If health care passes with the public option.....

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I missed this in my last poll. Unfortunately this IS a partisan issue as the Republicans voted that Congress should be on the same plan as all other Americans and the Democrats voted against it.

My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

To me, the exception to this would be for our military, they should have the best that we can give them because they give us their best and pay the price for all of us to have our freedom.

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I've always thought that Congress should have the same as 'average Americans' do - no exclusive healthcare plans, no exclusive retirement.

Of course, I've always thought we needed term limits and clean bills, too.

Mike
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I missed this in my last poll. Unfortunately this IS a partisan issue as the Republicans voted that Congress should be on the same plan as all other Americans and the Democrats voted against it.

My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

To me, the exception to this would be for our military, they should have the best that we can give them because they give us their best and pay the price for all of us to have our freedom.

So you want socialism or communism imposed? Shall we take other millionaires sign up too? This is extremely contradictory for you to want upper-class people to have to submit to sameness. I realize you're posturing, but literally speaking you're petitioning for socialism to communism somewhere.

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I want my employees that are there to serve me and every other American to have what we have.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

The public option is there for everybody, the private option is there for everybody.

if you want private, you get private, if you are lucky enough to have an employer that provides superior healthcare plan, then you are doing well.

There will still be all the options you have today, only you will not have to have a private health care plan in order to be covered.

It is called caring for your country and its countrymen.

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To me, the exception to this would be for our military, they should have the best that we can give them because they give us their best and pay the price for all of us to have our freedom.

Shouldn't 'everyone' be given the highest quality care available?

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Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

Your argument is based on the fallacy that the public government option will somehow be competitive with the private insurers, despite the fact that it derives a part of it's funding by levying taxes on those very same companies, in addition to having the ability to "regulate" them.

Let's say 1% of people that have private insurance switch to the "public option". The government now has to not only pay for that 1%'s health care, they have to deal with the reduced tax income from the insurance company they left. What do they do? Raise those taxes, which in turn causes the private insurer to raise their rates, sending another 1% of people to the public option. Should we talk about how the increased fees on the drug companies are going to raise insurers' costs also?

Since it eliminates the pre-existing condition issue, what motive is there to keep people from waiting until they get sick/injured to buy coverage? The tax you have to pay for not having it? So long as paying that tax is cheaper than the insurance, it's still cheaper not to get insurance.

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I want my employees that are there to serve me and every other American to have what we have.

So you want them to be guaranteed of basic HC at reasonable prices w/o conditions? Good, I see we're on the same page.

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Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

Your argument is based on the fallacy that the public government option will somehow be competitive with the private insurers, despite the fact that it derives a part of it's funding by levying taxes on those very same companies, in addition to having the ability to "regulate" them.

Let's say 1% of people that have private insurance switch to the "public option". The government now has to not only pay for that 1%'s health care, they have to deal with the reduced tax income from the insurance company they left. What do they do? Raise those taxes, which in turn causes the private insurer to raise their rates, sending another 1% of people to the public option. Should we talk about how the increased fees on the drug companies are going to raise insurers' costs also?

Since it eliminates the pre-existing condition issue, what motive is there to keep people from waiting until they get sick/injured to buy coverage? The tax you have to pay for not having it? So long as paying that tax is cheaper than the insurance, it's still cheaper not to get insurance.

Yep, the massses will likely revert to the unrestrictive gov plan and leave overpriced private plans that selectively cover and look for reasons to deny. Certain things in life shouldn't be profit-driven like HC. Other things should be provit-driven as in engineering and manufacturing; why is it some people can't see this?

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why is it some people can't see this?

Because our assumptions are based on logic and reality, rather than hope and utopian ideals.

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why is it some people can't see this?

Because our assumptions are based on logic and reality, rather than hope and utopian ideals.

So in order to decieve, you post a partial and don't, "..." it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.

I wrote in full:

Certain things in life shouldn't be profit-driven like HC. Other things should be provit-driven as in engineering and manufacturing; why is it some people can't see this?

HC should not be profit-driven, manufacturing s/b; that was my point with a follow-up of wondering why some people can't see this. The rest of the world does, so the 2% of neo-con Americans must be right while the other 89% wrong. So who has ideals based upon utopia (everyone can afford barely regulated HC) and who's are not (HC must be guaranteed in some sort and regulated, esp if private)?

I see your MO is based upon grammatical dishonesty.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

As with everything else in DC the public option might start out small...

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Congress should be on the same _plans_ available to every american, one of which is the public option.

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Seriously flawed (misleading) poll choices - and I'm sure it was deliberate.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

As with everything else in DC the public option might start out small...

Like the military? I just don't hear ya bitchin about that.

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To me, the exception to this would be for our military, they should have the best that we can give them because they give us their best and pay the price for all of us to have our freedom.

To me, this would be wrong. EVERY American should have the best care we can give them, regardless of their social, economic, or military status. There are many other ways in which we can and should reward military service.

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To me, the exception to this would be for our military, they should have the best that we can give them because they give us their best and pay the price for all of us to have our freedom.

To me, this would be wrong. EVERY American should have the best care we can give them, regardless of their social, economic, or military status. There are many other ways in which we can and should reward military service.

You're such a Socialist, real Americans want everyone to have just what they can afford; can't afford, no get.

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Your argument is based on the fallacy that the public government option will somehow be competitive with the private insurers, despite the fact that it derives a part of it's funding by levying taxes on those very same companies, in addition to having the ability to "regulate" them.

It will be competitive pretty much on the same level as Medicare is: if your priority is price, you'll choose it; if your priority is quality or ability to keep your doctor (which is not a priority to me, for example) - you will not choose it as long as you can afford anything else.

The levied fundings are not going to be used to fund public options, they are going to be used to pay for the insurance credits (private or public) for those who cannot afford it. If you got different opinion, please quote the bill (please do not quote talk show hosts or fox "news" though).

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Let's say 1% of people that have private insurance switch to the "public option". The government now has to not only pay for that 1%'s health care, they have to deal with the reduced tax income from the insurance company they left. What do they do? Raise those taxes, which in turn causes the private insurer to raise their rates, sending another 1% of people to the public option. Should we talk about how the increased fees on the drug companies are going to raise insurers' costs also?

Obviously when your theory is based on wrong assumptions, you'll end up with invalid results.

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Since it eliminates the pre-existing condition issue, what motive is there to keep people from waiting until they get sick/injured to buy coverage? The tax you have to pay for not having it? So long as paying that tax is cheaper than the insurance, it's still cheaper not to get insurance.

It can be a little cheaper than cost of the cheapest insurance. Assuming this situation would only let one go to ER, and not to the doctors, lab or pharmacy, it doesn't look like too much savings to me. And getting sick may be too late to apply for coverage, as it will not be available overnight.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

As with everything else in DC the public option might start out small...

Like the military? I just don't hear ya bitchin about that.

I've never had a problem with a big military machine. I think it's one of the most basic things the Constitution provides for us.

Please don't dent the planet.

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My question is why should the people that we elect to serve US have something more that we can have ourselves?

Some people seem to INCORRECTLY assume that "public option" means the ONLY option. THIS IS FALSE, and therefore the poll is bogus as there is not a single option which "every other American" would use. There are and going to be multiple options, and people will choose between them depending on their priorities.

As with everything else in DC the public option might start out small...

Like the military? I just don't hear ya bitchin about that.

I've never had a problem with a big military machine. I think it's one of the most basic things the Constitution provides for us.

Right, you have no problem going trillions in debt for an overblown military, yet cry about 1T over a decade so all Americans can have HC. Guess why your party is sitting, watching real politicians?

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It will be competitive pretty much on the same level as Medicare is

How's it going to do that while saving money? How much does medicare save? Surely if politicians are able to accomplish cost savings with this plan they're capable of fixing medicare right? If so, then why haven't they?

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The levied fundings are not going to be used to fund public options, they are going to be used to pay for the insurance credits (private or public) for those who cannot afford it. If you got different opinion, please quote the bill (please do not quote talk show hosts or fox "news" though).

So they're going to take money from the insurance companies and give it back to the insurance companies? Assuming that involves no cost (which it doesn't), how does that save any money?

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Obviously when your theory is based on wrong assumptions, you'll end up with invalid results.

So you're agreeing with me? Do you think that because the bill says it will make healthcare cheaper that it's actually going to do that? Do you believe the Patriot Act was only going to be used to combat terrorism too?

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It can be a little cheaper than cost of the cheapest insurance.

Except it's not really cheaper, it's just subsidized. Costs stay the same or increase, the only difference is someone else is footing the bill.

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Right, you have no problem going trillions in debt for an overblown military, yet cry about 1T over a decade so all Americans can have HC. Guess why your party is sitting, watching real politicians?

Most of us already have ACCESS to HC. Getting in my pocket to subsidize 13% of the population doesn't work for me.

Paying my share for the job of securing our nation's interests...not a problem.

Please don't dent the planet.

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How's it going to do that while saving money? How much does medicare save? Surely if politicians are able to accomplish cost savings with this plan they're capable of fixing medicare right? If so, then why haven't they?

This has been discussed already.
Scroll down, there are several posts about it.

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So they're going to take money from the insurance companies and give it back to the insurance companies? Assuming that involves no cost (which it doesn't), how does that save any money?

also discussed.

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So you're agreeing with me?

No. So far you just provided a bunch of opinions (and not even your own), and no facts to support them.

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Do you think that because the bill says it will make healthcare cheaper that it's actually going to do that?

Yes, that's my opinion based on reading the actual bills. This is likely because I do not watch talk shows (I do not watch TV at all), and therefore have a luxury of having my own opinion which I can stand.

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Right, you have no problem going trillions in debt for an overblown military, yet cry about 1T over a decade so all Americans can have HC. Guess why your party is sitting, watching real politicians?

Most of us already have ACCESS to HC. Getting in my pocket to subsidize 13% of the population doesn't work for me.

Paying my share for the job of securing our nation's interests...not a problem.

Oh, so exactly who is attacking us? Who is threatening us? I see, no one.

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Scroll down, there are several posts about it.

If politicians are capable of providing health care at a reduced cost, why haven't they fixed medicare at some point in the last 44 years?

It's a simple question.

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No. So far you just provided a bunch of opinions (and not even your own), and no facts to support them.

That's quite an assumption you're making about my opinions not being my own. If they're not mine, then do you care to tell me who's opinion it is?

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Yes, that's my opinion based on reading the actual bills. This is likely because I do not watch talk shows (I do not watch TV at all), and therefore have a luxury of having my own opinion which I can stand.

Then in my opinion you're quite gullible.

Where did talk shows come into this? If you're implying that I watch TV, much less talk shows, you're quite wrong.