BillyVance 35 #26 October 28, 2009 I fully believe John Allen Muhammad was guilty of the DC snipings. There was irrefutable (IIRC) evidence that he and his co-hort were involved. How many people were killed? 12? If one person was killed, life in prison, maybe with parole after 40 years. But since this douchebag killed around 12, to hell with him. A bullet to the back of his head would do. Cheapest way. For the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend? Every one of these DC murders were committed in cold blood. Ship his sorry ass off to the supermax prison in Colorado so he can't ever see the outside world again and have no hope of escaping."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #27 October 28, 2009 QuoteFor the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend? I would want to see them get a fair trial (i.e. minimal chance of winning an appeal) and receive life in prison.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #28 October 28, 2009 QuoteFor the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend? I'd be pissed. But it sure wouldn't make me trust the government any more. Why would the one thing change my opinion about the other?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #29 October 28, 2009 QuoteFor the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend? Every one of these DC murders were committed in cold blood. Being realistic I'd probably want to kill the fucker myself but that doesn't make it right. That just means I am emotionally distraught and not thinking straight. Back at ya...how would you feel if you were in the same situation and the person YOU decided to put to death and did was actually innocent?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #30 October 28, 2009 Quote Quote For the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone cold bloodedly murdered your husband, or wife, or child or other relative or friend? Every one of these DC murders were committed in cold blood. Being realistic I'd probably want to kill the fucker myself but that doesn't make it right. That just means I am emotionally distraught and not thinking straight. Back at ya...how would you feel if you were in the same situation and the person YOU decided to put to death and did was actually innocent? It wouldn't feel good. I understand there are thousands of inmates in the prison system that I don't think had their DNA checked or cross-checked with crime scene evidence or were convicted based on simple eye-witness testimony or had shitty lawyers/over-zealous DAs. And that's just for the pre-DNA era. If it was just me, and I'm in court watching the jury find the defendant guilty of murder, I'd have a very strong urge to jump over the rail and get in as many punches and kicks to the SOB before I got pulled off him. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 October 28, 2009 QuoteI think that if a person or persons are found guilty of premeditated murder, then the next of kin of the victim (or a vote system if more than one victim of different family's are involved) should decide if it's to be the death penalty or life incarceration. I know that if someone cold bloodily murdered one of my immediate family I would want them legally dead. "I know that if someone cold bloodily (my feelings drive my opinion)" there is a big difference between justice and revenge - let's not confuse CP with revenge. The 'victims' of a crime should not have any input to a criminals punishment - only the state, and dispassionately. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 October 28, 2009 QuoteLegally dead does not, of course, mean actually dead, as any fan of The Mikado knows full well. and "mosly dead" is not "dead" either any fan of the Princess Bride knows full well ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 October 28, 2009 QuoteFor the anti-death penalty advocates, how would you feel if someone again, "how would you feel" it's not about feelings, it's about justice. Justice is removing him from repeating his crimes. I'm ok with the DP for that reason only. Once we push CP for 'feelings' then I can't join that argument. I'm also ok with life in prison. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #34 October 28, 2009 Quote Basically you condone retaliatory murder??? If a death sentence has been handed down by a legal court of law then it is not murder. How many murderers given life sentences actually die of old age or illness in prison. Not that many I'm sure, someone who coldly takes a life deserves to die by the hand of the government. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #35 October 28, 2009 >someone who coldly takes a life deserves . . . Here comes the emotion again. Lots of people "deserve" things. That woman who studied hard her whole life deserves a chance at a good job. That guy who never helped anyone in his whole life doesn't deserve to win the Lottery. That guy who poisoned that puppy deserves to be poisoned himself. Those kids who threw rocks at that car deserve a few black eyes. Yes, all that would feel good. But none of it is justice - and our justice system should confine itself to justice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #36 October 28, 2009 QuoteNah I think we should let you and other Texicans who believe in state mandated murder to do the shooting. ..so that everyone you think "needs killin".... gits kilt right away That should keep you guys changing your tightie whities all the time. Oh boy! Amazon is back, spewing bigotry and hate again! Yeehaw! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #37 October 28, 2009 Quote Basically you condone retaliatory murder??? Revenge accomplishes nothing. We've proven long enough that the death penalty offers no closure, nor does it deter others from killing others either. It's really sad we value human life so little. I do not condone it, it is just a fact, cross that line and I would never stop until the job is done. I believe in live and let live, if that cannot be accomplished the alternative is not very nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #38 October 28, 2009 Do you see any difference between "you" doing that and the government doing that?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #39 October 28, 2009 QuoteDo you see any difference between "you" doing that and the government doing that? Hell yes Why would I need the government to spend millions for something I would be compelled to do myself? Why put that power in their hands so that they might abuse it? I am not against the death penalty, only against how it is implemented. I trust no governmental official that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #40 October 28, 2009 Quote>someone who coldly takes a life deserves . . . Here comes the emotion again. Lots of people "deserve" things. That woman who studied hard her whole life deserves a chance at a good job. That guy who never helped anyone in his whole life doesn't deserve to win the Lottery. That guy who poisoned that puppy deserves to be poisoned himself. Those kids who threw rocks at that car deserve a few black eyes. Yes, all that would feel good. But none of it is justice - and our justice system should confine itself to justice. Playing your little games again Billvon. You know exactly what I meant Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #41 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you see any difference between "you" doing that and the government doing that? Hell yes Why would I need the government to spend millions for something I would be compelled to do myself? Why put that power in their hands so that they might abuse it? I am not against the death penalty, only against how it is implemented. I trust no governmental official that much. Methinks you really did not understand the question. Anyhow, I'd consider it a serious danger to run into you. Jesus. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 October 28, 2009 Why, do you often do things to people that makes you deserving of a death sentence? I mean really, try to act like a grown, thinking human being and you would not need to be so fearful. I would not even give you the time of day let alone cause you harm. Get over yourself and your irrational fears. BTW you might find this hard to believe but people actually like and trust me. I don't think you can overcome your condescending view of me and realize that though. What a shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullin82 0 #43 October 28, 2009 I want all you people who say "no one deserves to be killed for a crime they commit" to watch some of these clips and read on some of these acts, yeah im not to smart when it comes to research and I found this on FB but your telling me this FAMILY that raped, beat, tortured and killed there 6 month old daughter shouldn’t be executed? Come on, and if you say that’s a different circumstance than your just a bunch of hypocrites. below is the are i looked. http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=child+abuse&init=quick#/group.php?gid=46040537919&ref=search&sid=1077155307.836607670..1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteNah I think we should let you and other Texicans who believe in state mandated murder to do the shooting. ..so that everyone you think "needs killin".... gits kilt right away That should keep you guys changing your tightie whities all the time. Oh boy! Amazon is back, spewing bigotry and hate again! Yeehaw! If the post fits... wear it John. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #45 October 28, 2009 >You know exactly what I meant Yes, I did. And your feeling of who deserves what is not the same as justice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #46 October 28, 2009 Yup they shouldn't be executed.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #47 October 28, 2009 seconded! Very basic principle here...I didn't teach my kids to not hit people by hitting my kids. It worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #48 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteNah I think we should let you and other Texicans who believe in state mandated murder to do the shooting. ..so that everyone you think "needs killin".... gits kilt right away That should keep you guys changing your tightie whities all the time. Oh boy! Amazon is back, spewing bigotry and hate again! Yeehaw! Oh the irony.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #49 October 28, 2009 what is with the weird posting style people seem to have adopted? It's like an enter key frenzy up in this bitch now! www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #50 October 28, 2009 I don't understand it either. We also don't debate or discuss much here in any method that will ever accomplish anything or garner any results. These are the main reasons I don't even come in here much anymore. I also flat out ignore a number of posters due to their inability to have a mature conversation. On the topic in this thread, some folks just want people dead. I understand the injustices of our government and our legal system on a more intimate level and therefore trust neither. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
