warpedskydiver 0 #26 October 28, 2009 Yep, there is no excuse and that girl may never recover. She will probably always have physical and emotional scars. The perps should die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #27 October 28, 2009 QuoteYep, there is no excuse and that girl may never recover. She will probably always have physical and emotional scars. The perps should die. Just die? Are you sure they shouldn't first be waterboarded with battery acid, impaled on a telephone pole, then hung by their own intestines and stabbed ad infinitum with an icepick and made to eat raw sausage McGriddles for the rest of their lives if they live through it? I think you're being way too soft on crime. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #28 October 28, 2009 The report I saw in regard to this incident stated, it was an after homecoming dance at Richmond High. The school is in the San Francisco area. They experience a 67% truancy rate and a lot of gang activity and crime. I have a suspicion, since the majority of security was inside the gymnasium, they were reluctant to patrol outside the schoolhouse itself. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 October 28, 2009 No matter how we look at it there is no reason for it to have occurred. Some people would not know decency if they were drowning in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 October 28, 2009 I absolutely agree with you! It sickened me to listen to the story on the news. The purpose for my post was to add a little about the gang influence in the area of the school and the possible fear of the security people to not want to go outside the building. The oldest suspect, who was 19 had dropped out of that school. I agree also, with those who would like to see swift, severe punishment for all involved... except the victim. There is such an increase in youth crime in this country as well as gang related crime, it's getting scarey. I don't see this as a 'one of a kind' incident. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #31 October 28, 2009 >No matter how we look at it there is no reason for it to have occurred. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #32 October 29, 2009 Quote Quote Exactly what party was this that this minor child/young adult went to? Was this a high school party or a college party? From the news story, it sounds like it was an official (high) school function, taking place on school grounds, with official supervision (most likely provided by the school, if those things are still run the way they were when I was in high school). After re-reading it more carefully and with less emotion, I can clearly see that. I was just initially confused by the reference to University of California-Berkeley. There is another thing that sickens me. From an Ob/Gyn perspective, my mind is questioning why she (the victim) is still in the hospital. "She remains hospitalized with non-life threatening injuries. " How bad were the lacerations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #33 October 29, 2009 the news reported that the victim " left the dance and was drinking 'alcohol' with a group....." prior to the attack... were those in the drinking group, males?? females?? or a combination of both??? was it this drinking group?? that turned, "animal"??? or did the victim leave the first group,,, only to stumble over to ANother group,,, who assaulted her? the reports seem to indicate that the perpetrators were male and that most ALL of the 'observers' were male... Was the victim enticed into the alcohol consumption,, by males or by females...or a group of both? AND what sort of drink?? are we talking about??/ Hard liquor?? Wine? beer? all of the above? i'd tend to wanna believe that If there were other Girls involved in the 'drinking group', they would have intervened,,, when some IDIOT male(s) began the physical assault....in order to protect the girl.. or at least run off and report the ongoing assault. IF the drinking group was ALL males,, then REAL poor decisions were made by everyone... The victim....who made a terrible choice to "put bottle to lips" ,especially if it was only in the company of a group of boys... ( Have any reports, said just What her blood alcohol level was??) ..and the assaulters, each of whom must have some overinflated sense of machismo,,,, and NO regard for the personal space of women.... There was a REAL opportunity for someone,,, ANYONE, to become a Hero... by disrupting the event,, by chastising the "dicks" involved, and by even physically disrupting the occurence...However "gang mentality behavior."... is peer pressure,, at it's worst, and as we see,, NO one goes against the grain... ALL sorts of cell phones there,,, yet NOT one,,, dialed 911.. NOT a single real man, among that group of Boys... how pathetic... all who will be identified, as part of this crime.... NEED to be incarcerated... or better yet, castrated...then incarcerated... If it was My daughter.... They 'd have to be looking over their shoulders for the REST of their lives.Think " A Time to Kill" Samuel Jackson, Matthew McConeghey (sp) damnjt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #34 October 29, 2009 Four teens could appear in court as early as Thursday after being charged in the alleged gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside her high school homecoming dance in Northern California. The four — ages 15, 16, 17 and 19 — were charged Wednesday with rape and enhancements that they acted in concert, which could make them eligible for life in prison. "These are people who played a significant role in the incident," Richmond Police Lt. Mark Gagan said. "I'm confident that more arrests will be made." Besides rape, the 19-year-old, Manuel Ortega of Richmond, was charged with robbery and assault causing great bodily injury. It was unknown if he had an attorney. The other three face one count each of felony rape with a foreign object. They were charged as adults because of the severity of the crime, Gagan said. The 16-year-old also faces robbery charges. All four remained in custody Wednesday. A fifth suspect arrested Tuesday, 21-year-old Salvador Rodriguez of Richmond, also remained jailed but had not been charged. The alleged gang rape and beating Saturday night at Richmond High School have rattled the city of about 120,000 in the San Francisco Bay area. Police believe as many as 10 people ranging in age from 15 to mid-20s attacked the girl for more than two hours in a dimly lit area. As many as two dozen people witnessed the rape without notifying police. Dara Cashman, head of the Contra Costa District Attorney's Office sex crimes unit, told the Contra Costa Times, a Bay area newspaper, that those who witnessed the alleged rape and did not report it could face aiding and abetting charges — if it can be proven that their actions facilitated or goaded the perpetrators. Police hope a $20,000 reward will bring more people forward with information. Police received a tip about a possible assault on campus from a former student, who heard two males bragging about it. Officers found the girl semiconscious and naked from the waist down near a picnic table. Margarita Vargas, who was watching television Saturday night with others at her home two blocks from the school campus, told the newspaper she reported the assault as soon as she heard about it. The newspaper did not say whether Vargas was a student at the school. "They think it's cool," Vargas said of the alleged perpetrators. "They weren't raised to respect girls." Gagan said the victim, a sophomore, left the dance and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the courtyard. The girl had consumed a large amount of alcohol by the time the assault began, police said. Gagan said the girl's father tried to call her cell phone, but no one answered. She was released from the hospital Wednesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #35 October 29, 2009 This incident is a strong reflection on many attributes of society as well as mob mentality and bystander indifference. This girl probably knew some of the kids she went off to drink with around the side of the school. She trusted her immediate social contacts not to harm her. It is not very plausible to think that she was a strumpet and went off with a bunch of strangers or that she was a milquetoast. There is no reason to impute the girl's character or actions. The timeline (according to other articles) was within an hour or maybe two of leaving the dance. It does not make sense that someone could get inebriated in such a short time. The timeline indicator points to drugs. It's quite possible someone slipped her a date rape drug without her knowledge. Her state of incapacitation does not give permission to do what you want. But apparently that's what the perpetrators thought. I seriously doubt that this young woman was out to get drunk, do powerful drugs or partake in group sex when she knew her father was going to pick her up within the hour. The bystanders that did nothing or perhaps recorded the assault on a cell phone are reacting to two very pestiferous customs. One is voyeurism and the other is a whistleblower social penalty. It's well documented that many people like to watch others having sex. The porn trade makes a lot of money on this. They may have interpreted the situation as consensual. Yet that is a poor excuse, as a public display of group sex at a prom is not a typical manifestation of porn type activities. The neighborhood has gangs. Gangs can inflict physical and social harm to people that 'call the cops'. Society, in general, does not embrace people that stand up and say 'this is not right' and try to correct an injustice. In fact, society usually extracts untold penalties upon those that are tattletales. Two high profile examples are the woman that called the police on Gates and the guy in the NY subway that intervened when he saw an altercation and shot the perpetrator. Much more insipid factors are when the general population diminishes the status of women and girls by inculcating sexual attractiveness as the most important attribute or berating female intellects. All those comments along the lines of boobie threads contribute to the misogyny of treating women and girls as equal partners in society. Eg "They think it's cool," Vargas said of the alleged perpetrators. "They weren't raised to respect girls." .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #36 October 29, 2009 I've read that 9 out of 10 people think gang rape is OK. Mind you, that 10th person really hates it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #37 October 29, 2009 Quote The conclusion is obvious: Liberals and Democrats, who are already on record as supporting the eating of live kittens, also support gang rape and doing nothing to defend helpless crime victims. Hey, you can say a lot of things about the Democrats but it's the Republicans who support gang rape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #38 October 29, 2009 Of course you must have read the entire bill right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #39 October 29, 2009 S.AMDT.2588 Amends: H.R.3326 Sponsor: Sen Franken, Al [MN] (submitted 10/1/2009) (proposed 10/1/2009) AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To prohibit the use of funds for any Federal contract with Halliburton Company, KBR, Inc., any of their subsidiaries or affiliates, or any other contracting party if such contractor or a subcontractor at any tier under such contract requires that employees or independent contractors sign mandatory arbitration clauses regarding certain claims. TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED: CR S10069-10070 STATUS: 10/1/2009: Amendment SA 2588 proposed by Senator Franken. (consideration: CR S10027-10028; text: CR S10027) 10/6/2009: Considered by Senate. (consideration: CR S10143, S10146-10148, S10149-10150) 10/6/2009: Amendment SA 2588 agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 68 - 30. Record Vote Number: 308. COSPONSORS(9): Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] - 10/1/2009 Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 10/6/2009 Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] - 10/6/2009 Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 10/6/2009 Sen Merkley, Jeff [OR] - 10/6/2009 Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] - 10/6/2009 Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 10/6/2009 Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 10/6/2009 Sen Shaheen, Jeanne [NH] - 10/6/2009 Also see; http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c111xC5Mrz:: There was most likely something in there that spoiled the entire bill. The proposed 2010 military budget also has amendments about hate crime legislation, now why do they try and spoil a budget with that crap? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 October 29, 2009 QuoteQuote The conclusion is obvious: Liberals and Democrats, who are already on record as supporting the eating of live kittens, also support gang rape and doing nothing to defend helpless crime victims. Hey, you can say a lot of things about the Democrats but it's the Republicans who support gang rape. By that logic, Dems support infanticide.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #41 October 29, 2009 >By that logic, Dems support infanticide. Feticide to be exact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #42 October 29, 2009 So what about the amendment do you disagree with? I am sure you are familiar with the reason this was brought up. Do you think that we should give tax money to companies who prevent rape victims from bringing suit against them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 October 30, 2009 QuoteSo what about the amendment do you disagree with? I am sure you are familiar with the reason this was brought up. Do you think that we should give tax money to companies who prevent rape victims from bringing suit against them? I think it would have gotten more support if it hadn't specifically singled out the Dem's mistaken bogeyman.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #44 October 30, 2009 >I think it would have gotten more support if it hadn't specifically singled >out the Dem's mistaken bogeyman. Do you think Halliburton was in the right here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #45 October 30, 2009 It is not about rape specifically. It is about doing a job which has inherent dangers. I actually think that young woman should have been able to sue her attackers. Did the company itself do this to her or a bunch of depraved assholes? OTOH, is a company like that to be crippled to the point that it cannot fulfill its mission in supporting the military because somebody gets hurt or killed and they seem to sue for billions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #46 October 30, 2009 >It is about doing a job which has inherent dangers. I agree (although the normal dangers are being shot at, not being raped by coworkers in company housing.) >I actually think that young woman should have been able to sue her attackers. Agreed. Thus the amendment. >Did the company itself do this to her or a bunch of depraved assholes? A bunch of depraved assholes. >OTOH, is a company like that to be crippled to the point that it cannot >fulfill its mission in supporting the military because somebody gets hurt >or killed and they seem to sue for billions? If it happens consistently due to their negligence, yes, they should. If it happens once or twice, no, they should not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #47 October 30, 2009 That is far more thought than I gave to it. My reaction was just a simple OFF WITH THEIR TESTICLES." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #48 October 30, 2009 QuoteIt is not about rape specifically. It is about doing a job which has inherent dangers. I actually think that young woman should have been able to sue her attackers. She should be able to sue her attackers and anyone who enabled those attackers through their own negligence. Quote Did the company itself do this to her or a bunch of depraved assholes? While the rapists in your original post were the primary cause of the act, it may very well be that the school was negligent and should bear some responsibility. It was a school-sponsored event. Both sides will have their arguments and in the end a jury will decide liability. The same should be the case with our Iraqi contractors. Quote OTOH, is a company like that to be crippled to the point that it cannot fulfill its mission in supporting the military because somebody gets hurt or killed and they seem to sue for billions? I'm sure that if they're unwilling to meet the requirement, another will. There's no excuse for giving out that kind of "free pass". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #49 October 30, 2009 Number of arrests growing in California gang rape Monquasha Peter, right, 19, cousin of rape suspect Marcelles Peter, 17, is hugged by famil... By TERRY COLLINS, AP Fri Oct 30, 4:27 AM EDT The number of people arrested in the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a high school dance in Northern California has increased to six and could get higher, authorities said. Jose Carlos Montano, 18, was arrested Thursday evening outside his San Pablo home. He was being held on $1.3 million bail, on suspicion of rape, rape in concert with force and other charges, Richmond police said. Authorities were still looking for suspects, and have said as many as 10 people ranging from 15 to the mid-20s may have attacked the girl for more than two hours Saturday in a dimly lit area. Montano's arrest came after three other teen suspects appeared in court for the first time Thursday. Cody Ray Smith, 15, pleaded not guilty, while Ari Abdallah Morales, 16, and Marcelles James Peter, 17, did not enter pleas during their arraignment in Contra Costa County Superior Court. Smith, Morales and Peter each were charged with rape in concert and sexual penetration with a foreign object. They were being held without bail and could be eligible for life in prison, if convicted. The three were charged as adults because of the severity of the crime, prosecutor Dara Cashman said. Another suspect, 19-year-old Manuel Ortega, was arraigned separately but did not enter a plea. He is charged with rape, robbery and assault causing great bodily injury, and is being held on $1.2 million bail. Salvador Rodriguez, 21, also remained jailed but has not been charged. Peter's aunt, Monica Peter, said before Thursday's hearing that her nephew told her he was only a bystander and didn't participate in the attack. She said he didn't do anything to stop the attack because he feared "he would get his ass kicked." Morales' attorney, Ernie Castillo, said he was still learning details about the case and didn't know "what limited role, if any," his client played in the attack. Cashman said her office has received numerous calls and e-mails about the case, mostly "expressions of outrage from all over the country." Police said the victim left the homecoming dance at Richmond High School and was walking to meet her father for a ride home when a classmate invited her to join a group drinking in the school courtyard. The girl had consumed a large amount of alcohol by the time the assault began, police said. Her father tried to call her cell phone, but no one answered. Police said they received a tip about a possible assault on campus from a former student, who heard two males bragging about it. Officers found the girl semiconscious and naked from the waist down near a picnic table. Authorities have said as many as two dozen people watched the attack without calling police. The girl was released from a hospital Wednesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #50 October 30, 2009 QuoteI guess people can say whatever they like but since California is so anti gun and pro violence, I guess this should be ignored as an anomaly? Some people need killing. Nobody was willing to put a stop to this, and yet they will all soon be voters. Guess which way they will vote? Take a guess as to how they view others who cannot defend themselves? Guns had nothing to do with this, several onlookers could have interjected. Even if 1 onlooker tried to physically intercede, the whole thing probably would have broken up. If nothing else, calling the cops would have brought an eventual end to it when they showed up. I would have called the cops and dropped my cell phone and had a little party on punk asses, I don't need guns for that litte inconvenience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
