airdvr 210 #76 November 23, 2009 http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Didn't spend all day going over it but I don't see anything in there about healthcare.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #77 November 23, 2009 Quotehttp://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Didn't spend all day going over it but I don't see anything in there about healthcare. Kallend put something up a while ago about health care in that declaration of human rights but I never read anything obout having someone else pay for that health care. What I thought was kinda funny was artricle 20 #2 Article 20. •(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. •(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association. all those lefties out there crying about how we should be looking at this for making health care mandatory and defending the unions at the same time in other threads when it clearly states that nobody may be made to belong to an association. so I guess if we are looking to this declaration of human rights for guidence anyone that has to pay union dues but doesn't want to be in the union can just stop paying that dues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 November 23, 2009 Quote I agreee, throw it all out and give tax cuts to the rich; they'll take care of the poor. That has worked flawlessly in the past . BTW, my new employer has just laid off 80% of its direct employees and hired them all back as contractors w/o any benefits. This is Mike's dream vision for America Ah, there's another snippet for when Lucky whines about 'being attacked'....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Really? Where do you get it from when the doctor quits, then? Oh, like the doctors do in all or any of the Socialized countries? There's a REASON why there's more deaths at the end of year in socmed countries...I'll let YOU try to figure it out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 November 23, 2009 QuotePrivacy isn't a right in the rag you call the US Const, yet the living Const has it as a right as with Katz v Ohio and others, so I'll go with the living COnst, thank you. Find me the word, "privacy" in the US Const. Find me the word 'healthcare' in the US Const.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 November 23, 2009 Quote THERE IS NO COMPULSORY PARTICIPATION FOR ANYONE. You must have missed the parts of the bill with the fines/penalty taxes, then. Quote Quit listening to Limbaugh so much Quit reading puf-n-blow so much.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #82 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... *Edit to add sarc tag* Think of all the senior citizens who rely entirely on Medicare/Medicaid for their healthcare. Where do you think most of them would be without it? (Note that's "would" be, not "should") Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... *Edit to add sarc tag* Think of all the senior citizens who rely entirely on Medicare/Medicaid for their healthcare. Where do you think most of them would be without it? (Note that's "would" be, not "should") Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Blues, Dave I'm sure that pulling half a trillion MORE out of it for Obamacare isn't going to help things any.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #84 November 23, 2009 Quote Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Using that line of thinking we should bring back bellybands and blast handles. Think of how affordable the rigs would be.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Using that line of thinking we should bring back bellybands and blast handles. Think of how affordable the rigs would be. Bellybands??? I have heard them called belly "warts" but not bands I even have a 100 jumps using (but never deploying) them"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #86 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Using that line of thinking we should bring back bellybands and blast handles. Think of how affordable the rigs would be. Bellybands??? I have heard them called belly "warts" but not bands I even have a 100 jumps using (but never deploying) them Ahh Grasshopper. Bellybands were the great rigging innovation of the late 70's early 80's.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #87 November 23, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Using that line of thinking we should bring back bellybands and blast handles. Think of how affordable the rigs would be. Bellybands??? I have heard them called belly "warts" but not bands I even have a 100 jumps using (but never deploying) them Ahh Grasshopper. Bellybands were the great rigging innovation of the late 70's early 80's. Ok, what is it? Never heard of it and I jumped then!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #88 November 24, 2009 Belly Wart.... Reserve mounted on the front. Belly Band... A strap that runs across the front that holds the pouch that the pilot chute is in."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #89 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... *Edit to add sarc tag* Think of all the senior citizens who rely entirely on Medicare/Medicaid for their healthcare. Where do you think most of them would be without it? (Note that's "would" be, not "should") Bad coverage is still better than no coverage at all. Blues, Dave I'm sure that pulling half a trillion MORE out of it for Obamacare isn't going to help things any. So, does anyone think we will see more of the "Landrieu Syndrome" pass through anymore of the Senate Democrats? You know the symptoms, Senators not voting for the health care bill hoping to get a huge payout out of the deal, just like the Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu (D). Right now I am disgusted with congress. Landrieu got $300 Million. I wonder how much more will get shelled out to pass health care. Is the CBO taking into account these bribes for the total cost?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #90 November 24, 2009 Quote Belly Wart.... Reserve mounted on the front. Belly Band... A strap that runs across the front that holds the pouch that the pilot chute is in. Ok, never heard of that I had two kinds of belly reserves. One where I was taught to pull the canopy out and throw it in the direction of a spinning mal and one where I cut away (shot and a halfs) and the reserve has a pilot chute with the kicker plate Live and learn Glad ALL of those systems are history"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #91 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Belly Wart.... Reserve mounted on the front. Belly Band... A strap that runs across the front that holds the pouch that the pilot chute is in. Ok, never heard of that I had two kinds of belly reserves. One where I was taught to pull the canopy out and throw it in the direction of a spinning mal and one where I cut away (shot and a halfs) and the reserve has a pilot chute with the kicker plate Live and learn Glad ALL of those systems are history I have a few rigs with Belly bands still on there although I have moved the pilot chute to a BOC on all of those old Wonderhogs. And I just jumped my OD Green Paracommander MKII with the 26' lopo in the belly wart ( chest mounted reserve) a couple years ago. I have half a dozen of those rigs as well... PC and Papillion.. and older sporterized c-9 and T-10. More people should jump them from time to time to appreciate how much the sport has progressed in our lifetimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #92 November 24, 2009 QuoteI had two kinds of belly reserves. Both would be called belly warts. A Belly Band had the MAIN PC routed to a pouch over your stomach. Sorry, I should have stated the main PC. Picture a tandem harness with the belly strap having a pouch for the main PC and the bridle routed to the main."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #93 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Belly Wart.... Reserve mounted on the front. Belly Band... A strap that runs across the front that holds the pouch that the pilot chute is in. Ok, never heard of that I had two kinds of belly reserves. One where I was taught to pull the canopy out and throw it in the direction of a spinning mal and one where I cut away (shot and a halfs) and the reserve has a pilot chute with the kicker plate Live and learn Glad ALL of those systems are history I have a few rigs with Belly bands still on there although I have moved the pilot chute to a BOC on all of those old Wonderhogs. And I just jumped my OD Green Paracommander MKII with the 26' lopo in the belly wart ( chest mounted reserve) a couple years ago. I have half a dozen of those rigs as well... PC and Papillion.. and older sporterized c-9 and T-10. More people should jump them from time to time to appreciate how much the sport has progressed in our lifetimes. Owned and jumped most of those Sometimes the good old days are better left that way"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #94 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote I had two kinds of belly reserves. Both would be called belly warts. A Belly Band had the MAIN PC routed to a pouch over your stomach. Sorry, I should have stated the main PC. Picture a tandem harness with the belly strap having a pouch for the main PC and the bridle routed to the main. Sorry, I had an ideas that is what you meant, I just posted past it. My bad In any event, glad all those are gone"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #95 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Says who? The US Constitution? Mother Nature? You're daft. It's a self-evident truth. It's covered in the ninth amendment. It's also covered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the US has agreed to. I think it says you have the right to health care, doesn't say anything about someone else paying for it. This DOES: "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #96 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Says who? The US Constitution? Mother Nature? You're daft. It's a self-evident truth. It's covered in the ninth amendment. It's also covered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the US has agreed to. I think it says you have the right to health care, doesn't say anything about someone else paying for it. This DOES: "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" It does not have the power to force you or I to buy something and if we do not penalize us for not doing so"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #97 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Says who? The US Constitution? Mother Nature? You're daft. It's a self-evident truth. It's covered in the ninth amendment. It's also covered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the US has agreed to. I think it says you have the right to health care, doesn't say anything about someone else paying for it. This DOES: "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" That doesn't say a damn word about me having to BUY anything. Nice try, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #98 November 24, 2009 QuoteQuotePrivacy isn't a right in the rag you call the US Const, yet the living Const has it as a right as with Katz v Ohio and others, so I'll go with the living COnst, thank you. Find me the word, "privacy" in the US Const. Find me the word 'healthcare' in the US Const. It doesn't have to be in there: "Article the eleventh [Amendment IX] The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #99 November 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotePrivacy isn't a right in the rag you call the US Const, yet the living Const has it as a right as with Katz v Ohio and others, so I'll go with the living COnst, thank you. Find me the word, "privacy" in the US Const. Find me the word 'healthcare' in the US Const. It doesn't have to be in there: "Article the eleventh [Amendment IX] The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Sweet - then I have the right to NOT have to buy Obamacare.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #100 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Says who? The US Constitution? Mother Nature? You're daft. It's a self-evident truth. It's covered in the ninth amendment. It's also covered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the US has agreed to. I think it says you have the right to health care, doesn't say anything about someone else paying for it. This DOES: "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" That doesn't say a damn word about me having to BUY anything. Nice try, though. We have signed on to UDHR and Section 8. of our Constiution allows congress to make you pay for someone else's healthcare by virtue of the fact that the good healthof it's citizens is directly connected to the General Welfare of the United States. You have a problem with the Congress making you BUY something? I have a problem with that too. The bill needs to be amended to open up Medicare to everyone instead of making anyone BUY insurance from private insurers. After the Senate Bill passes I hope they will be able to improve upon it once it goes into conference. This isn't over yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
