billvon 3,120 #26 October 26, 2009 >Is there some British/American linguistic disconnect here? Nope. I don't want the use of tertiary reserves made mandatory. Does my statement mean that the FAA is about to do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #27 October 26, 2009 Quote Posting it should have been JohnRich's job. Note to JohnRich: I think you'll find that a "coward" is actually the kind of guy who flings insults where no-one else can see, then disables any form of reply mechanism. Just a thoughtDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 October 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteglass causes cancer in laboratory rats Everything causes cancer in laboratory rats...Thank jebus I'm not a lab rat! Well, the researchers wanted to use lawyers but the lab assistants refused to touch them. We're impervious to poisons that would kill the ordinary mortal. Getting back-stabbed just makes us giggle. Throw us to the sharks, and they accord us professional courtesy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #29 October 26, 2009 Quote>Is there some British/American linguistic disconnect here? Nope. I don't want the use of tertiary reserves made mandatory. Does my statement mean that the FAA is about to do it? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that if the BBC was reporting your stand on this issue, and you were speaking for the USPA, then there probably was some sort of move in that direction. Why on earth would the BBC just throw that in there? They're just trying to have a good laugh, perhaps?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #30 October 27, 2009 QuoteWhy on earth would the BBC just throw that in there? Because they went to the Pubs Association for comment, and they got a quote which was guaranteed to make a lot of susceptible people, like you, think there was more to the story than there actually is. The Home Office commissioning a new design of a glass = boring story. People coming away thinking that the Home Office might be banning our beloved British pint glass(!!) = more interesting story. But, be that as it may, there is absolutely no direct statement or suggestion in the article that this is actually what they are doing. Now ask yourself this: if there was known to be an actual plan by the Home Office to ban the glass pint glass, why on earth would they have not printed it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #31 October 27, 2009 Ah. So you're saying that the BBC is just a sensationalist media outlet, looking to drum up a story to sell papers? Better not tell Cass Sunstein, that'll blow half his body of academic work. -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #32 October 27, 2009 >Why on earth would the BBC just throw that in there? They're just trying >to have a good laugh, perhaps? It wasn't the BBC. It was a blog entry that had some quotes from the BBC article. The original BBC article says that the Home Office has commissioned a new design for pint glasses. Nothing about making it mandatory from the government, only comments from other people that say they don't want it made mandatory. However, now that The British Beer and Pub Association has used the word "compulsory," every blog out there is lambasting the UK for "mandating" plastic beer glasses. It's a classic case of the Internet echo chamber in action. No doubt soon someone will start a petition to end this horrible law, which will make its way onto Snopes as the latest urban legend. Imagine a company here that announced a new trigger lock. Within hours here on DZ.com, JohnRich would be posting "Gun-o-phobes don't even understand how this device works; there's no way it can be made mandatory." That would not be evidence of the government wanting to make it so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #33 October 27, 2009 Quote>Why on earth would the BBC just throw that in there? They're just trying >to have a good laugh, perhaps? It wasn't the BBC. Negative. I linked to, and quoted, the original BBC article. See post #20 in this thread. Edit to add: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8217775.stm QuotePlans to replace the traditional pint glass with one made of shatter-proof plastic will not be accepted by drinkers, the pub industry has warned. The Home Office has commissioned a new design, in an attempt to stop glasses being used as weapons. Official figures show 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. The British Beer and Pub Association said it did not want the new plastic glasses to be made compulsory. That's the original BBC article. Why would the BBC have included discussion about that if it was a total non-issue? Is the BBC just sensationalizing to drive up their ratings? Aren't they the non-sensational, government sponsored media poster child?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #34 October 27, 2009 >That's the original BBC article. Right, and I believe that statement is correct. That group of beer aficionados do not want the new design to be compulsory. The article also states what the government is doing - commissioning a new design for a beer glass. Do you oppose that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #35 October 27, 2009 QuoteThe article also states what the government is doing - commissioning a new design for a beer glass. Do you oppose that? Sure. Why on earth do we need the government to design our beer glasses?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 October 27, 2009 >Why on earth do we need the government to design our beer glasses? We don't, any more than we need Corning, or Waterford, or Sam Adams to design beer glasses. But often such designs are nice to have - and that is a far cry from mandating anything. (Of course, Ron could not have gotten much attention for his post had he posted "UK designs new pint glass.") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #37 October 27, 2009 Quote>Why on earth do we need the government to design our beer glasses? We don't, any more than we need Corning, or Waterford, or Sam Adams to design beer glasses. But often such designs are nice to have - and that is a far cry from mandating anything. Obviously, the difference is that tax dollars are not supporting the designers at Corning, Waterford or Sam Adams. So, let me rephrase: Why on earth do we need to spend tax dollars to design beer glasses?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 October 27, 2009 To protect us from ourselves. the role of big government today as seen by far too many "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 October 27, 2009 >Why on earth do we need to spend tax dollars to design beer glasses? For you there is no good reason that the government would ever do such a thing. For many, there may be value in creating and testing a glass that is a) safer and b) that no one else will create and test. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote Why on earth do we need to spend tax dollars to design beer glasses? Why do we pay in standard coinage? Why do we order in standard sizes? Why use standard size ammunition on guns? Why is the alcohol content expressed in standard language? Why are the doors that lead into bars certain heights and widths? Why do bars close at certain hours? Why do we let the government dictate what is and isn't standard atmosphere? Fucking standards. The whole thing is a government plot to control our lives! Fuck it. From now on I'll order everything based on my own standards. Standard size drink container is now a Flintstones jelly jar. Standard time is now whenever the sun crosses MY azimuth. Standard unit of money is now sarcasm and I'm a fucking millionaire. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #41 October 27, 2009 QuoteWhy do bars close at certain hours? I don't know. Why is that of such critical importance that it must be regulated by the government?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 626 #42 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy do bars close at certain hours? I don't know. Why is that of such critical importance that it must be regulated by the government? To answer a couple of your questions: 1) The home office commissioning a beer glass design can be as simple as them throwing an idea out for industry and product designers to consider. there is no such thing (that I am aware of) as a "regulation pint glass" although no doubt there will be regulatory standards that have to be met - which is quite acceptable. You would expect the government to ensure that a pint glass always holds 1 pint and avoids mis-selling. You'd also expect regulations to ensure that glasses are "safe" in the general sense of the word (for example leaching dangerous chemicals into your drink) I don't see any conflict is people are using pint glasses to hit each other over the head then I have no problem with a weight limit and shatterproof requirement forming part of the regulatory requirements. 2) Pub closing times affect more than just drinkers. They can be noisy, intrusive to people living in close proximity and I see it as quite reasonable that the government ensures that the general public is protected from a business that will focus on business first and local impact second.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,597 #43 October 27, 2009 QuoteAh. So you're saying that the BBC is just a sensationalist media outlet, looking to drum up a story to sell papers? No, but equally they're not going to throw away a gift, are they? But hopefully now you do acknowledge that there is nothing in the BBC source to justify the tile of the thread/ sensationalist article, which is the very simple point I was originally making.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #44 October 27, 2009 QuoteAh. So you're saying that the BBC is just a sensationalist media outlet, looking to drum up a story to sell papers? Actually, the BBC repoted it correctly. Nowhere in the BBC article did it say that the government is considering making plastic glasses compulsory. Ron was the one who sensationalised it to sell his thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 October 27, 2009 QuoteIt was a joke, Ron. Maybe, but many people do blame an object for the actions of a person. Not my fault you didn't make your joke clear."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #46 October 27, 2009 Quotebut I might point out that the thread/ article title is in no way supported by anything in the BBC link it is supposedly drawn from, and that the first paragraph of the article is also a flat out lie. Posting it should have been JohnRich's job. FAIL!!!!! QuoteBBC Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/.../uk_news/8217775.stm First part of BBC article: Plans to replace the traditional pint glass with one made of shatter-proof plastic will not be accepted by drinkers, the pub industry has warned. The Home Office has commissioned a new design, in an attempt to stop glasses being used as weapons. Official figures show 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. The British Beer and Pub Association said it did not want the new plastic glasses to be made compulsory. Fact is that the majority of patrons don't have a problem with using the glasses as weapons.... Yet the "Home Office" (GOVT) thinks that they are too dangerous."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #47 October 27, 2009 >FAIL! He's right. The article did not say that the government is going to mandate plastic glasses - just that the British Beer and Pub Association doesn't want such a mandate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #48 October 27, 2009 QuoteHe's right. The article did not say that the government is going to mandate plastic glasses - just that the British Beer and Pub Association doesn't want such a mandate. Not really... the article DID state that the GOVT was looking at ways to prevent a rather small issue; Less than 6k incidents in a population of 61m is not really an epidemic. And those situations would have most likely been violent anyway.... All they are doing is blaming an object for the actions of a person."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #49 October 27, 2009 QuoteThe home office commissioning a beer glass design can be as simple as them throwing an idea out for industry and product designers to consider. How about making the mugs out of tempered glass, like car windows? Imagine the surprise when the drunken thug at the bar smashes the end of his glass on the bar, in order to produce some razor-sharp edges with which to slice up someone's face, only to have the glass crumble apart into a thousand small chunks. The victim-to-be can then laugh in his face, and the thug will depart in humiliation with his tail between his legs. Of course, then he'll return after retrieving the knife in his car, and the government will have to ban knives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 October 27, 2009 LMAO When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
