GOP victory Tuesday won't erase party's problems

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trailers, acft structure = same thing

Please show where I said that.

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Where'e the conspiracy, my party has more representation than we've had since teh 1960's - I think you have the sour grapes.

Your party? Which one would that be? You must not pay attention or just outright ignore information given you because, as I've said many times, I don't side with any one party over another.

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Just because I made you reveal how silly you look as a trailer mechganic trying to pass as an acft structure specialist doesn't mean I think I'm any of those. Now go get a job as a wanna be trailer enginner. Really hard to fuck up designing something with no engine and the aerodynamics of a building. And still you work fast food, no, I don;t want fries with that.

I'm glad you have resorted to PAs. Classic example of what happens when the facts don't back up your argument.

But watching you squirm is very entertaining.

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No, the lft will infight. I can go to a DNC rally and be pro-guns and really not get into a pissing contest, you couldn't go into an RNC rally and oppose gun w/o the music stopping and people treating you like a lepper.

RIIIGHT!!!!!

The funniest thing here is you look at the extreme of the R party and try to act like it is the norm for the whole party, yet you look only at the moderates of the D party and act like they are the norm.

Like I said... there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

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(1) 2002-2006 were actually pretty good economic times. Probably too good.

You'd be laughed out,not burned. 2002 wasn't that good, all the jobs lost - not good. 2004-2006 were great, all that stolen mortgage money was out there that we're now paying for. But still tax receipts weren't that good even then.

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(2) The federal government should cede significant authority to the individual states;

They would ask you why? They would refer to to many issues that states have/could fuckup and ask you why.

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(3) It's okay for a person to spend her own money how she wants to spend it;

Yes and it's ok and legal for the US gov to tax as tehy deem fit. No arguement, what you're really saying is that 99% of taxes shouldn't be - diff issue.

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(4) Anti-trust exemptions should be eliminated;

I think we all agree upon that.

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(5) Free speech is more important that sensitivity.

You're a lwyer, you don't know that free speech has to be minimzed? So the Klan wants to go downtown and protest the N******? That's good? Well, we had a riot and burned the town down, but mother liberty is smiling.

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(6) Responsibility for one's actions is merited, and blaming others for one's choices is unacceptable:

So who isn't for accountability?

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(7) "from each according to his means to others according their lack thereof" is operant conditioning that is straining the economy;

A roundabout way of saying, "Tax cuts, mt friends" helps the economy? I will ask again, show me a major fedral tax cut that has helped the economy.

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(8) Republicans are not evil;

No, just stupid

Seriously, Cheney = pure evil, GWB just dirt dumb. GWHB = a hero, great American and really descent guy. So ya see, they run the gammut.

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(9) Business owners are not evil;

Business owners are great for the most part.

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(10) Etc.

Now that we'll burn you at the stake for.

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Neither the GOP nor the Dems have a monopoly on hate and intolerance. Neither has a monopoly on inclusiveness.

Uhhhhhhh, yea. When you are in a position of control and chose to be more humane, that defines a descent person. When you're in a position of power and you do self-serving things that result in others destruction, you're evil. The Dems, es the ones who are finacially set, are trying to get HC to the poor and MC masses; that is honorable, the opposition something

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What's more, the GOP's ranks are thinning: Only 32 percent of respondents called themselves Republicans in a recent AP-GfK survey compared with 43 percent who called themselves Democrats.

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Good lucky, righties - you'll need it.

Why the hell are you so damned terrified? Isn't it odd that you point to thinning ranks in a political party while mentioning that the same party may pick up wins against the opposition party?

The GOP losing members is not a problem for Dems unless Dems are losing them more quickly.

If the GOP gains seats, any argument you can try about how they're losing power is objectively falsifiable.

I'm not worried, just pointing out, once again, the right is failing

The right is gaining seats... so they're failing...

Only you could tie those two things together.

And only you could think winning *some* of the Governor seats is a win. Esp since you couldn't even hold Charlotte.

umm yes. generally speaking, i consider a win to be a win.

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What's more, the GOP's ranks are thinning: Only 32 percent of respondents called themselves Republicans in a recent AP-GfK survey compared with 43 percent who called themselves Democrats.

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Good lucky, righties - you'll need it.

Why the hell are you so damned terrified? Isn't it odd that you point to thinning ranks in a political party while mentioning that the same party may pick up wins against the opposition party?

The GOP losing members is not a problem for Dems unless Dems are losing them more quickly.

If the GOP gains seats, any argument you can try about how they're losing power is objectively falsifiable.

I'm not worried, just pointing out, once again, the right is failing

The right is gaining seats... so they're failing...

Only you could tie those two things together.

And only you could think winning *some* of the Governor seats is a win. Esp since you couldn't even hold Charlotte.

umm yes. generally speaking, i consider a win to be a win.

Yea and a loss is a loss, as with Charlotte.

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What part of "Courtesy of Rasmussen" did you have trouble understanding?

What part of, cite your link, do you have trouble with? Are you immune to posting a link? Are we supposed to scour Rasmussen hping to find WTF you're talking about?

Also, why didn't you address my post? Runnin like the wind....

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What part of "Courtesy of Rasmussen" did you have trouble understanding?

What part of, cite your link, do you have trouble with? Are you immune to posting a link? Are we supposed to scour Rasmussen hping to find WTF you're talking about?

Also, why didn't you address my post? Runnin like the wind....

Done crying now? Here's a tissue.

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>So the Republicans pick up seats, and the Dems loose seats, yet the
>Republican party is in trouble?

Nope - by that angle they are doing well. By this angle, not so well:

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Republicans’ approval ratings worst in 25 years

By Raw Story
Friday, October 23rd, 2009

Republicans approval ratings worst in 25 years

They got rid of scandal-tainted Majority Leader Tom DeLay, airport shoe-tapper Larry Craig and prurient instant message typer Mark Foley, but they just can't seem to shake the gloom.

Congressional Republicans scored just 36 percent approval ratings from the American public in a CNN/Opinion Research poll released Friday.

Fifty-four percent of Americans viewed Republicans in Congress unfavorably, while 41 percent said they were rankled by Democrats. Democrats had a 53 percent approval rating to Republicans' 36.
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I would be interested in seeing CNN sampling when they conducted this poll. Is it possible the Dems sampled was a larger percentage than the Reps? Just asking

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Nope - by that angle they are doing well. By this angle, not so well:

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Republicans’ approval ratings worst in 25 years

And by this angle the Dems are not doing well:

Poll: Florida independent voters moving to right
A recent poll has shown that independent voters, who seemed to favor Democrats last year, are now siding more with Republicans.

Independent voters are more likely to side with Republicans than with Democrats on issues facing Floridians, according to a poll conducted for The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times.

Whether it's opposing a so-called ``public option'' for government-run health insurance, supporting oil drilling or a general feeling that the nation is on the wrong track, independents are proving a key ally for conservatives.

The more conservative sentiment is a reversal from a year ago, when Herald/Times polls showed that independents leaned more Democratic.

Chief reasons for the public-opinion turnaround, according to poll respondents and pollsters: the rough economy and President Barack Obama's difficulty in quickly living up to his campaign slogan, hope and change.

``The Obama administration made a lot of promises that it can't execute on right now,'' said Carlton Hughes, a 31-year-old independent voter and poll respondent from Punta Gorda. ``With the economy the way it is, we're shelling out a lot of money on a federal basis on programs that we're not sure will work. Who has been stimulated by this stimulus bill?''

I think the above is being overlooked by our friends on the left. They whinned and sneered at the tea baggers and could not comprehend that a large portion of them were independent middle American voters coming home to roost. It will be the independent voters who make the difference. They thought BHO Tan was the answer to Chimpy Bush at the time, but they realize he is here to take us down the road to Socialism, and they want no part of that. So many of them, particularly older vets, are kicking themselves black and blue for voting for "change".

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ANd then there's the NY Congressional result to think about.

www.csmonitor.com/2009/1104/p09s01-coop.html

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ANd then there's the NY Congressional result to think about.

www.csmonitor.com/2009/1104/p09s01-coop.html

This is a dress rehearsal, and mistakes were made. Its no secret they blew this one.

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I would be interested in seeing CNN sampling when they conducted this poll. Is it possible the Dems sampled was a larger percentage than the Reps? Just asking

The CNN poll was 1018 adults (952 registered voters) with a +/- 3% margin. Dems ahead 50 / 44.

Note - this is a poll from 10/26 - 11/1, not the earlier one that Bill mentions - numbers may be slightly different.

Real Clear Politics average polling shows Dem 46.3, Rep 41.7 (+4.6 Dem).

Rasmussen shows 38 Dem / 42 Rep (3500 likely voters, +/- 1% margin, 95% confidence)

Gallup shows Dem 46 / Rep 44 (952 registered voters).

Real Clear Politics also makes a comment on placement of questions within the polls:

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Good pollsters will generally ask their horse race questions toward the beginning of the poll. This is because "policy preference" questions or questions involving other political figures can ultimately skew the result of a later horse race question, by unintentionally leading readers to view the horse race in a certain frame. ABC/WaPo asks the horse race question as question 18. CBS asks it after some thirty-odd questions. And both pollsters ask the horse race question after a bunch of questions about a very particular policy topic: health care! This is understandable since it's the hot issue of the day, but its also an issue where Democrats typically hold an advantage in the public mind. This in turn probably left respondents somewhat more primed to answer "Democrat" than they would otherwise be. Additionally, the questions about Obama (who is generally regarded somewhat more favorably than "generic Democrat") probably have some priming effects as well.

In other words, if you are asking which pollsters have it right, I'd probably put my money on Gallup-Rasmussen rather than ABC/WaPo-CBS.

Nothing like some 'prep questions' to skew the results, eh?

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And only you could think winning *some* of the Governor seats is a win.

I thought I'd come back and touch on this... I'll even give you the link so you can't whine about not being able to find it.

From MSNBC (of all places - I wonder who dug up the info to force the correction?)

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On MSNBC's "Andrea Mitchell Reports," White House adviser David Axelrod today argued that it would be wrong to read too much into last night's GOP gubernatorial wins in New Jersey and Virginia -- and what they might mean for next year's midterm elections.

And if you read us earlier this morning, Axelrod does seem to have a point.

But looking back at First Read's coverage the day after the 2005 New Jersey and Virginia contests, we had forgotten that Rahm Emanuel -- then chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and now White House chief of staff -- had called us to argue the very point Republicans are now making: that the two gubernatorial contests say something about the upcoming midterms.

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(1) 2002-2006 were actually pretty good economic times. Probably too good.

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Tax receipts were through the roof - especially for state and local governments.

2002 was when the economy was recovering from about 2 years of serious malaise. And yeah - 2004-2006 were too good.

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(2) The federal government should cede significant authority to the individual states;

They would ask you why? They would refer to to many issues that states have/could fuckup and ask you why.

So if a state fucks it up, it's just that state. When the feds fuck it up it's the whole damned country. For example, see Tennessee health care. If a state wants to socialize healthcare they can do it! If kentucky doesn't then they don't have to.

Of course Dems have problems wirh that. They want the feds to control everything - unless the GOP is in charge.

It's why I ask whether you would want GWB to run your healthcare system.


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(3) It's okay for a person to spend her own money how she wants to spend it;

Yes and it's ok and legal for the US gov to tax as tehy deem fit. No arguement, what you're really saying is that 99% of taxes shouldn't be - diff issue.

As you said, the feds can't let people mess up. Yes, it is legal for the government to tax incomed and has been for about 100 years.


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(4) Anti-trust exemptions should be eliminated;

I think we all agree upon that.

It would destroy unions. Still in favor of it?


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(5) Free speech is more important that sensitivity.

You're a lwyer, you don't know that free speech has to be minimzed? So the Klan wants to go downtown and protest the N******? That's good? Well, we had a riot and burned the town down, but mother liberty is smiling.

Yep. And the Klan should pay dearly.

Seems that that reasoning supports arresting MLK for insurrection and inciting riots. We know there were riots because the police brought out the water hoses.

Great thinking. Just imagine what happens when you aren't in charge and your ideas are deemed a threat.


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(6) Responsibility for one's actions is merited, and blaming others for one's choices is unacceptable:

So who isn't for accountability?

Hmm. Things like 300% of the record deficit being Bush's fault.

Things like slavery causing african americans to be in worse socioeconomic shape and less educated now than 50 yars ago.

We find it from individuals and especislly groups. The KKK is around because of blame. And both parties support it in one way or another. Hence, you'll blame the KKK for riots and not the rioters. Intolerance will not be tolerated.


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(7) "from each according to his means to others according their lack thereof" is operant conditioning that is straining the economy;

A roundabout way of saying, "Tax cuts, mt friends" helps the economy? I will ask again, show me a major fedral tax cut that has helped the economy.

It's called the Bailout Principle. No matter how badly you fuck up or why, the government will cover you. Why am I covering AIG? Because you think it's fine to resitribute wealth.

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(8) Republicans are not evil;

No, just stupid

Seriously, Cheney = pure evil, GWB just dirt dumb. GWHB = a hero, great American and really descent guy. So ya see, they run the gammut.

Same as Democrats - only Democrats think they're smarter than everyone else.

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(9) Business owners are not evil;

Business owners are great for the most part.

Right. Most parasites appreciate their hosts. And democrats seem to really like to be king tapeworm to the business community.

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Neither the GOP nor the Dems have a monopoly on hate and intolerance. Neither has a monopoly on inclusiveness.

Uhhhhhhh, yea. When you are in a position of control and chose to be more humane, that defines a descent person. When you're in a position of power and you do self-serving things that result in others destruction, you're evil. The Dems, es the ones who are finacially set, are trying to get HC to the poor and MC masses; that is honorable, the opposition something

The other way of looking at it is taking from others. That's what HC is about. Anytime you want to give something it means you have to take it from someone.

To you it's justifiable. To me it's abhorrent.

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ANd then there's the NY Congressional result to think about.

The key being here, "That Scozzafava's late decision to drop out and endorse the Democrat helped seal Hoffman's close defeat "

If Scozzafava had not gotten her feeling hurts and basically flipped parties the outcome would have been different.

The fact that even with the flip that it was a close race says plenty about that race.

The funniest thing is how some are trying to claim that past elections where the Dems won seat was a "referendum", but when the Dems LOSE seats it means nothing.

That's quite a double standard.

Me??? I tend to think that the independents were swayed to Obama for several reasons:

1. He was not Bush.
2. The economy was in trouble (even though anyone with any economic background would claim it was all one party's fault).
3. Dislike of the *continued* wars. The majority of the US supported the invasion, but the support drops the longer we are there.

Basically it is much more difficult to defend than attack and Bush and the R's had been in power 8 years.

Anyone that wants to assume that this past election is a referendum... Is just as deluded as those that claimed the earlier ones.... History shows that the part that has the WH tends to lose the middle elections.

Why did the independent voters "Switch"?

1. Some like a balance of power... I know people that vote the opposite as their only criteria.
2. Some who thought to give the D's a chance don't like what they have seen and see this as a way to balance out things.

Plus, the party in power never gets the same turnout as the party out of power.... It is very difficult to get people who just won to show back up, but it is easy to get people who lost and are pissed to show back up.

Independents decide elections and the party in power is always the underdog in other than Presidential elections.

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