Lucky... 0 #76 November 4, 2009 Quote You said carb ice starts at 20F. You did not state significant carb ice starts at 20F. You did not say one did not need to be too concerned about carb ice below 20F. You stated carb ice starts at 20F. That statement is wrong unless you are talking about a very specific set of environmental and atmospheric conditions. You did not mention anything about specific environmental and atmospheric conditions therefor your statement that carb ice starts at 20F was wrong. Face it. Admit it. Get over it. That depends upon what the defintion of, "is" is. You can take any argument to ridiculous extremes and you have. IT'S ON THE FUCKING PRIVATE PILOT EXAM, but you say no. For all intents and purposes, ice starts at 20 degrees F, the FAA PP exams focus on that number. If I had clarified and said ice is most prevalent from 20 to 70, you would have replied by saying I didn't clarify that it s/b 50% humidity. If I included that you would have said I didn't specify the dew point. If I had, you would have looked for a typo. You had some sissy 20 degree timed turn that wasn't even correct, 20 degrees is only 1 aspect of it, but it's a round number so I won't be a loser and say that actually it's 18 degrees or perhaps 22. You can argue anything out of relevance and into futility, and you do well at it, the point is that you threw the number, "20 degrees" out there, so a recip pilot will normally think survival and think you are refering to probable ice conditions. An ATP of 737's might think turns, but we weren't talking that. Remember, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, and remember, ice can be present any time, an temp, no specific conditions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #77 November 4, 2009 ***Yes, carb icing and stalls can happen at any time Yep, any attitude Yep, any airspeedYep, any tempNope, any humidityNope, any time of day or nightYep, but tehy have prevalencies and THOSE ARE WHAT YOU REFER TO, EVEN ON THE FAA WRITTEN Why do you keep making stupid comments? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #78 November 4, 2009 Why are you changing this to a political discussion? You said in your original post that carb ice starts at 20F. You did not say that for all intents and purposes carb ice starts at 20. If you had I would have agreed with you 100%. Butt thet ain't wut u sed. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #79 November 4, 2009 Quote Why are you changing this to a political discussion? You said in your original post that carb ice starts at 20F. You did not say that for all intents and purposes carb ice starts at 20. If you had I would have agreed with you 100%. Butt thet ain't wut u sed. I'm not, I'm likening your form of argumentation to that of Clinton when he was caught with his pants down. Quit being the forum Clinton. Uh, er, 20 degrees, oh shit, I was thinking of some silly turn, uh, er, let's see.....I know I can split a hair. Dude, it's on the FAA PP written. I could see you arguing with the administrator of that test over semantic details and getting tossed. Again, I won't be a tool and try to argue that your 20 degree misstep of a turn wasn't on the money, it was a generalization, but tat's ok, that's how I roll. You have different rules. those which don't pertain to this society/planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #80 November 4, 2009 Quote ***Yes, carb icing and stalls can happen at any time Yep, any attitude Yep, any airspeedYep, any tempNope, any humidityNope, any time of day or nightYep, but tehy have prevalencies and THOSE ARE WHAT YOU REFER TO, EVEN ON THE FAA WRITTEN Why do you keep making stupid comments? Why are you unable to see exageration to illustrate your, "That depends on what the defintion of, "is" is. Why haven't you done that to your 20 degree timed turn mess, that really isn't 20 degrees, it varies but they call it that because it's a common language? 20 degrees for a PP would spark, in most PP's, the idea that ice is more likley; IT'S ON THE FUCKING FAA WRITTEN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #81 November 4, 2009 Quote Again, I won't be a tool and try to argue that your 20 degree misstep of a turn wasn't on the money, it was a generalization, Exactly. And I stated when i gave the answer that it depends on airspeed and other factors. I figured (wrongly) that somebody who claimed to be a pilot would recognize 20 degrees as being the bank angle for a standard rate turn in a Cessna 152 & 172, two aircraft that most pilots have trained in over the last 30 years. The FAA exam asks for what temp. range one can anticipate carb icing, not what temp ranges it actually can occur in. Again, just so we are clear, you stated carb ice starts at 20F. You were wrong. When backpedaling you really should cover your tracks better. It is very obvious. Next issue.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites