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Yeah, ok. I'm debating someone who doesn't even know the difference between trying to have children and using natural birth control. (BTW, condoms were cheap, even during the depression.)
As I said before, It is your outrageous claim of 12 million dead because of Hoover that is being qustioned, not any claims I have made. Everything I have posted can be, and has been, supported by outside sources.
Oh well. If nothing else at least i got you to revise your guesstimate to 1/2 of what it originally was.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Sorry, I apologize to Lucky. I got carried away

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Yeah, ok. I'm debating someone who doesn't even know the difference between trying to have children and using natural birth control.

I do know the diff, rememeber, I posted the slang fro these lovely methods. All BC are based upon probabilities and these success rates are the lowest:

- Coitus interuptus

- Timing the period

- Titty fucking

- Titty sucking

The highest are condom and pill. So as I said, we call your method-users parents, then due to your boy, Hoover an his, "TAX CUTS MY FRIENDS" ideals, they have kids and the kids have a great rate of mortality.

But enough running from the issues, answer the ?'s. Hell, I played your game of questions, now you don't play mine there or here
after I demonstrated your virtual total lack of acft mech knowledge. Tisk-tisk, tell us why Hoover's GD escape sucked balls.

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(BTW, condoms were cheap, even during the depression.)

1) Do you have any evidence of that?

2) Cheap, we're talking about millions of people digging thru garbage cans for food and others above them using every clothing item and just everything to it's bitted end use, so I think it likely they use your methods of birth control from your page than buy rubbers.

But enough running from the issues, answer the ?'s. Hell, I played your game of questions, now you don't play mine there or here
after I demonstrated your virtual total lack of acft mech knowledge. Tisk-tisk, tell us why Hoover's GD escape sucked balls.

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As I said before, It is your outrageous claim of 12 million dead because of Hoover that is being qustioned, not any claims I have made.

And I have said it is probably moe like 7 million, possibly lower. I will probably go to the local univ and research some peer reviewed journals if tehy have any that cover the issue.

You did make the assertion that Hoover's handling of the GD sucked balls, I'm asking for clarification. You won't give any because his handling was to cut taxes and let the market fix itself and there's no way you can squirm out of that. I've already and immediately admitted my source was bad, so to argue it further is moot. And since XXXXX dead GD era people were based largely upon the gov handling of aid, you made a related assertion, it is fair game too. This reminds me of when you threw questions at me, I handed you your ass, I asked you questions and you refused to answer any more as you started looking silly.

But enough running from the issues, answer the ?'s. Hell, I played your game of questions, now you don't play mine there or here
after I demonstrated your virtual total lack of acft mech knowledge. Tisk-tisk, tell us why Hoover's GD escape sucked balls.

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Everything I have posted can be, and has been, supported by outside sources.

Hoover's handkling of the GD sucked balls, in total, why? What should he have done? Wjhat effect of taxes played a role? What, in total did he do? It was your claim, support it with your external source.

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Oh well. If nothing else at least i got you to revise your guesstimate to 1/2 of what it originally was.

It wasn't a guesstimate, it was a quick and probably falacious search. I think thr truth is that even on a bad day, the number is at least 1 million if you count infant mortality, suicide increases, malnutrition leading to starvation or to suppressed immune systems and death, etc. So tell me, I will hypothetically revise it to 1/12 of my claim glady, as we have no real way of knowing; there was no tracking of the depression-caused deaths, so let's ask it again: How were Hoover's policies that sucked balls responsible for at the very least, 1 million deaths?

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Sorry, I apologize to Lucky. I got carried away

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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Sorry, I apologize to Lucky. I got carried away

No prob man, just tell me how I can punch a clock to get paid for all this, I'll even fix the typos

The OT you must have collected by now would allow you to retire I think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Sorry, I apologize to Lucky. I got carried away

No prob man, just tell me how I can punch a clock to get paid for all this, I'll even fix the typos

The OT you must have collected by now would allow you to retire I think

Other way, all the fucking time I spend here costs me OT . I really have learned a lot while at all my clubs I frequent. This place probably has the largest and most diverse group of intelect over other clubs I frequent. Just laying things out there, if people are credible, they honestly and completely answer questions and research a bit to at least get close to the thruth, it's a great exchange and I have learned a lot from some people or from others who challenge me to research things. Of course there is the troll-factor where people just jab and don't research, answer questions, or try to find the truth.......the truth is someimes ugly to us and we have to / should admit it.

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Uh.....I think you are mistaken. You never answered 1/4 of the questions i asked you in the other thread.

I am trying very hard to stick to the topic, which just so happens to be your 12 million dead figure that you have revised to 1/2 that number (or about there). Why do you keep asking questions unrelated to that? My opinion of Hoover has no influence on your guesstimate.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Uh.....I think you are mistaken. You never answered 1/4 of the questions i asked you in the other thread.

Do you really have to posture? POST: which didn;t I answer. Do I have to go back and find the list of questions you didn't answer? You finally said no more 20 questions after the swell-and-draw and your errant answer of blind rivets. The you backed off and said you never claimed to be an expert in aviation structure - no more questoions.

WHICH QUESTIONS DID I NOT ANSWER?

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I am trying very hard to stick to the topic, which just so happens to be your 12 million dead figure that you have revised to 1/2 that number (or about there).

No, you're trying very hard not to answer why Hoover fucked teh GD recovery, as you then would have to admit that doing nothing / cutting taxes was a negative approach, and you don't want that. DO YOU REALLY THINK PEOPLE HERE ARE THAT STUPID AS TO THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE YOU AVOIDING QUESTIONS?

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Why do you keep asking questions unrelated to that?

Diff issue? Unrelated? Really? I agreed immediately that it was a bad source and that the number is tough to discern, but probably more like 7 million, maybe less. I think it's wide open as to how many died, but to say that 1 million died is very believable. So here was just one of teh many statements that I made:

Gee, they did it after Hoover cut taxes slightly as the GD kicked off, almost 3 years later and 12 mill dead Hoover almost tripled them and FDR raised them a little a year later and then again.

So my point still stands:

- Hoover cut taxes
- almost 3 years later easily 1M died
- Hoover tripled taxes
- healing began

So you've made your point that 12 Mill was erroant, it still could be close, but I doubt it, now you find yoruself arguing a moot point - pretty silly-looking. The passage you drew the 12M from was the same one that is posted above. Since you debinked the 12M, now move on to another point within that or just continue to acquiesce (agree). The questions I now ask are related, now quit repeating an issue that has been agreed upon by all sides that the toll was at least 1M and let's continue the discussion.

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My opinion of Hoover has no influence on your guesstimate.

It wasn't a guesstimate, as I had a source, a bad one, but it waasn'tmy number - I did a quicky search that I agree was errant, but that at the very least, 1M people died.

And your opinion of how Hoover cut taxes and that "sucked balls" will stay suppressed - just not honest.

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And BTW, one of your many pseudo hats; stockbroker. The market won't hold, look at the losses today...... yea, how's the market doing, Mr. I look at the market day-to-day.

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You really don't pay much attention to what people actually post, do you?

I never mentioned a word about being a stockbroker.
In fact, I follow the stock market so little I know very little about it.

I think you are totally confused since it has been you that has so far posed as an aviation expert, economics expert, history expert, attorney, and poli-sci expert.

I'm not "trying very hard" to avoid answering you questions about Hoover, I'm just not answering them for reasons I have already mentioned. If you think that is running from a debate then fine, think what you want.

BTW, don't blame me if you don't know how a simple blind rivet works and one question you didn't answer was where you think I said all aluminum can be welded. Care to point that out?

HAMMER:
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You really don't pay much attention to what people actually post, do you?

I generally address last word while you cherry pick and avoid the tough qustions like your hero, Saran Palin.

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I never mentioned a word about being a stockbroker. In fact, I follow the stock market so little I know very little about it.

Withourt going back to the other trhead, didn't you say or infer you give some kind of backdoor advoce? At the very least, you did say that the market won't hold it's value - just look at it dropping today giving back yesterday's gain.

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I think you are totally confused since it has been you that has so far posed as an aviation expert, economics expert, history expert, attorney, and poli-sci expert.

I could testify as an airframe expert. Not from an engineering persepctive, but as a mechainic/builder of airframes. Not close to an economics expert, Ipost data and watch people run; that validates my points.

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I'm not "trying very hard" to avoid answering you questions about Hoover, I'm just not answering them for reasons I have already mentioned. If you think that is running from a debate then fine, think what you want.

You act like it's a personal reason that is deep and dark, the original statement by me coverd Hoover, his policies and the effect of suffering and death, you want to open part but not all of the questioning; in court that wouldn't permitted - here you just look silly. Truth that is obvious to all; you can't honestly go down that path w/o entering the other issues. Ok, so the death toll was probably a lot < 12M, was it 7M, was it 5M or 1M? Now we move onto the other issues.

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BTW, don't blame me if you don't know how a simple blind rivet works and one question you didn't answer was where you think I said all aluminum can be welded. Care to point that out?

Again, w/o going back there, I said 6061 is the best aluminum to be welded and every acft alum part I've seen welded is 6061. You made so kind of statement that all or many alloys can be welded. I think I replied by saying that even tho they may be welded, they don't weld nearly as well so they waren't used. You did represent that it isn't much diff - one alloy to another.

As for blind rivet, I've been in aviation all my life since being a kid and have never used or even remotely heard that a blind fastener can be shot by, "swell and draw." As I stated before, shooting a blind rivet is a 1-step process after you have it loaded in teh hole, you can't partially shoot it if you want it to turn out well, so even using your crazy guess as to 'swell and draw' it would really be draw and swell, as the blind fastener draws teh shank, then swells, so your scurrying has worked agianst you. You remind me of that SNL skit where the chick knows more than everyone else. It's ok that you don't understadn swell and draw in regard to shooting solid rivets on acft, few people do since it's an obscure career field.

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To revisit your question to me, you asked what riveting method uses swell and draw. You didn't say the most common, the most known, etc. I told you blind riveting. In case you need reminding a riveting tool is used to draw the rivet pin which swells the head before the pin pulls apart. Plainly blind riveting uses both aspects you asked for. Sorry you don't like the answer but I'm sure you'll live through the dissappointment.

No, I never said anything about the stock market. Again, sorry to dissappoint you. I think you are just arguing with too many other posters to keep them all straight about who said what.

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Again, w/o going back there, I said 6061 is the best aluminum to be welded and every acft alum part I've seen welded is 6061. You made so kind of statement that all or many alloys can be welded. I think I replied by saying that even tho they may be welded, they don't weld nearly as well so they waren't used. You did represent that it isn't much diff - one alloy to another.

Dude, just from that statement alone there is no way on this earth you could ever offer testimony as an airframe expert of any kind.

Why do you keep bringing up Hoover? Are you so hard up for an argument that you now want to argue about points you agree on???

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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2) Cheap, we're talking about millions of people digging thru garbage cans for food and others above them using every clothing item and just everything to it's bitted end use, so I think it likely they use your methods of birth control from your page than buy rubbers.

People digging through trash cans for food aren't getting laid that much. That's pretty much the point he's raising - in a depression more people are single, fewer couples decide to have children. That doesn't prevent unplanned pregnancies, but it severely reduces the birth rate. Your 'revised' bullshit death rate is assuming that the population should have grown by the same amount as any other decade (which also ignores the lower immigration in the 30s when there was no opportunity in America to go to)

You could get a reliable count of births in the 30s that could either support or destroy your point. It's your burden of duty, since you keep insisting that 12 (or 7) million died due to economic policies that vaguely match something someone know would like to do.

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I'm sure you're right and the following all got it wrong (since they all agree with my statement).

BBC News
Bloomberg News Service
Boston Business Journal
Boston Globe
BusinessToday
Business Week
CBS Radio Network - Charles Osgood
Charles Schwab
Christian Science Monitor
CNN.com Europe
CNNMoney
Daily News Online
Daily Record Online
Financial Times
Forbes.com
Fortune
Minneapolis Star Tribune
MSNBC
MSN Money
NewsDay
Newsweek Magazine
Pimco Funds
Reuters
Smith Barney
SI Review
The New York Times
USA TODAY
Washington Post Online
The Wall Street Journal

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Nice list. Glaring omissions:
NBER
US Government

This is versus Gatorade - the Official sports drink of the NFL. Yoy know, it can be verified! At the source of the official designation!

Hexk, a couple of posters declared me a god among men in the bonfire a few months ago. It's official!

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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To revisit your question to me, you asked what riveting method uses swell and draw. You didn't say the most common, the most known, etc. I told you blind riveting.

You are the king of losimg primary argumemts and then drifting off to fringe arguments and being petty or abstract to TRY to translate that as being the primary argument. Even guys in your corner see it. You've refused to answer so many of my questions, as in: 20 questins is over, as I answer all of yours; your credibility is null.

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In case you need reminding a riveting tool is used to draw the rivet pin which swells the head before the pin pulls apart. Plainly blind riveting uses both aspects you asked for. Sorry you don't like the answer but I'm sure you'll live through the dissappointment.

I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. Again, kid, kid, kid, if I went to a MRO (maint repair org) and referred to pulling some blind rivets as, "I will go swell and draw those rivets" they would be watching me very closely andd if they found 1 reason to be rid of me they would. Kid, you admitted, you're a trailer mechanic and obviously you want to pretend you're an acft srructure mech; do you think anyone is fooled?

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No, I never said anything about the stock market. Again, sorry to dissappoint you. I think you are just arguing with too many other posters to keep them all straight about who said what.

Actually it was jcd11235 making that brilliant prognostication.

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Dude, just from that statement alone there is no way on this earth you could ever offer testimony as an airframe expert of any kind.

AS I WROTE: Again, w/o going back there, I said 6061 is the best aluminum to be welded and every acft alum part I've seen welded is 6061. You made so kind of statement that all or many alloys can be welded. I think I replied by saying that even tho they may be welded, they don't weld nearly as well so they waren't used. You did represent that it isn't much diff - one alloy to another.

So you say it's ALF, but you don't make a claim as to why. Now you want believability . Please tell us why that assertion is incorrect instead of trying to convicne us with your pseudo knowledge of acft, metals, etc. Do you see how silly it looks to say: "you're wong, but I won't tell you why?"

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Why do you keep bringing up Hoover? Are you so hard up for an argument that you now want to argue about points you agree on???

The number of millions of dead were in dispute, the major statement that Hoover's policies, "sucked balls" is not; we both agree. But the further question of why they sucked balls would be in dispute, unless you think 'tax cuts my friends' was bad. See, I want to pin you down on your statement as to why Hoover's GD recovery sucked balls and you're run-runnin on empty, runnin dry. That is what is in dispute. Will you answer? No, you cherry-pick.

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People digging through trash cans for food aren't getting laid that much.

It's not, "aren't" it's were or were not. I'm not talking present tenths, I'm talking past tenths, circa 1930's. I don't think you are able to understand average Joe American digging thru garbage cans, not just the dregs of society, as they are considered by many now. Point is, homeless guys now aren't like homeless then.

Furthermore, even if the working people who were made poor and / or then homeless weren't digging thru trash cans, they were still begging or scraping by and also fucking. I think you fail to remember that the poor and homelesss in the 30's were the middle class, unlike now.

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That's pretty much the point he's raising - in a depression more people are single, fewer couples decide to have children.

Actually I read something recently that stated the divorce rate was down during the GD. What are you basing your assertion on? And most pregnancies really aren't planned, other than the fucking might be planne dor at least deliberate planned; that's how Jesus (gag, puke) nature had it planned, they attach a bonus to sex and a drive, that furthers the species.

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That doesn't prevent unplanned pregnancies, but it severely reduces the birth rate.

From a species survival perspective, those who have the least probability to have long-surviving offspring will render the most offspring, so it would make sense that they would procreate more. What else effected the birth rate were infant mortalities via nonexistent prenatal care, a product of the GD.

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Your 'revised' bullshit death rate is assuming that the population should have grown by the same amount as any other decade (which also ignores the lower immigration in the 30s when there was no opportunity in America to go to)

Sure, I even said it could be < 7 Million, could be as little as 1 million, I don;t see it less than that. So let's agree on a number and then we'll go to what the real discussion started out as: TAX CUTS, MY RICH FRIENDS. Of course the neo-cons all scatter when we start talking taxes and the effect on the economy.

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You could get a reliable count of births in the 30s that could either support or destroy your point. It's your burden of duty, since you keep insisting that 12 (or 7) million died due to economic policies that vaguely match something someone know would like to do.

Not sure what you're trying to say there in bold. Again, as far as the number, I spent hours trying to find the number of dead that died as a result of Hoover's tax policies and all his other Lassiz Faire idiocy.

I don't care if we reduce to a ridiculously low 1M and go with that; the point still stands that Hoover cutting taxes, not deficit spending and being idiotic enough to think the market would fix itself w/o killing many is how this issue started and I would like to further that as well. So what do you think is a fair number tax cuts my friends killed in teh GD?

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-All aluminum alloys can be welded. Some alloys are easily welded, some aren't. Some can be fusion welded, some have to be solid state welded. Quality and retained strength vary considerably. What alloy is the best to be welded depends entirely on the application.
-Aircraft use many different welded alloys. If the only one you have ever seen that was welded is 6061 then you have been around aircraft even less than I.
-What is it about what Hoover did that I disagreed with you on?

BTW, your question was "swell and draw", not "swell then draw".
There is a world of difference in the wording.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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People digging through trash cans for food aren't getting laid that much.

It's not, "aren't" it's were or were not. I'm not talking present tenths, I'm talking past tenths, circa 1930's. I don't think you are able to understand average Joe American digging thru garbage cans, not just the dregs of society, as they are considered by many now. Point is, homeless guys now aren't like homeless then.

For a guy that seems to making a lot of spelling correction posts of late...wtf is tenths? It's is tense. And sorry, I don't buy it. 3/4 of the people were working in the GD - that's a lousy rate, but that still makes the majority of men preferable to those digging for garbage. Couple that with the more uptight morals of the era (sex before marriage was done discreetly).

If you spent hours on this, you can find birth numbers. Or you might examine the non tax related policy decisions that contributed to the world wide malaise, started with trade policy.

Right now, you have an unfounded argument that tax cuts killed millions, but you can't support either part of that claim.

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BTW, your question was "swell and draw", not "swell then draw".
There is a world of difference in the wording.

I didn't write, "swell then draw". I wrote:

I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw.

You misquoted me, which is why you rarely post a quote from the person you're replying to; patently dishonest.

That was how I've always worded it, I posed it as swell and then draw to illustrate how a person could hypothetivcally characterize the action of a blind fastener, it just isn't ever used in the trade, but that even in your obscure answer that swell and draw could be somehow the process of a blind rivet with your guess, tat's even wrong because IF thatg language was used it would hypothetically be draw and swell.

I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. Look, dude, yiou fucked up, you know not what you talk about, you guessed and now you're trying ot run away. What do you think you ended the, as you called it, the 20 questions? Your lack of acft knowledge would have been further expanded.

And that's how you make your living in these arguments; semantics. I have been in aviation since age 17, really flying with my dad sicne age 5. I have 30 years acft exp not counting the very small breaks, 25 years if you take my resuem dates and add them up. 20 years have been in acft structures and sheetmetal, I will post a myriad of pics on photobucket of some projects I have done recently and am still doing 1. If you went to a shop referring to shooting a cherrymax as, "shoot and draw" or "draw and shoot" they would start to question your knowledge, intensely. If you want to feed me a shit sandwich here and want me to believe that shooting a cherry is a product of shoot and draw then I refuse to take a bite. You told me I know nothing about trailer construction; I agree. I told you you know nothing about acft structure; you dishonestly disagree. Do you think anyone is fooled?

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-All aluminum alloys can be welded. Some alloys are easily welded, some aren't. Some can be fusion welded, some have to be solid state welded. Quality and retained strength vary considerably. What alloy is the best to be welded depends entirely on the application.

So to write some general BS like that is ridiculous. Plastics can be welded thru a different process, and if you're good enough you can probably get far different metal alloys to weld. The point I made was that 6061 is known as the weldable aluminum, not that any others cannot, the question is one of, "why weld other metals when the weld doesn't have the same integrity?" Spruce is the standard for acft wood, not the only wood used, just the standard. 6061 is the weldable aluminum, not the only aluminum taht can be welded, just the most weldable. 20-70 is the standard for carb icing in recip acft, not the only place, just the most predominant range with humidity. 20 degree turns is a standard for commercial flying, it depends upon other factors that will make it vary, it might be 17 or 22 or???, but it is a good standard by which to refer to standard turns w/o going into a diatribe. See, and you agree, but when you get your ass handed to you in an argument, you then turn to fringe futility to try to misdirect the fact you lost. Again, do you think all can't see it? The best example is here:

- If I said pie was 3.1416 you would reply by saying, 'no, pie is not a definite number, so you are flat wrong.

- If I said the earth was a sphere, you would say, 'no, it's an oblate spheroid.

- If I said the numnerical value something was 9, you would say, 'no, it is 9.0, and then refer to significant digits.

- If I said a person was 30, you would sday, 'no, he is 30 1/2.'

We all see the method of futility in your madness and I don't think anyone buys it. You can take any issue and become futile and then claim victory.

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For a guy that seems to making a lot of spelling correction posts of late...

Please show one where I corrected. I might tell others to quit correcting, but I don't correct and say there, I'm right cause you mispelled/used in wrong context. I get it, you're out of gas and looking to earn credit on other than the issue.

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wtf is tenths?

Past tense - there, is your finicky world all better now?

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And sorry, I don't buy it. 3/4 of the people were working in the GD -

And you know little to nothing about how unemp stats are compiled. Even if it were that, that is massive, not sure what your point it. Oh yes, tax cuts my friends was a good idea, that's right. But you'll just avoid that one like the plegue (I gave ya that one so you had something to write about next time.)

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that's a lousy rate, but that still makes the majority of men preferable to those digging for garbage.

Oh, majority, so more than half is ok, tax cuts my friends.

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Couple that with the more uptight morals of the era (sex before marriage was done discreetly).

The saying, 'more peole are talking now and doing less than before when they were doing more and talking less. I agree with it. I won't pretend to have a crystal ball of the past if you don't. Who knows who was 'zoomin' who and how often.

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If you spent hours on this, you can find birth numbers. Or you might examine the non tax related policy decisions that contributed to the world wide malaise, started with trade policy.

Right, right, right, but it couldn't have been, sing along folks....T A X C U T S, M Y F RI E N D S. Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo! Even tho right after it kicked off, tax cuts, XXXXXXXX dead and devastated and then tax increase in June 32, numbers started flipping. Hell, FDR didn't raise taxes until 36 as it appeared to me, he just went off Hoover's late tax increase.

See, you have the approach that, 'It wasn't the tax schedule, I wonder what it was?' OPEN YOUR MIND. And Smoot-Hawley affected other countries more than us. As a sidenote, Smoot, Hawley and Hoover were all Republicans like you . All the act did was to make countries work their problems alone. We could have raised taxes and opened welfare, but since the top .10% owned all of what the bottom 40% owned then we weren't in the habit, as we aren't now, of making the rich only moderately more rich.

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Right now, you have an unfounded argument that tax cuts killed millions, but you can't support either part of that claim.

And you can't refute it. It's really an opinion matter, but tax cutters like you refuse to see that we go thru of our worst times under low taxes; worst recessions, highest debts/deficits.

As for the number of dead as a result of teh GD, it's impossible to statistically figure, as that data wasn't tracked then. All we can do is look at census data, draw any other data we can and draw a conclusion. After tossing this around, did 12M die as a result of the GD, I doubt it. Did 7M die as a result of the GD? Probably not. Can we say 1M infants, dust bowlers who died from the dust inhalation from bacteria probably, malnutrition, starvation, lack of medical, crime, etc..............as a result of yoru favorite Lassiz Faire genius approach? Sure, I think to say Katrina, not the govs job . I don't want to live in your governemtn and fortunately that's changing so the gov isn't like yours anymore.

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Right now, you have an unfounded argument that tax cuts killed millions, but you can't support either part of that claim.

And you can't refute it. It's really an opinion matter, but tax cutters like you refuse to see that we go thru of our worst times under low taxes; worst recessions, highest debts/deficits.

Ah, but you see, I don't have to refute it. It's your pet project. And since you're trying to assert that tax cuts kill millions, so Obama needs to tax our way out of the current mess, you do have an obligation to prove your claim.

Well, no, you don't have to do shit. You can instead insist that all who disagree with you are Republicans, and do nothing. And in turn, we can give you the level of respect your [lack of] intellectual honesty deserves.

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I didn't write, "swell then draw".

Yes, I know. That's what I pointed out in my reply. Read it again and this time pay attention. I try to keep my replies short so you can follow along.

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I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice

Exactly my point

You said 6061 was the only Al alloy you have seen in aircraft that has been welded. That shows a very limited exposure. It also is not the most weldable alloy used in aircraft. Weldability takes into account a number of variables, some of which I am sure you are familiar with but some I am just as sure you are not.
Since you brought it up, yes, different alloys can be welded together. There are even processes by which dissimilar metals, such as Fe and Al, can be welded together successfully.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Ah, but you see, I don't have to refute it. It's your pet project. And since you're trying to assert that tax cuts kill millions, so Obama needs to tax our way out of the current mess, you do have an obligation to prove your claim.

And you're like the rest of the conservatives; give me an affidavit from God or Jesus or I won;t believ it based upon a reasonable standard of proof. And yes, you don't have to provide an affirmative defense for your party's tax cuts and you can still hide behind - 'you can't prove it.'

As I've told many here, the standard of proof to execute people allows for inferrential evidence and the tax cuts or basically Lassiz Faire approach is plenty to show the death and devastation (to whatever tally) caused by:

A) Doing nothing

B) Panderring to the rich, as the R's do today

But yes, you can still claim until the affidavit from God it's all speculation and that TAX CUTS, MY FRIENDS isn't deluded. Right, we can execute people on one standard, yet you demand a standard far higher to PROVE that it was more than coincidential timing with tax cits, then devastation. Of course the other option is deficit spending, and since we coddel our rich, taht's what we do.

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Well, no, you don't have to do shit. You can instead insist that all who disagree with you are Republicans, and do nothing. And in turn, we can give you the level of respect your [lack of] intellectual honesty deserves.

Me spending hours trying to find the truth and sharing teh data and my opinion are honorable, dishonorable is illustrated here: ...I don't have to refute it...

You could offer alternative theories and delve into it, but no, I have no affidavit from God, so it must be BS.

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You could offer alternative theories and delve into it, but no, I have no affidavit from God, so it must be BS.

So, in other words, you're admitting you don't have proof.

Good - maybe now you'll quit making the claim every time we turn around.

Mike
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