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And so it's all fucked up, your solution isssssssssssss: Allow for interstate purchasing of insurance. I acan't [SIC] afford it here, but I can afford it at a 10% discount via interstae [SIC] competition

If you knew about economics, you would understand that competition creates lower prices.

If you had paid attention to ANY of the plans suggested by anyone that didn't have a "D" attached to their name, you would see that it was more than just that... but you paid ZERO attention to anyone that was not from your party of choice.

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The R's chided the D's for threatening it in 2005 as dirty pool, the R's threatened to change the rules of judicial nomination, now the R's are threatening

Funny how you bitch at the R's for threatening to do it now, but didn't bitch about when the D's made the same threats.....

Your hypocrisy is showing.

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Again, if the R's had a solution, they could have proposed it and we wouldn't be in this so-called mess.

They did, it was called get a job that values your contribution enough to either supply it, or pays you enough to pay for it on your own.

You want to spend your money on the things you WANT so you can play and have your toys and have others pay for the things you don't want to be bothered to pay for, but bitch about not having.

The D's are promising that you can continue to live a lifestyle that exempts you from responsibility.... you are your ilk just eat that up with no regard for the damage it will do to the whole.

"as long as I get mine and someone else pays" is your motto.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Most welfare recipient's already have access to gov't paid HC so it's a moot point.

So, who are these folks who can't get HC?

There are people who work (working poor) who are above the threshold for welfare, yet can't even come close to HC. The you have people with pre-existing, people like me who haven't had HC ins for years and would probably not be able to get it oe get affordable coverage due to the ins co's knowing people like me have deferred ins and would be a big risk. People like my GF who can't retire after working for 29 years at the same plce, she has pre-existings that prohibit her to retire and still have ins.

The list goes on, but I guess you are comfortable to have a corporation decide who get care and how much it will cost. I feelbetter the gov making that decision.

I certanly don't feel better having the gov make those choices for me.

So corporations who make those decisions and make you believe you are making them is best then?

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Eitehr show me the roadmap between HC and your pocket or quit the rhetoric.


That's all you ever write.... you even spit out the Obama "status quo" line above. What a joke

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Yep, more like you want.

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Finance News



Pelosi Healthcare Bill Has Hidden Tax on Young

Monday, November 9, 2009 9:55 AM

By: Gene J. Koprowski

The under-30 crowd that clamored for Barack Obama last year needs to brace for a change they won’t believe in: The return of income tax “bracket creep,” according to The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page.

“Buried in Nancy Pelosi's health-care bill is a provision that will partially repeal tax indexing for inflation, meaning that as their earnings rise over a lifetime these youngsters can look forward to paying higher rates even if their income gains aren't real,” the editors write.

This is budget trickery at its worst: To raise money to make their plan appear as if it won't add to the federal deficit, House Democrats have intentionally not indexed the main tax feature of their plan: the $500,000 threshold for the 5.4-percentage-point income tax surcharge, and the tax on small businesses which don’t provide health insurance benefits.

“This is a sneaky way for politicians to pry more money out of workers every year without having to legislate tax increases,” write the editors.

The effects of failing to index compounds, generating a revenue windfall for government as time passes.

“Americans of a certain age have seen this movie before. In 1960, only 3 percent of tax filers paid a 30 percent or higher marginal tax rate. By 1980, after the inflation of the 1970s, the share was closer to 33 percent,” the editors write.

“These stealth tax increases were widely seen to be unjust. And in 1981 as part of the Reagan tax cuts, a bipartisan coalition voted to index the tax brackets for inflation.”

Overseas, the center-right coalition of German Chancellor Angela Merkel is taking the lessons of Reagan approach to economic stimulus, ending Germany’s “bracket creep,” as a way to boost the recovery there, reports Zeit Online.

1) There is no citation

2) The article has no reference as to how the author came up with via the language in the bill

3)http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200111/ai_n9015518/ - That should show us what a RW nut this guy is, just an editorial by another extremist. Shame on you Rush for not posting an actual source

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Funny how the R's always whine about fillibuster enactment; my how times change.

Funny how the D's are supporting breaking all the promises they made just a few years ago..... My how times change.

Funny how you don't list them.

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No I'm not in charge, I'm just watching the thing play out and become more like I want.

Of course it is. But, since you've already said that health insurance isn't enough of a priority for you to provide it for yourself, why should it be such a priority for me to provide it for you?

Tell ya what, you draw the connect betwen HC expenditures and tax collection and I'll tell ya whatever you want to hear. Hell, I could earn more than you and pay more in taxes, presently or in the future. Furthermore, it's abotu pre-existing conds and a myriad of other issues other than just public option.

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You just ignore what doesn't agree with you-the US government does not have a magic money machine, It all comes from us. If you're as gifted an A&P as you are an economist I pray that you're part of the 3% that uses my competitors. I spend enough time looking at bs incident reports already.

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I'm Ron and I think that typos affect the merit because, well, I just don't argue the substance of an issue.

If you knew about economics, you would understand that competition creates lower prices.

Oh, so when the gov competes with the ins co's via public option, that's what you're talking about? Ohhhhhhh, now I get it.

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If you had paid attention to ANY of the plans suggested by anyone that didn't have a "D" attached to their name, you would see that it was more than just that... but you paid ZERO attention to anyone that was not from your party of choice.

It was all very well rounded rheotoric, they never really posted line-by-line how they were going to ensure all people coverage and fix the problem. Post their ideas if you wish, but please spell them correctly because I'm [SICK] in love with proppper grammmeeer.

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Funny how you bitch at the R's for threatening to do it now, but didn't bitch about when the D's made the same threats.....

Your hypocrisy is showing.

Actually we're both showing our hypocrisy.

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They did, it was called get a job that values your contribution enough to either supply it, or pays you enough to pay for it on your own.

[insert Deliverance voice here] Pull yerself up by yer bootstraps and be a man, ya sissy. Get on out of that wheelchair, Nancyboy, I don't wanna hear yer cryin'.

To simplify the issue to that of getting a job when my GF has worked for 29 years at the same place but can't retire due to pre-existings, and many people with a myriad of other other issues is ridiculous.

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You want to spend your money on the things you WANT so you can play and have your toys and have others pay for the things you don't want to be bothered to pay for, but bitch about not having.

Tell me how your money goes to pay for teh HC bill. Are you a millonaire?

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The D's are promising that you can continue to live a lifestyle that exempts you from responsibility.... you are your ilk just eat that up with no regard for the damage it will do to the whole.

Considering over the last 29 years vitually all of the debt is attributable to the Repubs, where does this personal responsibility BS play in?

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"as long as I get mine and someone else pays" is your motto.

Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life. I want all Americans to have guaranteed HC.

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Eitehr show me the roadmap between HC and your pocket or quit the rhetoric.


That's all you ever write.... you even spit out the Obama "status quo" line above. What a joke

Show me the roadmap. You can't; one doesn't exist, it's just your cliche' - not outtta my pockerts.

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You just ignore what doesn't agree with you-the US government does not have a magic money machine, It all comes from us. If you're as gifted an A&P as you are an economist I pray that you're part of the 3% that uses my competitors. I spend enough time looking at bs incident reports already.

You have the sarcasm, the rhetoric an dteh borderline insults, just not teh roadmap between your taxes and my potential HC. Same with my taxes and your military.

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Eitehr show me the roadmap between HC and your pocket or quit the rhetoric.


That's all you ever write.... you even spit out the Obama "status quo" line above. What a joke

Show me the roadmap. You can't; one doesn't exist, it's just your cliche' - not outtta my pockerts.

I was talkiong about you accusing people of using rhetoric when that is all you ever do!

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Most welfare recipient's already have access to gov't paid HC so it's a moot point.

So, who are these folks who can't get HC?

I can think of a bunch that I know...basically anyone who works for employers that neither provide healthcare nor pay enough for their employees to purchase it privately (while still meeting the lowest tier of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs).

Blues,
Dave

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Funny how you don't list them.

It's funnier how you ignore them if it makes your party of choice look foolish. So you are claiming that the D's NEVER made a threat to filibuster?

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Tell ya what, you draw the connect betwen [SIC] HC expenditures and tax collection and I'll tell ya whatever you want to hear.

If you can't understand the simple concept of you have to pay for these programs.... I don't know how we could explain it any easier.

You see when you want to spend money, you should have enough to cover it or you run into a deficit. Deficits are considered bad.

If you want to increase spending for anything, you have to either cut spending in another area, or raise income to cover the expense. In the case of the Govt, income is equal to taxes.

This applies to any outlay of funds for ANY program, and it is simple finance.

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Oh, so when the gov competes with the ins co's via public option, that's what you're talking about? Ohhhhhhh, now I get it.

No you don't. That is a Got paid for program that competes directly with private programs. I am amazed you claim to not be able to see how a Govt backed program backed by tax dollars competing with private companies is anything near "competition".

Also, I am amazed that you ignore how poorly Govt run programs are doing.

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they never really posted line-by-line how they were going to ensure all people coverage and fix the problem.

BS, you never read them.

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To simplify the issue to that of getting a job when my GF has worked for 29 years at the same place but can't retire due to pre-existings, and many people with a myriad of other other issues is ridiculous.

She should have gotten a better job, or worked for a company that valued her enough to pay for her HC.

Your desire to make tax payers pay for the things you are too lazy to provide for yourself is the real issue here. You *could* pay for these things, but you *choose* to spend the money elsewhere and want others to pick up your slack.

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Tell me how your money goes to pay for teh [SIC] HC bill

Right now it does not, but since I pay taxes any additional expenditures will have to be covered. The longer we wait to pay for them, the more they will cost. It is called compounding interest, and I avoid it as much as possible in my personal life (I do not have a SINGLE thing on payments and do not carry a CC balance).

So, any additional expenditures will have to be covered. The only responsible way to do that is cut other programs, or raise taxes. You don't care what they do as long as you get what you want without having to work for it yourself.

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Considering over the last 29 years vitually [SIC] all of the debt is attributable to the Repubs, where does this personal responsibility BS play in?

1. Looking at the graphs that show debt, your comment is not backed up.

2. You think that only one party is responsible... That is just pure partisan BS.

3. Just because it HAS been done that way, does not mean it should just continue.

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Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life.

Then your labor should have been worth it.... It seems it was not.

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The list goes on, but I guess you are comfortable to have a corporation decide who get care and how much it will cost. I feelbetter [SIC] the gov making that decision.

You think the Govt did such a great job going into Iraq? You think the Govt did such a great job with the deficit? You think the Govt did such a great job with Social Security? You think the Govt did such a great job with education?

The benefit to a company making those choices is that if it fails, it will not take everyone down with it.

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but please spell them correctly because I'm [SICK] in love with proppper grammmeeer.

Your posts don't show that.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Binary Rush.

Ah, yes, because your "if you're against the healthcare bill you MUST be a Republican" offers SUCH a wide range of choices.

Get over yourself.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Be nice or the "Grim Pelosi" will come to see you.

She could give a shit less about any of us, she just likes to see her name on legislation, even if it is a piece of shit.

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Most welfare recipient's already have access to gov't paid HC so it's a moot point.

So, who are these folks who can't get HC?

I can think of a bunch that I know...basically anyone who works for employers that neither provide healthcare nor pay enough for their employees to purchase it privately (while still meeting the lowest tier of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs).

Blues,
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I agree that those people need help. The ones that truly want insurance but can't afford it. There's not 46 million of them out there though.

I also agree that something needs to be done about folks with pre-existings that get shut out of the system.

Helping those 2 groups and a couple of others I'm not thinking of right now won't and shouldn't cost 1 trillion dollars and require a 2,000 page document.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Most welfare recipient's already have access to gov't paid HC so it's a moot point.

So, who are these folks who can't get HC?

There are people who work (working poor) who are above the threshold for welfare, yet can't even come close to HC. The you have people with pre-existing, people like me who haven't had HC ins for years and would probably not be able to get it oe get affordable coverage due to the ins co's knowing people like me have deferred ins and would be a big risk. People like my GF who can't retire after working for 29 years at the same plce, she has pre-existings that prohibit her to retire and still have ins.

The list goes on, but I guess you are comfortable to have a corporation decide who get care and how much it will cost. I feelbetter the gov making that decision.

I certanly don't feel better having the gov make those choices for me.

So corporations who make those decisions and make you believe you are making them is best then?

Corps have to answer to the market, their employees and their customers. Our gov is showing that it will (if we let it) answer to no one.

So to answer your question? I will take dealing with a corp over the gov any time

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So to answer your question? I will take dealing with a corp over the gov any time

And boy, will we... since the healthcare bill turns all that shit over to... (drumroll).... the insurance companies

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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So to answer your question? I will take dealing with a corp over the gov any time

And boy, will we... since the healthcare bill turns all that shit over to... (drumroll).... the insurance companies

This is why the AARP is suppoting this. They are a making most of their money off of expesive supplimental policies

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Actually I want my country to collectively pay as I've collectively paid them by military service and labor all my life. I want all Americans to have guaranteed HC.

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You have the sarcasm, the rhetoric an dteh borderline insults,

Borderline my ass. Maybe you're just not perceptive enough. I just want to know why your opinion should carry weight. BillV's credentials are impeccable and I have to consider what he says even if I don't totally agree with him. Kallend is very intelligent and if he ever says something, I'll have to pay attention because he's got the chops. According to your post-you could have been a world class economist, or an aviation expert, or a multi-millionaire with insurance. You don't say you're actually anything so from info available to me you either have to be a huge bundle of wasted potential or full of shit-jury's out on which.

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Some of Whats coming if it gets past the Senate

Now I really want it to pass - just to see what would you post when it passes.

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Some of Whats coming if it gets past the Senate

Now I really want it to pass - just to see what would you post when it passes.

Now here is some great reasoning

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Now here is some great reasoning

I'm not going to spend any more time arguing with your copypasta, so that's all you will get.

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Now here is some great reasoning

I'm not going to spend any more time arguing with your copypasta, so that's all you will get.

Cause that's all you got. Easy to understand

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln