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Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMost welfare recipient's already have access to gov't paid HC so it's a moot point.
So, who are these folks who can't get HC?
There are people who work (working poor) who are above the threshold for welfare, yet can't even come close to HC. The you have people with pre-existing, people like me who haven't had HC ins for years and would probably not be able to get it oe get affordable coverage due to the ins co's knowing people like me have deferred ins and would be a big risk. People like my GF who can't retire after working for 29 years at the same plce, she has pre-existings that prohibit her to retire and still have ins.
The list goes on, but I guess you are comfortable to have a corporation decide who get care and how much it will cost. I feelbetter the gov making that decision.
I certanly don't feel better having the gov make those choices for me.![]()
So corporations who make those decisions and make you believe you are making them is best then?
Corps have to answer to the market, their employees and their customers. Our gov is showing that it will (if we let it) answer to no one.
So to answer your question? I will take dealing with a corp over the gov any time
Corps don't have to answer to shit, this is why they've been able to decline people for a myriad of reasons, exclude people seeking insurance if they have pre-existing conditions, etc. That's ridiculous to say corps have to answer to anyone. Hell, your boys 700B bank bailout had no provisions for control, so AIG partied it up and then gave out billions in bonuses. Corps have to answer......good one.
QuoteSo to answer your question? I will take dealing with a corp over the gov any time
Good, you'll have to find anothe rplace to do it after Obama make steh US Socialist

Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteBinary Rush.
Ah, yes, because your "if you're against the healthcare bill you MUST be a Republican" offers SUCH a wide range of choices.
Get over yourself.
Or a Libertarian....sorry, same thing. Binary = 1 way or the other; no grey.
Lucky... 0
QuoteIf you knew about economics, you would understand that competition creates lower prices.
Then explain hyper-inflation under your favorite president.
QuoteIf you had paid attention to ANY of the plans suggested by anyone that didn't have a "D" attached to their name, you would see that it was more than just that... but you paid ZERO attention to anyone that was not from your party of choice.
And you can't post anything because it's diarhea:
- Open broders for buying policies
- Nothing
- Nothing
- Etc
Right, so go post what the party of compassion has in line for the underclass garbage, as they would say it.
QuoteFunny how you bitch at the R's for threatening to do it now, but didn't bitch about when the D's made the same threats.....
***Your hypocrisy is showing.
No, our hypocrisy is showing. This is a 2-way street.
QuoteThey did, it was called get a job that values your contribution enough to either supply it, or pays you enough to pay for it on your own.
You want to spend your money on the things you WANT so you can play and have your toys and have others pay for the things you don't want to be bothered to pay for, but bitch about not having.
The D's are promising that you can continue to live a lifestyle that exempts you from responsibility.... you are your ilk just eat that up with no regard for the damage it will do to the whole.
"as long as I get mine and someone else pays" is your motto.
The point was: Again, if the R's had a solution, they could have proposed it and we wouldn't be in this so-called mess.
Lucky... 0
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Eitehr show me the roadmap between HC and your pocket or quit the rhetoric.That's all you ever write.... you even spit out the Obama "status quo" line above. What a joke
It's a valid question. You complain about taxes being hiked to pay for HC, I'm asking how. Just because you don't like the question and are unable to answer it doesn't mean it isn't valid.
QuoteWho hasn't served and worked? You're beginning to sound like a freeloader.Quote
Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life. I want all Americans to have guaranteed HC.
And you sound like a typical, garden variety neo-con. So I guess all of W.E., Canada, Australia and the free world are a bunch of free loaders, right?
Lucky... 0
QuoteYou just ignore what doesn't agree with you
You just don't post anything but hatred.
Quotethe US government does not have a magic money machine
It has since before the inception of the US; we were established as a debtor nation. We have ALWAYS carried a debt. Jackson got us down to almost 0, but the debt accumulated fact. Yes, we have a money pissing machine, you just don't mind when it pisses for your military.
QuoteIt all comes from us
Nah, just a revolving account. The interest will choke us. BTW, nothing more entertaining than to hear a Republican talk about how spending is gonna kill us.
QuoteIf you're as gifted an A&P as you are an economist I pray that you're part of the 3% that uses my competitors. I spend enough time looking at bs incident reports already.
Ah, so ya can't win an argument on its merit so you ad hominem: I disagree with his politics therefore he's a bad A&P. Brilliant deduction.
Lucky... 0
How come they have to wait? Some of the Canadians come down here and pay rather than die. "Served and worked", and now the world owes you a living? No neocon here, I just paid my way like you will.QuoteQuoteWho hasn't served and worked? You're beginning to sound like a freeloader.Quote
Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life. I want all Americans to have guaranteed HC.
And you sound like a typical, garden variety neo-con. So I guess all of W.E., Canada, Australia and the free world are a bunch of free loaders, right?
Oh, that's easy....it's the death squads

Some Canadians; right - the rich ones. They don't have private HC up there, so if you have money you come down here. You have more specialists in the US.
No one owes me a thing, I was one of the vets in the military rather than being coddeled by mommy and daddy - I have paid my dues. I want to keep paying my dues and taxes and want society to take care of all, nit just pander to teh rich. Of course you will say they don't, but the gov does. Sorry that may change a few shades, but is it's a relief, the US will still pander to the rich, even after 8 years of Obama.
QuoteHow come they have to wait? Some of the Canadians come down here and pay rather than die. "Served and worked", and now the world owes you a living? No neocon here, I just paid my way like you will.QuoteQuoteWho hasn't served and worked? You're beginning to sound like a freeloader.Quote
Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life. I want all Americans to have guaranteed HC.
And you sound like a typical, garden variety neo-con. So I guess all of W.E., Canada, Australia and the free world are a bunch of free loaders, right?
Oh, that's easy....it's the death squads

Some Canadians; right - the rich ones. They don't have private HC up there, so if you have money you come down here. You have more specialists in the US.
No one owes me a thing, I was one of the vets in the military rather than being coddeled by mommy and daddy - I have paid my dues. I want to keep paying my dues and taxes and want society to take care of all, nit just pander to teh rich. Of course you will say they don't, but the gov does. Sorry that may change a few shades, but is it's a relief, the US will still pander to the rich, even after 8 years of Obama. "I was one of the vets in the military rather than being coddled by mommy and daddy". Really, most of the ones I served with wanted to serve their country. Pay up , or Princess PeloUsi will take your temperature with her thumb (she's not a gentle person).
Ron 10
QuoteI'm an FAA A&P, IA, FCC GROL, PP. Have 25-30 years experience.
Too bad your skills didn't include riding in a dune buggy in Mexico while drunk.
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And you can't post anything because it's diarhea [SIC]:
I have posted so much data that you just ignore it all.... And at least I can spell.
QuoteRight, so go post what the party of compassion has in line for the underclass garbage, as they would say it.
Done so many times... But it boils down to our differences:
Ron: Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.
Lucky: Take the fisherman's hard work from him and give to those that are hungry, but don't want to work and risk smelling like fish to eat fish.
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No, our hypocrisy is showing. This is a 2-way street.
No, only you spout 100% rhetoric.
QuoteThe point was: Again, if the R's had a solution, they could have proposed it and we wouldn't be in this so-called mess.
They did, you ignored it like normal....
Again: "as long as I get mine and someone else pays" is your motto.
Well if they're overt, wear em or just keep hiding them.
The supporting evidence does. I may have fun with dialogue, but when it comes to hard arguments, the supporting data or evidence carries the weight.
OK.
Show where I state any of that other than saying I coiuld be an acft structural specialist/expert. You can't.
I'm an FAA A&P, IA, FCC GROL, PP. Have 25-30 years experience. I've read that before, maybe you weren't reading then when I wrote that. I can build anything aviation/structural. Fab parts from "O," make forming blocks, etc.
So sorry the HC Bill chaps yoru ass.
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