warpedskydiver 0 #1 October 30, 2009 CDC: Up to 6 million swine flu cases in few months By MIKE STOBBE, AP Thu Oct 29, 5:45 PM EDT As many as 5.7 million Americans were infected with swine flu during the first few months of the pandemic, according to estimates from federal health officials. Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that between 1.8 million and 5.7 million Americans were infected from mid-April through July 23. The figures are the CDC's most specific calculation to date. They also estimated that between 9,000 and 21,000 hospitalizations occurred during that time. The estimates are in a CDC publication, Emerging Infectious Diseases, and were posted on the journal's Web site this week. To come up with the numbers, the scientists assumed that most people infected with swine had only mild illnesses and did not get medical care or get tested. For every confirmed case, they estimated that probably 80 others occurred. And for every confirmed hospitalization, there were probably three others. Rates of testing and hospitalization have dropped since the pandemic began, so the same calculation couldn't be done for cases since late July. For that reason, CDC officials are saying simply that "many millions" of Americans have been infected to date, the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat said at a press conference Thursday in Atlanta. Schuchat also provided an update on a shortage of the children's version of the drug Tamiflu, a first-line treatment for swine flu. The shortage first emerged last month. Since then, the federal government has released 300,000 pediatric Tamiflu doses to the states from a national medicine stockpile. The shortage occurred because the drug's manufacturer, Switzerland-based Roche Holdings, decided to focus production on adult-strength capsules as it dealt with increasing demand for the medication. Though there are scattered shortages of pediatric doses, adult-strength Tamiflu pills are in good supply and pharmacies can turn them into a Tamiflu syrup for children, said Schuchat, who heads the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. ___ On the Net: CDC journal: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 October 30, 2009 Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. These people are no better than retards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #3 October 30, 2009 QuoteHey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Quote My understanding is that is what's happening now. Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms has the swine flu , no reason to test. Kinda strange that the live virus vaccine was introduced first. You've seen the video of kids getting it up the nose. Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Let's trot that bad boy out ! Give it to the snot noses. Then it won't be long before the I don't want mercury and squalene in my veign crowd are singin' a different tune. But it hasn't worked And now the media is once again reporting what the government tells them instead of investigating . The gov't wants you to line up and take their vaccination. Get in line prols. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #4 October 30, 2009 According to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, of which only 11 cases out of 4,855 where influenza B. If you bothered to research before you posted you wouldn't sound so stoopid. Why is it always Obama's fault with you? Is it his fault that swine flu occurred? Do you think it was his idea to come up with the scheme to estimate how many cases went undiagnosed? Come on. you can do better./ Quote Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) Influenza A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) Influenza A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) Influenza A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Influenza A (H3) 0 (0.0%) Influenza A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #5 October 30, 2009 QuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #6 October 30, 2009 QuoteWhy is it always Obama's fault with you? Is it his fault that swine flu occurred? Do you think it was his idea to come up with the scheme to estimate how many cases went undiagnosed? Come on. you can do better./ No, I really don't think they can. Perhaps you didn't see the other article where the Democrats were blamed because that girl was gang raped in CA.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildcard451 0 #7 October 30, 2009 I've seen 120 confirmed +ve flus in the last week. All H1N1. Seasonal has not started here yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #8 October 30, 2009 http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... Edited to add: This information was posted previously but obviously not read and/or understood. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #9 October 30, 2009 Quotehttp://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... I don't care about Obama / Bush. Those politics aren't my concern. Now since you are such the *health researcher/ truth seeker* ,karenmeal, how about getting back to us all about the live virus we've been seeing stuffed up kids' noses. How long after that nostril vaccine could the little tykes be spreading that swine flue? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #10 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #11 October 30, 2009 Here is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #12 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #13 October 30, 2009 QuoteHere is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. Thanks for the research ,karenmeal, do you know that the government also suggested we purchase DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC to counter a dirty bomb attack? What about "DUCK AND COVER incase of an all out nuclear bombardment? karenmeal, Do you really trust the United States government when it comes to your or your childrens health? And let me ask more precisely ; If a live flu virus is shot up a childs nasal cavity, for what period of time can he/she shed viable virus back out into his surrounding enviroment? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #14 October 30, 2009 Quote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1. Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #16 October 30, 2009 Yes a third weren't subtyped. But if you understood just basic statistics and science, you would understand that you can still conclude that there is a very high likelihood that the remaining third would all be h1n1. As far as actual impact of the swine flu vs. random choking deaths.. there is no question that the swine flu is having a wide influence on people across the country. I work at an outpatient rehabilitation clinic that includes physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. At our clinic we have had cancellation rates of 70% some days due to the flu and on average over the past month or two about 30% cancellation. This is much higher than is normal for this time of year. Due to this, employees have been asked to voluntarily reduce the number of hours they work until census improves. All of the employees received the h1n1 vaccine about a week ago as did the high risk patients that we have. I am hoping in a week or two the infection rate begins to drop in our community with the provision of vaccines. Then we can all go back to working our 40 hours. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #17 October 30, 2009 QuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #18 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people? People who post articles on epidemiology when they know sweet FA about what they are posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #19 October 30, 2009 >Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Right - with the vaccine strain. If you catch the vaccine strain then you become immune. (That's a good thing.) >Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms >has the swine flu , no reason to test. Correct. Sitting in a crowded ER just to get a test, then get told "go home and rest" does you no good and will infect everyone else in the ER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #20 October 30, 2009 >Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Thank God you're not in charge of anything that has to do with public health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 October 30, 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #22 October 30, 2009 I wonder if you or anyone else who is so condescending is a PhD in Epidemiology. My friend I discussed this with is one, he graduated at the top of his class in the late 60's from Emory. He is currently semi retired and working as a consultant to DoD and DHS I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much hysteria and bad statistics. The sample sizes and methodology are flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #23 October 30, 2009 >I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with >a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much >hysteria and bad statistics. And what "hysteria and bad statistics" would I be buying into? This should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff It's not a big damn deal. you were the one hyping "how come they're not even testing for it anymore" my point was that they aren't typing all the influenza-A because it's all H1N1 isn't it all a govt conspiracy? Isn't that your line? They're giving us the disease with the live virus flu shot. We're contagious for 28-days after receiving it right? No it's not a big damn deal. It's only a deal if you're immune or respiratory compromised. My kids had it I've clearly been exposed (3-year old slobber machine) as has my wife. My point (which was missed apparently) is why bother to sub type all of the flu-A positives? They're all H1N1 at this point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #25 October 31, 2009 Quote Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. 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birdshit 0 #4 October 30, 2009 According to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, of which only 11 cases out of 4,855 where influenza B. If you bothered to research before you posted you wouldn't sound so stoopid. Why is it always Obama's fault with you? Is it his fault that swine flu occurred? Do you think it was his idea to come up with the scheme to estimate how many cases went undiagnosed? Come on. you can do better./ Quote Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) Influenza A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) Influenza A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) Influenza A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Influenza A (H3) 0 (0.0%) Influenza A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #5 October 30, 2009 QuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #6 October 30, 2009 QuoteWhy is it always Obama's fault with you? Is it his fault that swine flu occurred? Do you think it was his idea to come up with the scheme to estimate how many cases went undiagnosed? Come on. you can do better./ No, I really don't think they can. Perhaps you didn't see the other article where the Democrats were blamed because that girl was gang raped in CA.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildcard451 0 #7 October 30, 2009 I've seen 120 confirmed +ve flus in the last week. All H1N1. Seasonal has not started here yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #8 October 30, 2009 http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... Edited to add: This information was posted previously but obviously not read and/or understood. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #9 October 30, 2009 Quotehttp://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... I don't care about Obama / Bush. Those politics aren't my concern. Now since you are such the *health researcher/ truth seeker* ,karenmeal, how about getting back to us all about the live virus we've been seeing stuffed up kids' noses. How long after that nostril vaccine could the little tykes be spreading that swine flue? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #10 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #11 October 30, 2009 Here is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #12 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #13 October 30, 2009 QuoteHere is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. Thanks for the research ,karenmeal, do you know that the government also suggested we purchase DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC to counter a dirty bomb attack? What about "DUCK AND COVER incase of an all out nuclear bombardment? karenmeal, Do you really trust the United States government when it comes to your or your childrens health? And let me ask more precisely ; If a live flu virus is shot up a childs nasal cavity, for what period of time can he/she shed viable virus back out into his surrounding enviroment? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #14 October 30, 2009 Quote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1. Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #16 October 30, 2009 Yes a third weren't subtyped. But if you understood just basic statistics and science, you would understand that you can still conclude that there is a very high likelihood that the remaining third would all be h1n1. As far as actual impact of the swine flu vs. random choking deaths.. there is no question that the swine flu is having a wide influence on people across the country. I work at an outpatient rehabilitation clinic that includes physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. At our clinic we have had cancellation rates of 70% some days due to the flu and on average over the past month or two about 30% cancellation. This is much higher than is normal for this time of year. Due to this, employees have been asked to voluntarily reduce the number of hours they work until census improves. All of the employees received the h1n1 vaccine about a week ago as did the high risk patients that we have. I am hoping in a week or two the infection rate begins to drop in our community with the provision of vaccines. Then we can all go back to working our 40 hours. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #17 October 30, 2009 QuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #18 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people? People who post articles on epidemiology when they know sweet FA about what they are posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #19 October 30, 2009 >Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Right - with the vaccine strain. If you catch the vaccine strain then you become immune. (That's a good thing.) >Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms >has the swine flu , no reason to test. Correct. Sitting in a crowded ER just to get a test, then get told "go home and rest" does you no good and will infect everyone else in the ER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #20 October 30, 2009 >Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Thank God you're not in charge of anything that has to do with public health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 October 30, 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #22 October 30, 2009 I wonder if you or anyone else who is so condescending is a PhD in Epidemiology. My friend I discussed this with is one, he graduated at the top of his class in the late 60's from Emory. He is currently semi retired and working as a consultant to DoD and DHS I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much hysteria and bad statistics. The sample sizes and methodology are flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #23 October 30, 2009 >I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with >a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much >hysteria and bad statistics. And what "hysteria and bad statistics" would I be buying into? This should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff It's not a big damn deal. you were the one hyping "how come they're not even testing for it anymore" my point was that they aren't typing all the influenza-A because it's all H1N1 isn't it all a govt conspiracy? Isn't that your line? They're giving us the disease with the live virus flu shot. We're contagious for 28-days after receiving it right? No it's not a big damn deal. It's only a deal if you're immune or respiratory compromised. My kids had it I've clearly been exposed (3-year old slobber machine) as has my wife. My point (which was missed apparently) is why bother to sub type all of the flu-A positives? They're all H1N1 at this point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #25 October 31, 2009 Quote Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. 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pbwing 0 #6 October 30, 2009 QuoteWhy is it always Obama's fault with you? Is it his fault that swine flu occurred? Do you think it was his idea to come up with the scheme to estimate how many cases went undiagnosed? Come on. you can do better./ No, I really don't think they can. Perhaps you didn't see the other article where the Democrats were blamed because that girl was gang raped in CA.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #7 October 30, 2009 I've seen 120 confirmed +ve flus in the last week. All H1N1. Seasonal has not started here yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #8 October 30, 2009 http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... Edited to add: This information was posted previously but obviously not read and/or understood. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #9 October 30, 2009 Quotehttp://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/ Scroll down to "US Virologic Surveillance" and you will find this information: Week 41 No. of specimens tested 12,943 No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) A (H3) 0 (0.0%) A (H1) 0 (0.0%) Influenza B 11 (0.2%) You may notice that for the most recent week that data are available, no other types of influenza A were detected. Close to a third (29.6% + 0.6%) of influenza A results were not subtyped. However, it is unlikely that many or any of those 32.2% of non-subtyped influenza A results would be anything but swine/h1n1 flu. But I'm sure you'll just say that Obama made this stuff up... I don't care about Obama / Bush. Those politics aren't my concern. Now since you are such the *health researcher/ truth seeker* ,karenmeal, how about getting back to us all about the live virus we've been seeing stuffed up kids' noses. How long after that nostril vaccine could the little tykes be spreading that swine flue? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #10 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #11 October 30, 2009 Here is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #12 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #13 October 30, 2009 QuoteHere is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. Thanks for the research ,karenmeal, do you know that the government also suggested we purchase DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC to counter a dirty bomb attack? What about "DUCK AND COVER incase of an all out nuclear bombardment? karenmeal, Do you really trust the United States government when it comes to your or your childrens health? And let me ask more precisely ; If a live flu virus is shot up a childs nasal cavity, for what period of time can he/she shed viable virus back out into his surrounding enviroment? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #14 October 30, 2009 Quote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1. Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #16 October 30, 2009 Yes a third weren't subtyped. But if you understood just basic statistics and science, you would understand that you can still conclude that there is a very high likelihood that the remaining third would all be h1n1. As far as actual impact of the swine flu vs. random choking deaths.. there is no question that the swine flu is having a wide influence on people across the country. I work at an outpatient rehabilitation clinic that includes physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. At our clinic we have had cancellation rates of 70% some days due to the flu and on average over the past month or two about 30% cancellation. This is much higher than is normal for this time of year. Due to this, employees have been asked to voluntarily reduce the number of hours they work until census improves. All of the employees received the h1n1 vaccine about a week ago as did the high risk patients that we have. I am hoping in a week or two the infection rate begins to drop in our community with the provision of vaccines. Then we can all go back to working our 40 hours. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #17 October 30, 2009 QuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #18 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people? People who post articles on epidemiology when they know sweet FA about what they are posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #19 October 30, 2009 >Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Right - with the vaccine strain. If you catch the vaccine strain then you become immune. (That's a good thing.) >Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms >has the swine flu , no reason to test. Correct. Sitting in a crowded ER just to get a test, then get told "go home and rest" does you no good and will infect everyone else in the ER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #20 October 30, 2009 >Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Thank God you're not in charge of anything that has to do with public health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 October 30, 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #22 October 30, 2009 I wonder if you or anyone else who is so condescending is a PhD in Epidemiology. My friend I discussed this with is one, he graduated at the top of his class in the late 60's from Emory. He is currently semi retired and working as a consultant to DoD and DHS I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much hysteria and bad statistics. The sample sizes and methodology are flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #23 October 30, 2009 >I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with >a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much >hysteria and bad statistics. And what "hysteria and bad statistics" would I be buying into? This should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff It's not a big damn deal. you were the one hyping "how come they're not even testing for it anymore" my point was that they aren't typing all the influenza-A because it's all H1N1 isn't it all a govt conspiracy? Isn't that your line? They're giving us the disease with the live virus flu shot. We're contagious for 28-days after receiving it right? No it's not a big damn deal. It's only a deal if you're immune or respiratory compromised. My kids had it I've clearly been exposed (3-year old slobber machine) as has my wife. My point (which was missed apparently) is why bother to sub type all of the flu-A positives? They're all H1N1 at this point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #25 October 31, 2009 Quote Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. 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karenmeal 0 #11 October 30, 2009 Here is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #12 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAccording to the CDC website, 99.8% of all tested cases of flu this year were Influenza A, Quote There are alot of different types of influenza A viruses, birdshit. Out of that 99.8% tested how many were H1N1? Blues, Cliff Did you read the stats? Every single one that was subtyped. There were 11 out of 4500ish that werent h1n1. I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #13 October 30, 2009 QuoteHere is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. Thanks for the research ,karenmeal, do you know that the government also suggested we purchase DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC to counter a dirty bomb attack? What about "DUCK AND COVER incase of an all out nuclear bombardment? karenmeal, Do you really trust the United States government when it comes to your or your childrens health? And let me ask more precisely ; If a live flu virus is shot up a childs nasal cavity, for what period of time can he/she shed viable virus back out into his surrounding enviroment? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #14 October 30, 2009 Quote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1. Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #16 October 30, 2009 Yes a third weren't subtyped. But if you understood just basic statistics and science, you would understand that you can still conclude that there is a very high likelihood that the remaining third would all be h1n1. As far as actual impact of the swine flu vs. random choking deaths.. there is no question that the swine flu is having a wide influence on people across the country. I work at an outpatient rehabilitation clinic that includes physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. At our clinic we have had cancellation rates of 70% some days due to the flu and on average over the past month or two about 30% cancellation. This is much higher than is normal for this time of year. Due to this, employees have been asked to voluntarily reduce the number of hours they work until census improves. All of the employees received the h1n1 vaccine about a week ago as did the high risk patients that we have. I am hoping in a week or two the infection rate begins to drop in our community with the provision of vaccines. Then we can all go back to working our 40 hours. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #17 October 30, 2009 QuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #18 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people? People who post articles on epidemiology when they know sweet FA about what they are posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #19 October 30, 2009 >Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Right - with the vaccine strain. If you catch the vaccine strain then you become immune. (That's a good thing.) >Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms >has the swine flu , no reason to test. Correct. Sitting in a crowded ER just to get a test, then get told "go home and rest" does you no good and will infect everyone else in the ER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #20 October 30, 2009 >Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Thank God you're not in charge of anything that has to do with public health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 October 30, 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #22 October 30, 2009 I wonder if you or anyone else who is so condescending is a PhD in Epidemiology. My friend I discussed this with is one, he graduated at the top of his class in the late 60's from Emory. He is currently semi retired and working as a consultant to DoD and DHS I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much hysteria and bad statistics. The sample sizes and methodology are flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,112 #23 October 30, 2009 >I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with >a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much >hysteria and bad statistics. And what "hysteria and bad statistics" would I be buying into? This should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff It's not a big damn deal. you were the one hyping "how come they're not even testing for it anymore" my point was that they aren't typing all the influenza-A because it's all H1N1 isn't it all a govt conspiracy? Isn't that your line? They're giving us the disease with the live virus flu shot. We're contagious for 28-days after receiving it right? No it's not a big damn deal. It's only a deal if you're immune or respiratory compromised. My kids had it I've clearly been exposed (3-year old slobber machine) as has my wife. My point (which was missed apparently) is why bother to sub type all of the flu-A positives? They're all H1N1 at this point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #25 October 31, 2009 Quote Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. These people are no better than retards. It is amazing how you can take such a myopic view on what is clearly not a domestic US event or reaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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cliffwhite 0 #13 October 30, 2009 QuoteHere is what the CDC has to say in response to your question: Can people receiving the nasal-spray flu vaccine LAIV (FluMist®) pass the vaccine viruses to others? In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely. The current estimated risk of getting infected with vaccine virus after close contact with a person vaccinated with the nasal-spray flu vaccine is low (0.6%-2.4%). Because the viruses are weakened, infection is unlikely to result in influenza illness symptoms since the vaccine viruses have not been shown to mutate into typical or naturally occurring influenza viruses. But seriously, cdc.gov. Good stuff there. Here are some more samples of good, evidence-based answers to your questions. Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu? Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness. The weakened viruses are cold-adapted, which means they are designed to only cause infection at the cooler temperatures found within the nose. The viruses cannot infect the lungs or other areas where warmer temperatures exist. Some children and young adults 2-17 years of age have reported experiencing mild reactions after receiving nasal spray flu vaccine, including runny nose, nasal congestion or cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. Some adults 18-49 years of age have reported runny nose or nasal congestion, cough, chills, tiredness/weakness, sore throat and headache. These side effects are mild and short-lasting, especially when compared to symptoms of influenza infection. Thanks for the research ,karenmeal, do you know that the government also suggested we purchase DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC to counter a dirty bomb attack? What about "DUCK AND COVER incase of an all out nuclear bombardment? karenmeal, Do you really trust the United States government when it comes to your or your childrens health? And let me ask more precisely ; If a live flu virus is shot up a childs nasal cavity, for what period of time can he/she shed viable virus back out into his surrounding enviroment? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #14 October 30, 2009 Quote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't think you comprehend what the data says. No. of positive specimens (%) 4,855 (37.5%) Positive specimens by type/subtype Influenza A 4,844 (99.8%) A (2009 H1N1) 3,378 (69.7%) A (subtyping not performed) 1,436 (29.6%) A (unable to subtype) 30 (0.6%) Blues, Cliff what that says to me that all the successfully subtyped specimins were H1N1. Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #16 October 30, 2009 Yes a third weren't subtyped. But if you understood just basic statistics and science, you would understand that you can still conclude that there is a very high likelihood that the remaining third would all be h1n1. As far as actual impact of the swine flu vs. random choking deaths.. there is no question that the swine flu is having a wide influence on people across the country. I work at an outpatient rehabilitation clinic that includes physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. At our clinic we have had cancellation rates of 70% some days due to the flu and on average over the past month or two about 30% cancellation. This is much higher than is normal for this time of year. Due to this, employees have been asked to voluntarily reduce the number of hours they work until census improves. All of the employees received the h1n1 vaccine about a week ago as did the high risk patients that we have. I am hoping in a week or two the infection rate begins to drop in our community with the provision of vaccines. Then we can all go back to working our 40 hours. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #17 October 30, 2009 QuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #18 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. How does a flu pandemic become propaganda for Obama? What is it he stands to gain PR-wise? QuoteThese people are no better than retards. Which people? People who post articles on epidemiology when they know sweet FA about what they are posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #19 October 30, 2009 >Thing is ,after recieving a dose of that you could be contagious for 28 days or so. Right - with the vaccine strain. If you catch the vaccine strain then you become immune. (That's a good thing.) >Doctors have been told to just assume that anyone with flu like symptoms >has the swine flu , no reason to test. Correct. Sitting in a crowded ER just to get a test, then get told "go home and rest" does you no good and will infect everyone else in the ER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #20 October 30, 2009 >Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Thank God you're not in charge of anything that has to do with public health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #22 October 30, 2009 I wonder if you or anyone else who is so condescending is a PhD in Epidemiology. My friend I discussed this with is one, he graduated at the top of his class in the late 60's from Emory. He is currently semi retired and working as a consultant to DoD and DHS I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much hysteria and bad statistics. The sample sizes and methodology are flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #23 October 30, 2009 >I have also spoken with a few physicians about this, along with >a Statistics Professor, they would assert you are buying into much >hysteria and bad statistics. And what "hysteria and bad statistics" would I be buying into? This should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Yes but nearly a third weren't even subtyped.! LOL! Here's the thing, rhaig, It all seems like a *BIG DAMN DEAL* because it's on TV and in the papers and we're talkin' about even in speakers corner. So how many people have actually contracted swine flu? How many have died? I bet nearly as many die each week by choking on popcorn at the movie theatre. I bet more die when they realize the price of the "Milk Duds". It's not something to worry about and certainly nothing to be innoculated at a health risk against. Of course, if you bought the duct tape and plastic, go for it! Blues, Cliff It's not a big damn deal. you were the one hyping "how come they're not even testing for it anymore" my point was that they aren't typing all the influenza-A because it's all H1N1 isn't it all a govt conspiracy? Isn't that your line? They're giving us the disease with the live virus flu shot. We're contagious for 28-days after receiving it right? No it's not a big damn deal. It's only a deal if you're immune or respiratory compromised. My kids had it I've clearly been exposed (3-year old slobber machine) as has my wife. My point (which was missed apparently) is why bother to sub type all of the flu-A positives? They're all H1N1 at this point.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #25 October 31, 2009 Quote Hey I know, we won't test anyone and if they get the flu we can say it's swine flu! Yeah and then we can call it a pandemic! Then the Obamacles Messiah can save us all. These people are no better than retards. It is amazing how you can take such a myopic view on what is clearly not a domestic US event or reaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
