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Yes, exactly why we need the gov to step in and create more jobs, if even by opening manufacturing facilities. Also, corps who base here for the tax benefit but send job ovewrseas need to be taxed HARD.

Right.

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You could offer alternative theories and delve into it, but no, I have no affidavit from God, so it must be BS.

Ah, so now I'm not only a Republican but also a Christian? Amazing.

Or perhaps just more of your usual BS, given that I'm an atheist who voted for Clinton, Kerry, and Obama. Even defective watches are right more often.

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if I went to a MRO (maint repair org)

They'd ask why an expert like yourself didn't know that a MRO commonly refers to Maintenance Repair and Overhaul. There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, Repair, Organization is more a system or software than a shop.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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I try to keep my replies short so you can follow along.

And you do so so you can keep a runnin along. Does anyone think you're not runnin? You just refuse to answer, yet you demand others' answer yours. Here's all this you ran from:

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I didn't write, "swell then draw". I wrote:

I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw.

You misquoted me, which is why you rarely post a quote from the person you're replying to; patently dishonest.

That was how I've always worded it, I posed it as swell and then draw to illustrate how a person could hypothetivcally characterize the action of a blind fastener, it just isn't ever used in the trade, but that even in your obscure answer that swell and draw could be somehow the process of a blind rivet with your guess, tat's even wrong because IF thatg language was used it would hypothetically be draw and swell.

I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. Look, dude, yiou fucked up, you know not what you talk about, you guessed and now you're trying ot run away. What do you think you ended the, as you called it, the 20 questions? Your lack of acft knowledge would have been further expanded.

And that's how you make your living in these arguments; semantics. I have been in aviation since age 17, really flying with my dad sicne age 5. I have 30 years acft exp not counting the very small breaks, 25 years if you take my resuem dates and add them up. 20 years have been in acft structures and sheetmetal, I will post a myriad of pics on photobucket of some projects I have done recently and am still doing 1. If you went to a shop referring to shooting a cherrymax as, "shoot and draw" or "draw and shoot" they would start to question your knowledge, intensely. If you want to feed me a shit sandwich here and want me to believe that shooting a cherry is a product of shoot and draw then I refuse to take a bite. You told me I know nothing about trailer construction; I agree. I told you you know nothing about acft structure; you dishonestly disagree. Do you think anyone is fooled?

So to write some general BS like that is ridiculous. Plastics can be welded thru a different process, and if you're good enough you can probably get far different metal alloys to weld. The point I made was that 6061 is known as the weldable aluminum, not that any others cannot, the question is one of, "why weld other metals when the weld doesn't have the same integrity?" Spruce is the standard for acft wood, not the only wood used, just the standard. 6061 is the weldable aluminum, not the only aluminum taht can be welded, just the most weldable. 20-70 is the standard for carb icing in recip acft, not the only place, just the most predominant range with humidity. 20 degree turns is a standard for commercial flying, it depends upon other factors that will make it vary, it might be 17 or 22 or???, but it is a good standard by which to refer to standard turns w/o going into a diatribe. See, and you agree, but when you get your ass handed to you in an argument, you then turn to fringe futility to try to misdirect the fact you lost. Again, do you think all can't see it? The best example is here:

- If I said pie was 3.1416 you would reply by saying, 'no, pie is not a definite number, so you are flat wrong.

- If I said the earth was a sphere, you would say, 'no, it's an oblate spheroid.

- If I said the numnerical value something was 9, you would say, 'no, it is 9.0, and then refer to significant digits.

- If I said a person was 30, you would sday, 'no, he is 30 1/2.'

We all see the method of futility in your madness and I don't think anyone buys it. You can take any issue and become futile and then claim victory.

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Yes, I know. That's what I pointed out in my reply. Read it again and this time pay attention.

Nope, the original question was for you to tellme what swell and draw means in regard to riveting, you guessed it was blind riveting, I pointed out it was not so you broke into this barrage of BS about the rivet swelling as it was being drawn up. I said that even if that wa sthe case, it would be draw and then swell, in that order, but that is not how it is termed in acft, GA or MRO, perhaps in your speciality, trailer building it is used.

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You said 6061 was the only Al alloy you have seen in aircraft that has been welded. That shows a very limited exposure. It also is not the most weldable alloy used in aircraft. Weldability takes into account a number of variables, some of which I am sure you are familiar with but some I am just as sure you are not.

Meanwhile as I hand your ass to you you claim a limited time around avaition, yet you have some knowledge of welding in avaition? Yet you haven't told us your occupation, and I still want fries with that.

Show us your vast amount of googling you've done in regard to welded acft parts, you keep claiming I'm wrong or limited, but fail to show your oh so vast knowledge. Truthfully, very little is welded in acft. Probably accessories/cases, but very fw strictural parts and probably no primary structure. The idea is that it's invasive so unless you have to, don't. I can't think of 1 keel beam, frame, stringer, skin or any other primary structure that is welded.

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Since you brought it up, yes, different alloys can be welded together. There are even processes by which dissimilar metals, such as Fe and Al, can be welded together successfully.

I brought it up saying it could be done, but THE STANDARD IS STILL 6061. You have yet to refute that, just play your circus games. My dad was a welder all his life so I knew it before I went into aviation, but you learn that early in avaition as well, for the few welded aluminum parts there are, that they always use 6061 unless there is a reason they can't - I have not heard of one - you're claiming brilliance, bring it via your new research.

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Also, corps who base here for the tax benefit but send job ovewrseas need to be taxed HARD.

Right.

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You could offer alternative theories and delve into it, but no, I have no affidavit from God, so it must be BS.

So, in other words, you're admitting you don't have proof.

Good - maybe now you'll quit making the claim every time we turn around.

Right, all you have to do is create a ridiculous standard of proof forr which there is none available and say, 'see, yiou can't prove it.' A guy was twice convicted in the courts for 1st deg murder using this standard you would embrace in the courts and demand his immediate execution, yet when it comes to defending your tax cuits my friends ideology you want beyond an absolute standard. Futility.

It's obvious that what Hoover did:

- Nothing

- Cutting taxes

- Refusing to deficit spend

is what led to the xxxx# of deaths and suffering. He virtually tripled taxes and the GDP turned, the unemp rate fell and the market recovered. I was drinking too many diet sodas and my Kidney/adrenal gland was hurting, I quit and the pain went away. Do I have a notorized affidavit from my kidney? No, but I'm willing to put togther that some content of the soda is what led to it. I can go on obviosu and repretitive data, I don't need an affidavit from God.

You would roll your eyes at a person on death row claiming their innocense, yet you want an obvious situation to be verified to unrealistic proportions if it includes teh handi work of your defunct party.

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Ah, so now I'm not only a Republican but also a Christian? Amazing.

God was a comment on the ridiculuous standard of proof you want, not Christianity. No, you're not a Republican, you're a Libertairan, 3 degrees different, sorry.

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Or perhaps just more of your usual BS, given that I'm an atheist who voted for Clinton, Kerry, and Obama. Even defective watches are right more often.

Right, but all of your commentary is pro-conservatove - DENIAL. Come on baby, wear it like a badge, you are conservative, quit the embarassment. You wanty low taxes and limited help to teh poor. I'm sorry you aren't able to understand my oh-so simple reff to God and affidavits, you're probably the only person who thought it was about Christianity

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if I went to a MRO (maint repair org)

They'd ask why an expert like yourself didn't know that a MRO commonly refers to Maintenance Repair and Overhaul. There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, Repair, Organization is more a system or software than a shop.

See kids, this is futility in action, instead of making a comment on the issue, he picks apart the use of an acronym that goes many ways mening the same thing. Neo-cons really are on their last leg, aren't they?

We refer to them as Maint Repair Orgs, and no genie comes out of his bottle to slap our wrist. We woudl probably call them name sand huirt their sensitive RW litle feelings, so we don't. I've worked at them for years, as well as at FBO's and we call the small ones FBO's, some have repair sta licenses, some not. Tell me, what process is followed to sign off work at FBO's w/o a repair sta license?

>>>>>>>>>There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, ...

Right, I've worked at many of those.

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So now, a tariff will mean they hold on on lending money. We can't do that! They get "most favored nation" status.

Yep, Obama just put a tarrif on Chinese tires and taht will backfire as the RW losers have dug us in so deep we have to suck Chinese dick.

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I'd sure like to see you get a bit real here. If you eat all your cak you can't have it anymore.

Right, so we have to tax the fuck out of the rich here and keep sucking Chinese dick......thanks fascist Ronnie.

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Isn't it amazing when comunist China provides a better business environment for private businesses?

Begging the point that Chinee Communism is more efficient than American Capitalism.

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Damn you are entertaining to watch squirm!

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Damn you are entertaining to watch squirm!

When you refuse to answer questions, you lose. I sued this group of people; 6 persons and 2 LLC's. Ended up with them in arbitration and one defendant just looked around the room and refused to answer a question. Guess what? He lost! You ask quetions, I answer, I ask you questions, you don't answer - YOU LOSE. Perhaps not in yoiur mind, but in your mind you think I was being mean in PM so I posted the 2 PM's and you kept a runnin. Dude, you're outta gas, just keep runin on by.

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No different than your quibbling on rivets. Actually, I'm still figuring out your claimed expertise in economy, politics, law, and aviation. I don't have a background in most of those but aviation, I just might know a thing or two about. If you're as often wrong in the other areas as you are in mine....
Oh, and back to the rivets-I was curious since my expertise in in P, not A so I spent the day putting a windscreen in a Bonanza and swell and draw makes perfect sense. I can see the process referred to in either order.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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It's obvious that what Hoover did:

- Nothing

- Cutting taxes

- Refusing to deficit spend

is what led to the xxxx# of deaths and suffering.

Only in your world is something as complicated as world economics so easily simplified to 2 variables. And so obvious that you presented no proof, just some funny God references.

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Or perhaps just more of your usual BS, given that I'm an atheist who voted for Clinton, Kerry, and Obama. Even defective watches are right more often.

Right, but all of your commentary is pro-conservatove - DENIAL.

Ok, this could be fun.

How much are you willing to stake on your claim that all of my commentary is conservative? $10? $100? $1000?

Better yet - how about this. If I take the effort to find 10 posts from 10 threads from 10 unique threads showing otherwise - you STFU and not post to Speaker's Corner for a full week?

We know you'll weasel, but the offer is out there. Man up and accept it.

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Hmmm...refusing to answer questions.
In the thread i started about Ford and UAW, you eventually offered to dispur our arguments one at a time. I was all in favor of that. But after the first reply you disappeared. Poof. Gone.
Now you are starting the same crap here of posting God-awful long and disordered posts.
Why should i even bother? You accuse me of misquoting but, if you check, it is you who have been misquoting everybody.
Maybe you should stick to sweeping the men's room.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Why do neo-cons never post what they are replying to?

I wrote: See kids, this is futility in action, instead of making a comment on the issue, he picks apart the use of an acronym that goes many ways mening the same thing. Neo-cons really are on their last leg, aren't they?

We refer to them as Maint Repair Orgs, and no genie comes out of his bottle to slap our wrist. We woudl probably call them name sand huirt their sensitive RW litle feelings, so we don't. I've worked at them for years, as well as at FBO's and we call the small ones FBO's, some have repair sta licenses, some not. Tell me, what process is followed to sign off work at FBO's w/o a repair sta license?

>>>>>>>>>There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, ...

Right, I've worked at many of those.

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No different than your quibbling on rivets.

What's no diff than me quibbling over rivets? BTW, you probably didn't follow the other thread, but Belgian asked me 3 basic aviation questions, I answerd them corectly and claimed I answered 2 wrong. He begrudgingly recanted 1 after Bill essentially told him he was wrong, the other he split hairs and used a fringe to try to make a case. The rivets was about me then asking him what swell and draw is in regar dto riveting. He didn;t know, he guessed and it turns out he was a trailer assembler, nit an acft mech. I have 25+ years acft exp, I have an FAA mech license, FAA insp authorization and a Pilot's license and he thinks he knows more than me

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Actually, I'm still figuring out your claimed expertise in economy, politics, law, and aviation.

Show me where I claim to be an expert other than aviation structures.

And not supporting any of it. See, the neo-cons have decided to misdirect the issue of their failed fiscal policy and make this a referendum on me ad hominem style. I'm ok with that, but at least bring something instead of the usual nothingness. Oh well, it that or spelling corections, just leave the neo-con cut tax and grossly overspend thing out.

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If you're as often wrong in the other areas as you are in mine....

Show me where I was often wrong.

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Oh, and back to the rivets-I was curious since my expertise in in P, not A ...

What we say in sheetmetal is that if you want job security, give an A&P a drill motor and rivet gun.

For clarity to all:

- A&P mechs typically change landing gear, service, flt controls, engine work, systems, etc

- Sheetmetal/structural mechs - Anything airframe.

- Avionics remove/install radios, wires, etc.

So I am an A&P/IA, PP, FCCGROL, but I specialize in airframe. So just because I'm an A&P doesn't mean I specialize in systems, engines, etc.

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so I spent the day putting a windscreen in a Bonanza and swell and draw makes perfect sense. I can see the process referred to in either order.

That's because you are an A&P and you don't have a clue as to what full-time SM people do. Watch how it works:

- drill the hole in the material to be fastened.

- Debur

- Join them and draw all gaps out, install rivet then shoot

- If there are some areas where you cannot draw gaps out, insert solid rivet, SWELL THAT RIVET SLIGHTLY, then place the bar next to the rivet and tap the rivet head very lightly to DRAW THE MATERIAL DOWN using the swollen shank of the rivet to create tension to hold the laminates together while you shoot them together. So do you see how you must sweel the rivet before you draw it? To do the opposite would be like saying you could pull the cutaway or the reserve in any order; it just doesn't matter.

I asked Belgian this to see his knowledge of acft SM as this is a technique known around the industry with SM veterans, not google-able.

Normally we install those windscreen lower retaining strips screws and fiber nuts, as it is a bitch to buck inside under the inst panel. They come factiry with rivets. Rivets are better for a few reasons; was the Beech torndown? Esp the rivets on the corners, they are a bitch.

Belgian was saying swell and draw related to a blind fastener, the truth is the fastener draws up the shank, the shank then swells. With blinds you really have to have the gaps pulle dout, the second the shaft swells on each laminate it's over; it's really a 1-shot deal. I know you feel the desire to run to the aid of a fellow conservative, fine, but ask any veteran SM guy what swell and draw means and he will verify this.

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It's obvious that what Hoover did:

- Nothing

- Cutting taxes

- Refusing to deficit spend

is what led to the xxxx# of deaths and suffering.

Only in your world is something as complicated as world economics so easily simplified to 2 variables. And so obvious that you presented no proof, just some funny God references.

Sure there are many aspects, but there are primary aspects, causes, cures, etc. You guys will continue to defend TAX CUTS, MY FRIENDS until your balls fall off. Tell me then, I assert it was tax cuts and refusal to deficit spend and render aid in a big way, what should Hoover have done? Just answer the fucking question; what should Hoover have don in Oct 1929?

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Or perhaps just more of your usual BS, given that I'm an atheist who voted for Clinton, Kerry, and Obama. Even defective watches are right more often.

Right, but all of your commentary is pro-conservatove - DENIAL.

Ok, this could be fun.

How much are you willing to stake on your claim that all of my commentary is conservative? $10? $100? $1000?

Better yet - how about this. If I take the effort to find 10 posts from 10 threads from 10 unique threads showing otherwise - you STFU and not post to Speaker's Corner for a full week?

We know you'll weasel, but the offer is out there. Man up and accept it.

Hillarious. Firstly, we woudl have to define conservatism and conservative issues. Secondly and most importantly, you're a Libertarian, pie-in-the-sky the church can heal everyone, fuck teh poor, fuck taxes, pro-pot and pro-abortion. Look, at the end of teh day, I'm not that huge on moral issues, I'm the biggest on fiscal issues, so TO ME YOU ARE CONSERVATIVE AS YOUR FISCCAL BELIEFS MIRROR CONSERVATIVE DESTRUCTIVE FISCAL SCREWUPS. So am I right, are you a Libertarian?

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Better yet - how about this. If I take the effort to find 10 posts from 10 threads from 10 unique threads showing otherwise - you STFU and not post to Speaker's Corner for a full week?

It would be subjective and you would find posts where you advocate moral liberalrism, and I don't dispute those might exost. Show me 5 previous non-edited posts where you advocate anything liberal.

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We know you'll weasel, but the offer is out there. Man up and accept it.

Show me 10 posts where you have in the past advocated a tax increase or anything fiscally conservative. See, you fail to see that Liberatrians are virtually always Republcians atthe poll, that's where you're confused.

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Hmmm...refusing to answer questions.
In the thread i started about Ford and UAW, you eventually offered to dispur our arguments one at a time. I was all in favor of that. But after the first reply you disappeared. Poof. Gone.

Don't talk about it, show it. Post the thread link and I'll be on it.

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Now you are starting the same crap here of posting God-awful long and disordered posts.

Right, you run and refuse to answer, apparently don't have the focus to read a page wth 400 words and now it's long. I think riddalin (sp) helps for that.

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Why should i even bother? You accuse me of misquoting but, if you check, it is you who have been misquoting everybody.

I posted your misquoting me in this thread about 10 posts ago - you run from that. Now you say I'm doing it but have no evidence. Shit or get off teh pot.

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Maybe you should stick to sweeping the men's room.

Hey unemployed engineer, go back to making trailers and no, I don't want fries with that. Quit trying to pass yourself as an acfft mech, the FAA might come down on you.

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Being the World Expert On Everything that you are, it must really gall you to only be drawing AP pay.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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have 25+ years acft exp, I have an FAA mech license, FAA insp authorization and a Pilot's license and he thinks he knows more than me

15 years metal fab, then a BSME, then CWI & CWE added in the 20 years since. Worked for big oil, small oil, big construction, small construction, inspection, repair, and testing facilities. Now I work for myself. Certificated pilot. Built and flew my own experimental aircraft (a DR-107) from blueprints.

Yeah, I'd say I have a slightly larger knowledge base to "draw" from.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Don't talk about it, show it. Post the thread link and I'll be on it.

Say WHAT???? Are you so busy arguing with everybody here on SC you can't even keep track of what threads you are posting to? And now you expect ME to show you where you need to post? HAH!

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Quit trying to pass yourself as an acfft mech, the FAA might come down on you.

That has got to be a perfect "10" for irony!

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Show me 10 posts where you have in the past advocated a tax increase or anything fiscally conservative. See, you fail to see that Liberatrians are virtually always Republcians atthe poll, that's where you're confused.

Show me the money first, weasel.

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That's because you are an A&P and you don't have a clue as to what full-time SM people do. Watch how it works:

Nope-I'm not

Funny thing though-when the FAA has a question-my phone rings

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[billvon 3,116]

Kelp, Lucky, Mneal, Belgian - cut it out.