D.C. sniper set to be executed

[TomAiello 26]

Thinking someone is worthy of death is not the same as believing the state should have the right to kill them.

-- Tom Aiello

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The day a man on death row was exonerated by dna evidence within 2 weeks of his execution was the day I changed my mind on the death penalty. Iirc he was found guilty on the testimony of 3 "eye witnesses."

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Well its a good thing that "eye witnesses" dont acount for much any more these days. I know when i went to school to be a cop thats what was taught to us from the ADA, that eye witnesses are the worst form of evidence and are accounted fot very little

[BillyVance 34]

I agree. A capital murder case should not ever been decided on witnesses alone. Or any vicious heinous crimes that warrants the death penalty according to the penal code. There needs to be irrefutable proof in evidence. If there is any doubt, but still enough for a conviction, put 'em in prison for life.

I recognize we do not have a perfect society so I can understand the pro-life, anti-death penalty point of view.

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The day a man on death row was exonerated by dna evidence within 2 weeks of his execution was the day I changed my mind on the death penalty. Iirc he was found guilty on the testimony of 3 "eye witnesses."

I just do not like being part of the club of countries's with the death penalty. I tend to believe a civilized nation can do better.

[DigitalDave 0]

Put a bullet in the back of his skull and bill his family for the ammunition.

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and "mosly dead" is not "dead" either any fan of the Princess Bride knows full well

Can "mosly dead" be used with DRT (dead rite there)?

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[MaVriK 0]

i still think there should be public hangings and firing squads...make people think twice about doin shit like this...i dont like second offenders. I like dead offenders...just my 2c

edit: IRREFUTABLE proof established of course...not "well the police say this....."

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I just do not like being part of the club of countries's with the death penalty. I tend to believe a civilized nation can do better.

And I'm good with it. Civilize by eliminating the uncivilized is how I look at it.

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I just do not like being part of the club of countries's with the death penalty. I tend to believe a civilized nation can do better.

And I'm good with it. Civilize by eliminating the uncivilized is how I look at it.

Its not so different in other third world states then... you are in great company... so much for all that BIBLE belt compassion and christianity.

Some people cain't seem to practice what is preached. then again most of those on the list with the US are other fundamentalist religious regimes or third world shit holes

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•Antigua and Barbuda
•Bahamas
•Bahrain
•Bangladesh
•Barbados
•Belarus
•Belize
•Botswana
•Burundi
•Cameroon
•Chad
•China (People's Republic)
•Comoros
•Congo (Democratic Republic)
•Cuba
•Dominica
•Egypt
•Equatorial Guinea
•Eritrea
•Ethiopia
•Gabon
•Ghana
•Guatemala
•Guinea
•Guyana
•India
•Indonesia
•Iran
•Iraq
•Jamaica
•Japan
•Jordan
•Korea, North
•Korea, South
•Kuwait
•Laos
•Lebanon
•Lesotho
•Libya
•Malawi
•Malaysia
•Mongolia
•Nigeria
•Oman
•Pakistan
•Palestinian Authority
•Qatar
•St. Kitts and Nevis
•St. Lucia
•St. Vincent and the Grenadines
•Saudi Arabia
•Sierra Leone
•Singapore
•Somalia
•Sudan
•Swaziland
•Syria
•Taiwan
•Tajikistan
•Tanzania
•Thailand
•Trinidad and Tobago
•Uganda
•United Arab Emirates
•United States
•Vietnam
•Yemen
•Zambia
•Zimbabwe

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i still think there should be public hangings and firing squads...make people think twice about doin shit like this...i dont like second offenders. I like dead offenders...just my 2c

edit: IRREFUTABLE proof established of course...not "well the police say this....."

Yep, and it is a quick path to emotional relief for the victim's relatives and friends.

Funny how time goes by and a new generation of bleeding hearts appears ready to pardon some scum bag killer who will kill again.

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Funny how time goes by and a new generation of bleeding hearts appears ready to pardon some scum bag killer who will kill again.

It's funny how some folks aren't smart enough to recognize the difference between being against the death penalty and favoring a pardon of the convicted. Sadly, such folks are allowed to sit on juries.

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Funny how time goes by and a new generation of bleeding hearts appears ready to pardon some scum bag killer who will kill again.

It's funny how some folks aren't smart enough to recognize the difference between being against the death penalty and favoring a pardon of the convicted. Sadly, such folks are allowed to sit on juries.

Or the same people who are bitching abouttheir fantasy "death panels" have no problem with theri own all very real death panels

[normiss 867]

Riiiiiight...

I'm amazed at how out of touch our society is with our own legal system.

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Funny how time goes by and a new generation of bleeding hearts appears ready to pardon some scum bag killer who will kill again.

It's funny how some folks aren't smart enough to recognize the difference between being against the death penalty and favoring a pardon of the convicted. Sadly, such folks are allowed to sit on juries.

If you hang em there's no chance of a pardon, and you can still oppose the death penalty. You can say the United States is "uncivilized" compared to Europe, but Islamic justice will make them "uncivilized" in time. It will be one big happy "uncivilized" world with the death penalty.

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I agree. A capital murder case should not ever been decided on witnesses alone. Or any vicious heinous crimes that warrants the death penalty according to the penal code. There needs to be irrefutable proof in evidence. If there is any doubt, but still enough for a conviction, put 'em in prison for life.

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In that case the penalty depends on the quality of the evidence rather than the heinousness of the crime, which is inappropriate.

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[Skyrad 0]

In this case I say top him.

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Nah I think we should let you and other Texicans who believe in state mandated murder to do the shooting. ..so that everyone you think "needs killin".... gits kilt right away That should keep you guys changing your tightie whities all the time.

Oh boy! Amazon is back, spewing bigotry and hate again! Yeehaw!

Oh the irony.

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I agree. A capital murder case should not ever been decided on witnesses alone. Or any vicious heinous crimes that warrants the death penalty according to the penal code. There needs to be irrefutable proof in evidence. If there is any doubt, but still enough for a conviction, put 'em in prison for life.

In that case the penalty depends on the quality of the evidence rather than the heinousness of the crime, which is inappropriate.

nonsense - determination of guilt vs innocence is a separate process from determination of punishment.

The option to have the death penalty depends on the heinousness of the crime.

GIVING the death penalty vs life incarceration on a guilty verdict should (IMO) be based on two additional things -

1 - the likelihood of the criminal to repeat the crime (subjective - indicates little hope of rehabilitation)
2 - the quality of the evidence leading to the guilty verdict (direct) (kind of a beyond 'reasonable' doubt vs beyond 'any' doubt kind of thing - a bit sticky)

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What say you, death penalty opponents? Should we spare his life because he might be deemed innocent in the future?

No, I say spare his life and treat him for the ills we as a state have inflicted on his mind.

John Allen Muhhomed is a classic case of "Manchurian Candidate " and we should all apologize to him, his family, our victims,and their families, and to the communities in which this particular terror campaign was conducted.

A brain-washed man can not be guilty of any crime . It is the controllers and ultimately their employers(us) who are guilty.

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[tbrown 26]

You're mischaracterizing some people's reasons for opposition to the death penalty.

I do not trust the government with the power of life and death over the populace. Given that, I do not trust the government to put citizens to death (for any reason).

I fully believe he's guilty. I think that locking him up somewhere for the remainder of his days is sufficient to remove him from circulation, cheaper (generally) than a death sentence, and most importantly, doesn't give the power of life and death to an institution (the government) that I mistrust deeply.

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cheaper (generally) than a death sentence,.

I'm extremely uninformed in regard to the costs involved with a life sentence vs. death sentence/execution. My initial opinion upon reading the question would have been "I sure as hell don't want to pay for them to take care of the guy for the next 50 or 60 years" but I'm intrigued to learn about the difference in cost for keeping a prisoner vs. killing one.

Is it primarily the time spent in court during appeals, etc. that raises the cost or is there something else involved with a death sentence and execution that raises the costs so significantly?

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[TomAiello 26]

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Is it primarily the time spent in court during appeals, etc. that raises the cost or is there something else involved with a death sentence and execution that raises the costs so significantly?

It's mostly the (mandatory, in most places) extra legal reviews, as well as the (optional, but almost always pursued) appeals. But there is also additional cost involved with keeping prisoners on death row (which is more expensive than "normal" prison), and with the actual executions.

More info (from both slants):

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html
http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/COcosttestimony.pdf

-- Tom Aiello

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News:

DC sniper Muhammad set to die by lethal injection

The mastermind of the 2002 Washington, DC-area sniper attacks will die by lethal injection next month.

John Allen Muhammad is scheduled to be executed Nov. 10 for the October 2002 slaying of Dean Meyers at a gas station during a string of shootings.

The three-week killing spree in October 2002 left 10 dead in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia...

Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BJIG986#at

What say you, death penalty opponents? Should we spare his life because he might be deemed innocent in the future?

Yes he should be killed. Many of the victim's family members should be allowed to snipe him, but not at vital areas so that he may have a slower, more painful death.

[warpedskydiver 0]

He was not a sniper, he shot people at close range from a concealed position inside the trunk of a car.

No sniping occurred.