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There are a few people on these forums that know what I am talking about and many of the rest will not be able to cope with what needs to be done.
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Sure. You and the 2 Big White Rabbits. The Mighty Three.
The poor defenseless rest will perish.
gasp gasp gasp ...dudeist skydiver # 3105
QuoteQuoteObama is a darker version of LBJ.
Rejecting the recommendations of his top military experts reeks of his lack of respect and lack of experience in thse matters.
The 'top military experts' have been at this since 2001. At what point do they review the lessons learned by the Soviets about indefinite fighting in this place? He's right to question them hard and long before sending tens of thousands more there.
Gotta love the way politics works. We've got a lawyer dictating military strategy, union bosses running the department of labor, drunks making healthcare policies, tax cheats running the treasury, and adulterers making laws about gay marriage.
Do you really expect the 'top military experts' to consider the economic aspects of a continued and drawn-out war when congress won't even do it?
Andy9o8 2
QuoteGotta love the way politics works. We've got a lawyer dictating military strategy,
Like it or not, the American military is and always has been under the control of the civilian Executive branch; the President is the Commander in Chief of the military; there is no legal or Constitutional requirement that the President be a military veteran; and 26 of the 43 presidents (Cleveland had 2 non-consecutive presidencies) - or 60% - are or were lawyers. Don't like that? Petition Congress to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
Quoteunion bosses running the department of labor
And corporate bosses run the Department of Commerce and the Federal Reserve. Seems logical.
Quotedrunks making healthcare policies
Drunks need plenty of health care, and they know how to get it. Logical.
Quotetax cheats running the treasury
Expertise. Logical. (Google: "it takes a thief".)
Quoteand adulterers making laws about gay marriage.
See, "Treasury".
QuoteDo you really expect the 'top military experts' to consider the economic aspects of a continued and drawn-out war when congress won't even do it?
Of course. Any top General or Admiral who doesn't consider the economics is a fool.
billvon 3,116
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>We've got a lawyer dictating military strategy, union bosses running the
>department of labor, drunks making healthcare policies, tax cheats
>running the treasury, and adulterers making laws about gay marriage.
If only we had accomplished Internet experts to make all those decisions, the world would be a better place.
>department of labor, drunks making healthcare policies, tax cheats
>running the treasury, and adulterers making laws about gay marriage.
If only we had accomplished Internet experts to make all those decisions, the world would be a better place.
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Do you really expect the 'top military experts' to consider the economic aspects of a continued and drawn-out war when congress won't even do it?
I'm not even thinking about the economical aspects. Just the large number of soldiers lost with no real prospects for turning the corner. Just like the Russians found in the early 80s.
Krip 2
Hi WS
I support our troops and their families.
I'm sorry about the soldiers that lost their lives in Iraq/Afghan, getting more of our troops killed isn't going to add honor to those that have already fallen.
I do not support the war in afghan. The afghans have a army let them handle it.
I support our troops and their families.
I'm sorry about the soldiers that lost their lives in Iraq/Afghan, getting more of our troops killed isn't going to add honor to those that have already fallen.
I do not support the war in afghan. The afghans have a army let them handle it.
One Jump Wonder
Gawain 0
QuoteI disagree that waiting to make a decision is turning his back on those in theater. It's not like those in theater are not getting the same logistical and command support they got before.
If you're worried about morale, then the people doing the most damage to morale are the pundits and Republicans who are trying to convince everyone that Obama hates the troops. That shit is inappropriate at best.
I'm not talking about morale. During the past four months that this decision has been in "deliberation", units preparing to re-deply could have been extended, units preparing to deploy could have accelerated their movement, logistical in effect would be enhanced.
None of this has been done. A commander put in place by the President to assess the situation, informs the President that more assets are needed. Significantly more assets, 60,000 troops is roughly three whole divisions. This wasn't a tactical assessment.
The military can be a lumbering inefficient body, but when things need to move, they can move fast. A commander's assessment estimates less than a year to stem the tide. President Obama has now used 33% of that time to "reflect".
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Don't you have a national socialist meeting to conduct?
Now run along so you won't be late.
Now run along so you won't be late.
QuoteDon't you have a national socialist meeting to conduct?
Now run along so you won't be late.
It's just too far for a hard working banker.
http://www.nsm88.org/
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Bank tellers are not so important, you won't be missed.
fossg 0
It seems to me that Obama is cruising down the Jimmy Carter highway blissfuly unaware..
DanG 1
I guess I just don't see why any of that will have changed. There are always units preparing the deploy/redeploy. There was nothing magical about the day McChrystal made his recommendations.
Again, how is making an informed decision turning his back on those in theater?
- Dan G
Again, how is making an informed decision turning his back on those in theater?
- Dan G
Gawain 0
QuoteI guess I just don't see why any of that will have changed. There are always units preparing the deploy/redeploy. There was nothing magical about the day McChrystal made his recommendations.
Again, how is making an informed decision turning his back on those in theater?
It doesn't take four months to make an informed decision.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
rhys 0
QuoteRejecting the recommendations of his top military experts reeks of his lack of respect and lack of experience in thse matters.
I disagree, it shows he is standing by his commitment to 'change'.
It shows great leadership and that he is being rational and tactical whilst improving the foreign opinion of the US miltary.
The US's tendency to go in a 'schmoke em out' without thought in the past, is what has created more long term problems than it has solved.
If the republicans were in, lockheed martin and other such entities would be rubbing thier hands together.
Obama really does 'seem' to be a man of his word. But more time is needed to know for sure.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
Gawain 0
QuoteQuoteRejecting the recommendations of his top military experts reeks of his lack of respect and lack of experience in thse matters.
It shows great leadership and that he is being rational and tactical whilst improving the foreign opinion of the US miltary.
Based on those I've met that serve with foreign military, opinion of the US military is just fine, where it matters.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
rhys 0
QuoteUnless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, I don't see anyone being satisfied with his decision -- if he adds more troops, the "right" will say, "Why did that have to take so long? How many lives did that cost?" If he takes a different path, the war opponents will say the exact same thing, adding to the list of broken promises by the way.
That is why it is important for him to make the decision that helps his long term goals.
he has inhereted this mess from warmongers that showed little respect for human life and US international relations.
it will take some time to work out the repercussions of each manoever. this seems to be where america has lacked in the past so it is abreath of fresh air to see a US presedent not look like a puppet of the arms manufacturers.
terrific!
it seems the dutch have had good progress there, my father is an ex green beret commando and has access to thier information. thay are much more covert about it.
Maybe the US military could take some lessons?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
Gawain 0
QuoteMaybe the US military could take some lessons?
Since they take direction from the politicians, to execute a political goal, I don't see that the military have a lesson to learn here.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Some points:
It's all about a better life. Define, in terms you and your force will understand, what a better life is for those you have come to help. And make it happen.
You don't have to kill a man to kill his courage. In COIN, you may only need to kill his resentment.
less is more. Do not rush to failure; a forced coalition solution will not last - one that recognises local concerns may last a lifetime.
Crime pays. Corruption and crime are a cancer to real progress. ID the criminal cultural norm and use it as a benchmark against which to drive crime down, bettering peoples lives. Now there's a fucking challenge...
Vietnam was lost in the living rooms of the USA not on the battlefields of SE Asia....
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, if you can walk with kings and not lose the common touch...It's not about rank. Listen to those who oppose the fight, those you are fighting and those who might just get you out of the fight. Academic or diplomatic credentials do not out weigh experience and common sense.
Doctrine must be continually adjusted, drawn from current operational reality.
And possibly the most important point; NATO must chose being either fully comitted to Afghanistan or just fuck off.
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'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteDon't you have a national socialist meeting to conduct?
Now run along so you won't be late.
Is that your version of a substantive post?
I am still waiting on your answers. If you have forgotten what the questions were, just scroll up in this thread.
Its okay, I have top secret clearance, Spectre himself signed for it.
The 'top military experts' have been at this since 2001. At what point do they review the lessons learned by the Soviets about indefinite fighting in this place? He's right to question them hard and long before sending tens of thousands more there.
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