loumeinhart 0 #76 November 4, 2009 If you're saying that the private sector comes to the government for handouts that's a smack in the nuts to all of the folks who have tried and succeeded or failed at a small/mid sized business. 90% of new restaurants fail in the first year. Do any of them go the govt? Another thing people seem to forget, All big evil corporations started as small businesses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #77 November 4, 2009 QuoteYour point is that the private sector couldn't go to the moon, right? My point was that the private sector didn't go to the moon, but the government did. All I needed was one counterexample to effectively refute your assertion that "The private sector is always one step ahead of the government."Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #78 November 4, 2009 QuoteWhich private company first landed on the moon? That's a great example but you will never ever ever go to the moon. You do however (I'm guessing) drive a car, use a cell phone, eat processed food, skydive, buy clothes, and use soap. Now Kallend will probably challenge me on this and correlate some previous government program that magically allowed all of this to happen. I however, believe that free enterprise and competion in all facets of business creates a better and more affordable product advancing technology at the same time. I was 10yrs old in 1990, when my uncle called Ohio from California we had to line up at the phone and each got 1 minute talk. Communications was that expensive. I don't recall a government program blasting "Ordinary American's deserve to be able to talk to their loved ones without paying an arm and a leg!" That would be like "Ordinary American's don't deserve to have to pay $2500 for lasik!" Instead, the communication industry thrived, competed, succeeded, failed, and the result(s) is a very affordable cell phone/service. Guess what some of the poorest minorities in the most impovrished areas own? That's right! .... a CELL PHONE! Who had a car phone in the 80's? Don Johnson :) I bought my phone from apple, not the government. My car is a GM though..... Way to get off topic though uhh? haha I think Billvon is right, subsidies will end and taxes at the pump mauy increase beyond 40%. That's seriously scary. Add up what you paid for in gas in 2009, multiply by .4, then call DC ask them what they're doing with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #79 November 4, 2009 My point was that the private sector didn't go to the moon, but the government did. All I needed was one counterexample to effectively refute your assertion that "The private sector is always one step ahead of the government." Quote OK but the parts were all designed and manufactured by private sector companies. Do you think the government knows how to repave an onramp? No, they hire a private (or publicly traded) company to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #80 November 4, 2009 >That's a great example but you will never ever ever go to the moon. >You do however (I'm guessing) drive a car, use a cell phone, eat >processed food, skydive, buy clothes, and use soap. All those are good examples, and most are examples of how _both_ government and private industry work together to make such things possible. >I however, believe that free enterprise and competion in all facets >of business creates a better and more affordable product advancing >technology at the same time. It is indeed. Unfortunately, unbridled capitalism has also led to some of the worst excesses and abuses in our history. Again, a good example of how both are important. > Add up what you paid for in gas in 2009, multiply by .4, then call DC > ask them what they're doing with it! Well, it's more effective to call your state government, since they levy most gas taxes. Here in CA 44 cents a gallon goes to the state and 18 cents a gallon goes to DC. (Which is 20% not 40%) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #81 November 4, 2009 QuoteI however, believe that free enterprise and competion in all facets of business creates a better and more affordable product advancing technology at the same time. I've seen way too many examples of business being blinded by short term profits at the expense of the going concern. Most American businesses aren't willing to make large investments that won't show a return for decades. Nonetheless, such investments can provide important benefits for society.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #82 November 4, 2009 QuoteYou do however (I'm guessing) drive a car, use a cell phone, eat processed food, skydive, buy clothes, and use soap. Now Kallend will probably challenge me on this and correlate some previous government program that magically allowed all of this to happen. didn't the emerging sport of skydiving in the 60s rely heavily on military surplus for gear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #83 November 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou do however (I'm guessing) drive a car, use a cell phone, eat processed food, skydive, buy clothes, and use soap. Now Kallend will probably challenge me on this and correlate some previous government program that magically allowed all of this to happen. didn't the emerging sport of skydiving in the 60s rely heavily on military surplus for gear? Sure, military gear largely developed and manufatured by private corps on the dime of the taxpayers. SO it really takes both, only thing is we have an abundance of corporations running things now. It really takes both gov and private sector with neither getting too much control, we now have too much corporate control, let's empower the gov to take the country back. How do we do it? Higher taxes and more regulation. The other has been treid and we see how it's worked out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #84 November 4, 2009 QuoteIf you're saying that the private sector comes to the government for handouts that's a smack in the nuts to all of the folks who have tried and succeeded or failed at a small/mid sized business. 90% of new restaurants fail in the first year. Do any of them go the govt? 10% success rate for private sector businesses doesn't seem like a great thing to brag about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #85 November 5, 2009 Quotewe now have too much corporate control That's a huge statement. You need to back that up. Please give me an example of "Corporate Control" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #86 November 5, 2009 Quote10% success rate for private sector businesses doesn't seem like a great thing to brag about Not bragging. Fact is 10% (+/-) restaurants survive their first year. It would be great if a higher percentage existed but that's not condusive to competition. The consumers dictate that number. If you'd like a higher percentage of success in the food industry then pass a bill that requires consumers to spend money at a different restaurant every time they dine out, regardless of their preference... Right? Open up a shit restaurant with shitty service and a kitchen odor. Is it fair that you be allowed to fail? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
