airdvr 210 #1 November 21, 2009 Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun beginsPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #2 November 21, 2009 They are such idiots Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 November 21, 2009 This only allows the debate to begin, which I am in favor of. As much as I'm opposed to this whole thing, it needs to be debated. Of course, I won't cry if a filibuster is successful in blocking a vote on the measure.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 November 21, 2009 It will most definitely be entertaining to hear the rationale...on both sides. I get the feeling, as the debate forces transparancey many might not like what they see.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 November 21, 2009 So, we've got a Senator from a strongly Catholic constituency agreeing to open debate on a bill that will put abortion funding back into the healthcare bill. Wonder what the quid pro quo was...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #6 November 21, 2009 QuoteSo, we've got a Senator from a strongly Catholic constituency agreeing to open debate on a bill that will put abortion funding back into the healthcare bill. Wonder what the quid pro quo was... Oh, You must be talking about the "Louisiana Purchase". They are buying votes now. Anything to make it happen. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #7 November 21, 2009 Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... *Edit to add sarc tag*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 November 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo, we've got a Senator from a strongly Catholic constituency agreeing to open debate on a bill that will put abortion funding back into the healthcare bill. Wonder what the quid pro quo was... Oh, You must be talking about the "Louisiana Purchase". They are buying votes now. Anything to make it happen. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html Hadn't heard of that before now...that's fucked up. Unsurprising, but still fucked up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #10 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... Can't argue with that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Sen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins CHEER! This will be great. One small step closer to government run health care. Yeah, because they've done SUCH a great job with Medicaid/Medicare... Can't argue with that! I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #12 November 21, 2009 Quote I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement... Sorry to disappoint youSo many people would be far worse off if we didn't have Medicare and Medicaid now. Sure it can be made better. You should be helping YOUR government to improve it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement... Sorry to disappoint youSo many people would be far worse off if we didn't have Medicare and Medicaid now. Sure it can be made better. You should be helping YOUR government to improve it. Sounds like you need to do some research and quit letting emotion make your decisions. Medicaid/Medicare is that 'broken, bankrupted system' that you keep hearing Congress talk about. The healthcare bill fiasco strips even MORE money out of Medicare. Y'know, when Pelosi was talking about 'taking care of senior citizens', I thought she meant HELPING them....so much for THAT idea!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #14 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement... Sorry to disappoint youSo many people would be far worse off if we didn't have Medicare and Medicaid now. Sure it can be made better. You should be helping YOUR government to improve it. Sounds like you need to do some research and quit letting emotion make your decisions. Medicaid/Medicare is that 'broken, bankrupted system' that you keep hearing Congress talk about. The healthcare bill fiasco strips even MORE money out of Medicare. Y'know, when Pelosi was talking about 'taking care of senior citizens', I thought she meant HELPING them....so much for THAT idea! Thank you for the advice. We do need to improve and fund Medicaid and Medicare and make them robust and open them up to ALL americans. Passing health care reform with some kind of public option is the first step. Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement... Sorry to disappoint youSo many people would be far worse off if we didn't have Medicare and Medicaid now. Sure it can be made better. You should be helping YOUR government to improve it. Sounds like you need to do some research and quit letting emotion make your decisions. Medicaid/Medicare is that 'broken, bankrupted system' that you keep hearing Congress talk about. The healthcare bill fiasco strips even MORE money out of Medicare. Y'know, when Pelosi was talking about 'taking care of senior citizens', I thought she meant HELPING them....so much for THAT idea! Thank you for the advice. We do need to improve and fund Medicaid and Medicare and make them robust and open them up to ALL americans. Passing health care reform with some kind of public option is the first step. Too bad the healthcare bill doesn't have that. Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Really? Where do you get it from when the doctor quits, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #16 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm REALLY hoping that you're agreeing with the sarcasm behind the statement... Sorry to disappoint youSo many people would be far worse off if we didn't have Medicare and Medicaid now. Sure it can be made better. You should be helping YOUR government to improve it. Sounds like you need to do some research and quit letting emotion make your decisions. Medicaid/Medicare is that 'broken, bankrupted system' that you keep hearing Congress talk about. The healthcare bill fiasco strips even MORE money out of Medicare. Y'know, when Pelosi was talking about 'taking care of senior citizens', I thought she meant HELPING them....so much for THAT idea! Thank you for the advice. We do need to improve and fund Medicaid and Medicare and make them robust and open them up to ALL americans. Passing health care reform with some kind of public option is the first step. Too bad the healthcare bill doesn't have that. Quote Basic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Really? Where do you get it from when the doctor quits, then? Is your church non-profit? Did the pastor quit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 November 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteBasic health care is a universal right, not a commodiity to be sold for profit. Really? Where do you get it from when the doctor quits, then? Is your church non-profit? Did the pastor quit? ???Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 November 22, 2009 QuoteSen. Lincoln's Support for Health Care Debate Gives Dems 60 Votes http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ And the fun begins What I can't figure out is why, if the "conservative" position is so strong, why 39 members wouldn't want to talk about that openly and on the record in the Senate? What does not talking about the subject accomplish? You'd think that if they really had a strong argument, they'd be begging to have it openly debated before being voted on.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 November 22, 2009 Why give the Dems a chance to pull another 'Saturday Night Special' vote, instead of letting it die in committee?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 November 22, 2009 QuoteWhy give the Dems a chance to pull another 'Saturday Night Special' vote, instead of letting it die in committee? So, wait . . . you actually think it's more "honorable" for people to sit on their hands and stubbornly let a bill die than to talk about it and force a vote? Really?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #21 November 22, 2009 QuoteSo, we've got a Senator from a strongly Catholic constituency agreeing to open debate on a bill that will put abortion funding back into the healthcare bill. Wonder what the quid pro quo was... How do you spell "Louisiana". The answer seems to be: "one of the 50 States or the District of Columbia, for which, at any time during the preceding 7 fiscal years, the President has declared a major disaster under section 401 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act and determined as a result of such disaster that every county or parish in the State warrant individual and public assistance or public assistance from the Federal Government under such Act and for which— ‘‘(A) in the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5, by at least 3 percentage points; and ‘‘(B) in the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection by at least 3 percentage points." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 November 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy give the Dems a chance to pull another 'Saturday Night Special' vote, instead of letting it die in committee? So, wait . . . you actually think it's more "honorable" for people to sit on their hands and stubbornly let a bill die than to talk about it and force a vote? Really? I don't recall saying anything about that in my post, so how about you answer what I actually WROTE instead of trying to put words in my mouth? However, since you mention the word 'honorable'...what was so honorable about a Saturday night vote on a HUGE bill that would impact every person in America? What's so honorable about breaking a promise to have the bill online for 72 hours before voting on it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 November 22, 2009 QuoteHowever, since you mention the word 'honorable'...what was so honorable about a Saturday night vote on a HUGE bill that would impact every person in America? It certainly wasn't any sort of "surprise" that caught the minority members out of town. They were all present to vote and had been in the building for the vast majority of the day. It wasn't a surprise, it was non-exempt overtime. I sort of expect people in management positions to have to do that every once in awhile when important things are happening. So they missed the cold open on SNL? Boo-freekin'-hoo. As a person that has to work for a living and frequently does so on short notice at 3 am, I have absolutely no sympathy for them. QuoteWhat's so honorable about breaking a promise to have the bill online for 72 hours before voting on it? I'm sorry, who promised that?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 November 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteHowever, since you mention the word 'honorable'...what was so honorable about a Saturday night vote on a HUGE bill that would impact every person in America? It certainly wasn't any sort of "surprise" that caught the minority members out of town. They were all present to vote and had been in the building for the vast majority of the day. It wasn't a surprise, it was non-exempt overtime. I sort of expect people in management positions to have to do that every once in awhile. QuoteWhat's so honorable about breaking a promise to have the bill online for 72 hours before voting on it? I'm sorry, who promised that? Pelosi, several times. Obama promised 5 days during the campaign, as I recall (those pesky stimulus bills exempted, of course). In fact, there's a cspan clip floating around from 2005 when Pelosi was screaming about the Republicans not giving people time to read the bills and what an outrage it was ... guess that's not quite as important now, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 November 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy give the Dems a chance to pull another 'Saturday Night Special' vote, instead of letting it die in committee? So, wait . . . you actually think it's more "honorable" for people to sit on their hands and stubbornly let a bill die than to talk about it and force a vote? Legislators use parliamentary and procedural devices to their advantage all the time to try to prevail in legislative battles. It simply is part of the process. One's approval of or outrage at this, on a case by case basis, usually depends on whose ox is getting gored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
