kallend 2,147 #76 November 13, 2009 Quote>But you go ahead and keep blaming Bush. And you can blame Obama. Both of you will be happy and nothing will change. Without identifying the cause of a problem no solution is likely. Obama INHERITED the economic meltdown. The Blaming Obama is both silly and counter productive. Lehman Bros failure and resultant crash and bailouts did not occur on Obama's watch. GM'[s problems and initial bailout didn;t start on Obama's watch. The deficit was already projected at over $1T before Obama took office.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #77 November 13, 2009 QuoteIs it possible that a long discussion on Soviet military capabilities in the cold war belongs in its own thread? Yes sir, i could not agree more.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #78 November 13, 2009 I will decline to debate the point any longer. You seem to have a wanton knack for leading a thread off on tangents totally unrelated to the OP. If you want to know how luck was involved at Midway then you'll just have to give yourself a little history lesson. I won't address that here.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #79 November 13, 2009 QuoteWe now spend 8 times that of #2 China (not incl Iraq spending), how would cutting that in half not be prepared? Because you have a VERY over-simplistic view of military spending, that's why. An M16 costs several times the amount of an AK-47. Body armor. LBE. Better boots. HMMWVs. Deuces. 5-ks. Tanks. Brads. Strykers. You can't look at just plain numbers - you have to look at what's being purchased. Trim waste? Absolutely - but don't make the mistake of thinking that half the budget is waste just because someone else spends less. You also need to quit thinking that your OPINION is fact.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 November 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteIs it possible that a long discussion on Soviet military capabilities in the cold war belongs in its own thread? Sounds good to me, I'll start one. Is it actually going to have FACT in there, or is it just going to be more of your opinion?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 November 16, 2009 QuoteWell over one half of the total debt was incurred under just two administrations: Reagan and Bush II And you and he have both ignored the Carter years impact on the economy, the tech boom and BUST under Clinton and the incredible jump in deficit spending so far under Obama."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #82 November 16, 2009 QuoteWithout identifying the cause of a problem no solution is likely. And just blindly blaming it on the other party is also a waste of time.... That does not stop you or Lucky from doing it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #83 November 16, 2009 Quote Quote Well over one half of the total debt was incurred under just two administrations: Reagan and Bush II And you and he have both ignored the Carter years impact on the economy, the tech boom and BUST under Clinton and the incredible jump in deficit spending so far under Obama. The Carter years, we were actually working at that time. What I remember Was A runaway houseing mkt, followed by hyper inflation rapidly rising interest rates (to slow down consumption and inflation). Then he got blamed for the failed iran hostage rescue. Obamo this obamo that. The cards were already dealt when he took office. IMO when a new president takes office he doesn't get to start the game over he has to finish the game that was started by the previous administration BTW did you hear Obama is getting divorcedOne Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #84 November 16, 2009 Quote IMO when a new president takes office he doesn't get to start the game over he has to finish the game that was started by the previous administration So you're saying it's George Washington's fault? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #85 November 16, 2009 QuoteThe Carter years, we were actually working at that time. What I remember Was A runaway houseing mkt, followed by hyper inflation rapidly rising interest rates. That is how you would define the Carter years as "actually working"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
