Seven shot dead at US army base in Texas

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Darius11

***Hmmm...
Would it not appear his intent was terrorism?
He seems to be admitting to that to me.

We are all terrorists buddy, we call ours heroes as they call there’s heroes.

Being more organized or having superior technology makes no difference. When you threaten and deliver violence because others do not comply that makes you a terrorist.

The U.S. us were the best at it, sometimes we just show up with our ships and point the big guns to get what we want, sometimes we drop trillions worth of bombs. It’s all the same all motivated by selfish need.

Oddly what most people in the west call or know as terrorist are people who are retaliating to decade’s worth of terrorism done by us.

Wow

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[sfzombie13 324]

wtf??? you think he's joking? just ask any of the losers, only the winners write the history books. had it not been for my dad, i'd have believed everything they told us about the indians, etc., etc.

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normiss

Hmmm...
Would it not appear his intent was terrorism?
He seems to be admitting to that to me.

Military person shooting military targets. Doesn't sound like terrorism to me. Treason and murder? Sure.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[JerryBaumchen 1,466]

Hi 13,

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only the winners write the history books.

Yup; when some of his generals told Hitler about the atrocities that he was committing, he commented that the winners write the history books.

He picked the wrong horse,

JerryBaumchen

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livendive

***Hmmm...
Would it not appear his intent was terrorism?
He seems to be admitting to that to me.

Military person shooting military targets. Doesn't sound like terrorism to me. Treason and murder? Sure.

Blues,
Dave

Funny thing to me is how he is basically saying he defected to enemy forces without openly renouncing his position in the Army. He then used that position to attack and kill US forces. His own opening statement in his court martial shows he believed it was enemy action in an ongoing military conflict. Doesn't that mean his victim should be considered combat casualties rather than victims of workplace violence?

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Kennedy

******Hmmm...
Would it not appear his intent was terrorism?
He seems to be admitting to that to me.

Military person shooting military targets. Doesn't sound like terrorism to me. Treason and murder? Sure.

Blues,
Dave

Funny thing to me is how he is basically saying he defected to enemy forces without openly renouncing his position in the Army. He then used that position to attack and kill US forces. His own opening statement in his court martial shows he believed it was enemy action in an ongoing military conflict. Doesn't that mean his victim should be considered combat casualties rather than victims of workplace violence?

Do you want to be the guy who admits that the enemy successfully attacked our military on our shores? As a lone actor, workplace violence is both technically accurate and less damaging to our reputation / encouraging to our enemies. Far better than most propaganda.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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livendive

***Funny thing to me is how he is basically saying he defected to enemy forces without openly renouncing his position in the Army. He then used that position to attack and kill US forces. His own opening statement in his court martial shows he believed it was enemy action in an ongoing military conflict. Doesn't that mean his victim should be considered combat casualties rather than victims of workplace violence?

Do you want to be the guy who admits that the enemy successfully attacked our military on our shores? As a lone actor, workplace violence is both technically accurate and less damaging to our reputation / encouraging to our enemies. Far better than most propaganda.

I disagree. I think it'd be better to live in the real world and have our leaders act accordingly. State what happened, identify and admit any failing or shortcomings, address and correct them, and improve future outcomes. Is that really ever a bad formula?

A doctor was commissioned as an officer. He either lied about his reason for signing up or he turned away from the flag and oath and turned towards an enemy movement. He didn't openly renounce his allegiance. He decided to attack anyone sharing the uniform. He killed and wounded dozens of soldiers. (did I miss any relevant points or misstate anything?)

Identify anywhere the system failed or should be improved. Did Hasan really tell someone in uniform that he was fantasizing about killing soldiers? Did he let on that he no longer respected the flag, country, or military (a la pvt Manning)? What kind of communications was he having with leaders of the enemy? Is there a systematic blindspot to identifying internal threats? Is there anything the military can fix about soldiers being unable to defend themselves on base? (that's a painful cost benefit analysis from the politician-litigator-liability standpoint)

Answers those, fix them, and have a better day next time.

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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[Darius11 12]

Any arguments to that assessment?


It is all about perspective buddy our bombs, we drop them because we want what we want. We do not do it to save the whales, or help kids or womans rights. We do it to get what we want.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Military person shooting military targets. Doesn't sound like terrorism to me

"The evidence will also show that I was on the wrong side. I then switched sides."

"We mujahedeen are trying to establish the perfect religion."

That makes is sound like he switched sides.... Ya know, since he said it and all

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workplace violence is both technically accurate and less damaging to our reputation

While also taking benefits away from those he attacked and killed.