rushmc 23 #26 November 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you like. By abandoning the moderates, the GOP dooms themselves for another few years. This was a good example; they gave up a guaranteed win because a candidate nominated by the GOP wouldn't drink the Kool-Aid. No - they realized the candidate they put forward HAD been drinking the (Dem) kool-aid. Real Republicans don't get endorsements from DKOS. the committee that put forward they candidate is not the same group of people that threw her under the bus. what you, limbaugh, hannity, thompson, beck, and palin fail to fucking understand is that it really doesn't matter if how liberal she is or where she goes against the republican party. what is important here is whether or not she can represent the people of her district. the people of that area are conservative, but a great many of them are also pro choice and really don't give a shit about gay marriage. it is also a strong union area, but many of the union members are conservative as well. hoffman is definately not a good representative of the people of district 23. a great disservice has been done to them. Oh, and so that makes it ok to miss-label herself. Now THAT makes sense"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 November 4, 2009 Quotehoffman is definately not a good representative of the people of district 23. a great disservice has been done to them. Which, of course, is why 45% of the populace voted for him vs. 6% for the 'perfect candidate' scozzafava.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote If she really was that liberal, the question is - why did the GOP committee nominate her in the first place? My suspicion is that they saw her as someone who would represent them well and be a competitive candidate. she got the nomination because they did 3 or 4 polls and she consistantly can out as being strongest against owens while hoffman repeatedly came in last. And then, she dropped out because???? Because her own party fucked her right up the ass. You've got to be kidding - who doesn't realize that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If she really was that liberal, the question is - why did the GOP committee nominate her in the first place? My suspicion is that they saw her as someone who would represent them well and be a competitive candidate. she got the nomination because they did 3 or 4 polls and she consistantly can out as being strongest against owens while hoffman repeatedly came in last. And then, she dropped out because???? Because her own party fucked her right up the ass. You've got to be kidding - who doesn't realize that? Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? What's that movie line? Oh, yes... "Bitch, please".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 November 5, 2009 Quotewho doesn't realize that? I guess I've got my answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 November 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote If she really was that liberal, the question is - why did the GOP committee nominate her in the first place? My suspicion is that they saw her as someone who would represent them well and be a competitive candidate. she got the nomination because they did 3 or 4 polls and she consistantly can out as being strongest against owens while hoffman repeatedly came in last. And then, she dropped out because???? Because her own party fucked her right up the ass. You've got to be kidding - who doesn't realize that? Because her claimed party affiliation was a lie dude. Learn it, know it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 November 5, 2009 Hey dude! How about this as reference to "thrown under the bus"? Quote Gay Leaders Blame Obama for Loss in Maine Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:40 PM Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads — and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement — for a bitter election setback in Maine that could alter the dynamics for both sides in the gay-marriage debate. Conservatives, in contrast, celebrated Maine voters' rejection of a law that would have allowed gay couples to wed, depicting it as a warning shot that should deter politicians in other states from pushing for same-sex marriage. "Every time the citizens have voted on marriage, they have always sided with natural marriage," said Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel, a Florida-based Christian legal group. "Maine dramatically illustrates the will of the people, and politicians should wake up and listen." Special: Get Sarah Palin’s New Book – Incredible FREE Offer -- Click Here Now.Andy, this is not a link. Go to NewMax if you want this book freeGay activists were frustrated that Obama, who insists he staunchly supports their overall civil rights agenda, didn't speak out forcefully in defense of Maine's marriage law before Tuesday's referendum. The law was repealed in a vote of 53 percent to 47 percent. "President Obama missed an opportunity to state his position against these discriminatory attacks with the clarity and moral imperative that would have helped in this close fight," said Evan Wolfson of the national advocacy group Freedom to Marry. "The anti-gay forces are throwing millions of dollars into various unsubtle ads aimed at scaring people, so subtle statements from the White House are not enough." The White House, asked about the criticism, had no immediate comment. The marriage debate is simmering in at least a half-dozen states where a same-sex marriage bill is pending or where a court ruling or existing law is being eyed by conservatives for possible challenge. Had Maine's law been upheld by voters, it would have become the sixth state to legalize gay marriage — and the first to affirm it by popular vote. In Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Iowa, gay marriage resulted from court decisions or legislation. California is sure to be a major battleground over the next several years. Last year, conservatives succeeded in winning public approval of Proposition 8, which overturned a state court ruling allowing gay marriage. Gay rights groups want to take the issue back to the voters but are divided on a timetable. In the aftermath of the Maine vote, some California activists appealed to their supporters for money to help them put a measure on the 2010 ballot. Other activist leaders want to wait until 2012. "It's never too early to go back to right a fundamental wrong," said Chaz Lowe of Yes! on Equality, who favors shooting for 2010. "A lot of people are angry, a lot of people are upset. It at least has the potential to be a mobilization for the grass roots." Some California activists said the outcome in Maine strengthened their belief that it will fall to the U.S. Supreme Court — not the voters — to make gay marriage legal. A federal lawsuit challenging Prop. 8 is scheduled to go to trial in January, the first step in a legal journey that is expected to reach the high court in a few years. "The results in Maine underscore exactly why we are challenging California's same-sex marriage ban," said Chad Griffin, president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, the Los Angeles group spearheading the lawsuit. "The U.S. Constitution guarantees equal rights to every American, and when those rights are violated, it is the role of our courts to protect us, regardless of what the polls say." The situation elsewhere: # In New Jersey, the election Tuesday of Republican Chris Christie as governor puts extra pressure on gay rights supporters to win passage of a pending same-sex marriage bill before the legislative session ends in January. Christie says he would veto such a bill, while lame-duck Gov. Jon Corzine, a Democrat, says he would sign it. # In Iowa, where the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage last April, conservatives have no quick way to overturn the ruling. Their only option would be to amend the state constitution through a ballot measure — in 2014 at the earliest — and that effort would need approval from a legislature whose current Democratic leaders don't even want to debate the issue. # In New Hampshire, conservatives have filed legislation to repeal the state's new gay-marriage law and amend the constitution to ban such unions. Kevin Smith, executive director of the conservative Cornerstone Policy Research, said he doubts the measures will pass, but hopes the vote in Maine will give gay-marriage opponents ammunition for the 2010 elections. "It gives us more fodder to go back to people and say, 'Look, they aren't letting you vote on it,'" Smith said. # In Washington, D.C., conservatives are trying to force a popular vote on a bill headed toward City Council approval that would legalize gay marriage. Michael Crawford, one of the leaders of the local pro-gay marriage campaign, said the result in Maine increased his determination to avoid a ballot measure. "The same cabal of anti-gay groups who stripped away marriage equality from our families in California and Maine now have their sights on D.C.," he said. Crawford was among numerous gay rights leaders complaining about the campaign tactics of the groups that opposed same-sex marriage in Maine and California. In both states, California-based political strategist Frank Schubert oversaw an advertising campaign warning that "homosexual marriage" would be taught in public schools. The campaign to defend gay marriage countered that Maine's state curriculum guidelines contain no reference to marriage, and the state's Democratic attorney general, Janet Mills, issued an opinion backing that up. But the ads continued. "It is infuriating to see that the same fear-mongering ads that were used to pass Prop. 8 a year ago have triumphed again at the expense of so many," said Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay rights group. Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, came away with a different message. "Over and over again, the American people have affirmed marriage at the ballot box and turned aside the demands of a movement that remains largely driven by Hollywood, some extreme activists and a few activist judges," he said. "We hope the message sent by Maine's voters will be heard in Washington and state capitals around the nation." © 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #33 November 5, 2009 Quote "President Obama missed an opportunity to state his position against these discriminatory attacks with the clarity and moral imperative that would have helped in this close fight," said Evan Wolfson of the national advocacy group Freedom to Marry. I would have to agree with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #34 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuote>As a conservative, I think it was more important to stand >behind someone with the same values rather than just elect someone >simply because they have an R by their name. If you like. By abandoning the moderates, the GOP dooms themselves for another few years. This was a good example; they gave up a guaranteed win Why does the win matter if she was just going to vote democratic anyway? Would you vote for a democrat that was anti-gay rights, anti-abortion, and anti-stimulus just for the purpose of a D winning? I'd be really surprised and disappointed in anyone who would vote against their own beliefs for the sole purpose of having a 'win.' Quote because a candidate nominated by the GOP wouldn't drink the Kool-Aid. Some people call it values, some call it kool-aid. Potato, Potahto I guess. Why don't you stop drinking the liberal Kool-Aid and start voting for people with conservative values? Oh... cause it's not kool-aid... it's your beliefs... I guess it's only Kool-aid when it's the other side's values in question... QuoteEventually they will tire of losing and start to appeal to independents and moderates again - and they'll recover. A very popular argument as to why the party is in shambles is because they wandered too far from their base. And as for losing... yesterday didn't exactly go wrong for the Republicans. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #35 November 5, 2009 >All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #36 November 5, 2009 >Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #37 November 5, 2009 Quote>All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. If they are, then people who believe the exact opposite could also be considered extremists... and I'm sure you wouldn't dare call yourself a liberal extremist would you? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #38 November 5, 2009 Quote>Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. She dropped out on her own. Does that mean she's fucking herself in the ass? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #39 November 5, 2009 >Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and >doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. Of course; those alone do not make one an extremist. However, when a republican candidate in a VERY conservative area is considered too conservative to be elected, and instead even republicans vote for the democratic candidate - chances are he's pretty far to the right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 November 5, 2009 Quote>Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and >doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. Of course; those alone do not make one an extremist. However, when a republican candidate in a VERY conservative area is considered too conservative to be elected, and instead even republicans vote for the democratic candidate - chances are he's pretty far to the right. Where would that be, Bill? I know you're not talking about NY23, because if Hoffman had been 'too conservative to be elected', he wouldn't have gotten 45% of the vote.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #41 November 5, 2009 Quote>All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Nope, they only mean something in your lefty definitions. A ploy my man and nothing more"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #42 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuote>Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. She dropped out on her own. Does that mean she's fucking herself in the ass? She dropped out because of the Obama deal, which we have yet to see what she won, IF, they pay up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #43 November 5, 2009 Quote >Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. It it walks, talks and smells? Dude, she bought a deal cause she was a looser. She only had the chance because the leadership of that state looks, walks, and smells the same. Conservatives said enough. we don't want to be Dem Light no more. Moderates that are liked by those who look, walk and smell like you and like you like are no different than you. So, what was alienated was a lib. And that my left leaning friend is as it should be. NOT how YOU want it to beAnd I like it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #44 November 5, 2009 Quote>All of the papers I've read said she wasn't moderate. She was left of >the liberals. Wow, she's even getting thrown under the bus here. The GOP really does eat their dead. If she really was that liberal, the question is - why did the GOP committee nominate her in the first place? My suspicion is that they saw her as someone who would represent them well and be a competitive candidate. But when the real leaders of the GOP heard about it (Beck, Limbaugh etc) they did what they do best - scream as loud as they could. And the GOP discovered they really didn't have a spine, and dumped her for a more extremist candidate. Who, of course, lost. Indicating that even republicans thought he was too extremist. Today Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 November 5, 2009 QuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. As compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: QuoteJane Hamsher, founder of the liberal political blog firedoglake, noted that it is freshmen and sophomore Democrats who won by narrow margins in 2006 and 2008, who "are scared" of losing their seats in 2010. "I would suggest that appealing to Republican interests is not the best way to turn out Democrats," Hamsher said. "It is just a fact of life. They have to turn out Democrats." Gee, what happened to that whole "big tent" thing? Or was that only supposed to be applicable to the Reps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #46 November 5, 2009 QuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. QuoteAs compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: So you agree then, Hannity and crew are far more radical than even Newt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. QuoteAs compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: So you agree then, Hannity and crew are far more radical than even Newt. *re-reads prior post* Nope, can't see where I said that - sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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billvon 3,120 #35 November 5, 2009 >All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 November 5, 2009 >Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #37 November 5, 2009 Quote>All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. If they are, then people who believe the exact opposite could also be considered extremists... and I'm sure you wouldn't dare call yourself a liberal extremist would you? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #38 November 5, 2009 Quote>Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. She dropped out on her own. Does that mean she's fucking herself in the ass? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 November 5, 2009 >Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and >doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. Of course; those alone do not make one an extremist. However, when a republican candidate in a VERY conservative area is considered too conservative to be elected, and instead even republicans vote for the democratic candidate - chances are he's pretty far to the right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 November 5, 2009 Quote>Someone who doesn't support gay marriage, is anti-abortion, and >doesn't like the stimulus is not an extermist. Of course; those alone do not make one an extremist. However, when a republican candidate in a VERY conservative area is considered too conservative to be elected, and instead even republicans vote for the democratic candidate - chances are he's pretty far to the right. Where would that be, Bill? I know you're not talking about NY23, because if Hoffman had been 'too conservative to be elected', he wouldn't have gotten 45% of the vote.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 November 5, 2009 Quote>All you lefties need to stop trying to define the republican party. And all you right wing extremists need to stop alienating all the moderates. Nope, they only mean something in your lefty definitions. A ploy my man and nothing more"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuote>Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. She dropped out on her own. Does that mean she's fucking herself in the ass? She dropped out because of the Obama deal, which we have yet to see what she won, IF, they pay up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 November 5, 2009 Quote >Really? Putting almost a million dollars (900k, if I recall correctly) in >her warchest is 'fucking her up the ass'? No. Dropping her like a rotten fish when Beck and Limbaugh started whining about her is fucking her up the ass. But feel free to keep doing just that. It it walks, talks and smells? Dude, she bought a deal cause she was a looser. She only had the chance because the leadership of that state looks, walks, and smells the same. Conservatives said enough. we don't want to be Dem Light no more. Moderates that are liked by those who look, walk and smell like you and like you like are no different than you. So, what was alienated was a lib. And that my left leaning friend is as it should be. NOT how YOU want it to beAnd I like it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #44 November 5, 2009 Quote>All of the papers I've read said she wasn't moderate. She was left of >the liberals. Wow, she's even getting thrown under the bus here. The GOP really does eat their dead. If she really was that liberal, the question is - why did the GOP committee nominate her in the first place? My suspicion is that they saw her as someone who would represent them well and be a competitive candidate. But when the real leaders of the GOP heard about it (Beck, Limbaugh etc) they did what they do best - scream as loud as they could. And the GOP discovered they really didn't have a spine, and dumped her for a more extremist candidate. Who, of course, lost. Indicating that even republicans thought he was too extremist. Today Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 November 5, 2009 QuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. As compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: QuoteJane Hamsher, founder of the liberal political blog firedoglake, noted that it is freshmen and sophomore Democrats who won by narrow margins in 2006 and 2008, who "are scared" of losing their seats in 2010. "I would suggest that appealing to Republican interests is not the best way to turn out Democrats," Hamsher said. "It is just a fact of life. They have to turn out Democrats." Gee, what happened to that whole "big tent" thing? Or was that only supposed to be applicable to the Reps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 November 5, 2009 QuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. QuoteAs compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: So you agree then, Hannity and crew are far more radical than even Newt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 November 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteToday Hannity had Newt on and Hannity chided Newt over his endorsement of her. Case in point; keep listening to teh radical whacks, R electorate. QuoteAs compared to the oh-so-accepting Dems, of course: So you agree then, Hannity and crew are far more radical than even Newt. *re-reads prior post* Nope, can't see where I said that - sorry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
