British Government Considers Mandating Plastic Pint Glasses

[Ron 10]

When will the madness end?

http://www.loweringthebar.net/2009/09/british-government-considers-mandating-plastic-pints.html



Trying to control stabbings by banning knives that have a point on the end was bad enough. But this is really going too far.

The BBC reported recently that the British Home Office is seeking a new design for pint glasses that it hopes may reduce the number of incidents in which people attack each other with pint glasses. According to official statistics, 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. (Probably more in Scotland, though maybe they just use swords.) This public safety emergency has spurred the government into action, seeking a design that can't be used as a weapon.

Assault With a Frothy Weapon

Designers say they are considering two basic approaches: (1) plastic, or (2) something else. First, glasses could be made from plastic, or could be coated with it so that the glass would not shatter into sharp pieces if broken. Second, "[w]e could do something more radical," said one designer, "by looking at the whole shape and substance of the pint - we could come up with something that is completely different [from] glass." Seems a lot like the first approach, and it wasn't clear what he had in mind. But he continued: "Remember that years ago people used to drink out of pewter tankards. It could be quite a significant paradigm shift." That's a great idea - I'd much rather be clubbed to death with a pewter tankard.

Not surprisingly, the British Beer and Pub Association is not in favor of the plan and does not want the new glasses to be mandatory. "For the drinker," said a BBPA representative, "the pint glass feels better, it has a nice weight and the drink coats the glass nicely. . . . Is it necessary to replace the much-loved pint glass for safety reasons in the vast majority of pubs where there is no problem?" Yes, said the Home Office Minister. "Innovative design has played an important role in driving down overall crime," he claimed, though it wasn't clear what innovative design he was referring to, maybe the knives. "This project will see those same skills applied to the dangerous and costly issue of alcohol-related crime and I am confident that it will lead to similar successes."

This is one of those situations in which the tradeoff between safety and freedom is starkly presented. Requiring plastic pub glasses almost certainly would prevent some injuries. On the other hand, somebody who would otherwise be stabbing you with a broken pint glass is probably going to be enterprising enough to find something else, like maybe a pewter tankard, to attack you with. So in my view, the few injuries that might be prevented do not justify depriving millions of people of the much-loved pint glass.

The Perfect Pint Glass to Kill Someone With

After all, if preventing the maximum number of injuries is the goal, there are other areas that they should probably be more worried about. For example, according to The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents ("RoSPA") - and yes, there is such a thing - seven times as many people (40,000) are injured in pub accidents as are attacked there with current glassware. Maybe somebody should be trying to shift the bar-stool paradigm rather than tampering with the much-loved pint glass.

In fact, the RoSPA has a great database of statistics as to how people get injured in the UK, and it seems like there is a lot we can learn from that in terms of priorities. For example:

* In 2002, as many as 100,000 Britons required medical attention for injuries they sustained trying to assemble furniture.
* 13,407 were injured in accidents involving "socks, tights or stockings."
* High heels, including platform or wedge soles, were involved in 8,508 injuries.

There are also a number of categories that each involve fewer injuries than are claimed for pint-glass attacks, but which cumulatively suggest that some sort of urgent action is needed in England.

* Almost 1000 cases are recorded under the category "Cardigan sweater." What kind of accident involves a Cardigan sweater? Would making them out of plastic solve the problem?
* The 943 cases of injury due to "fairground punch machines" are easier to understand.
* The 656 cases involving "sex or marital aids": not so much.
* Gravestone or headstone (as means of injury, not end result): 615.
* Magnets: 308.
* "Pie or tart": 205.
* "Bullet" (presumably not fired from gun): also 205.
* Chopstick: 82.
* Snorkel: 41.
* "Unspecified collapsible furniture": 21.
* Finally, during 2001 there was an unexplained spike in the number of injuries involving capes (18). What are we doing to make our capes safer, people?!

A RoSPA spokesman commented that the statistics are relative and that there may be perfectly good explanations for some of the odd ones. "It seems odd," he said, that "there are so many more accidents involving trousers [5310] than chainsaws [1148], but everyone has trousers and hardly anyone has chainsaws." I think that makes sense.
Link: BBC NEWS | UK | Pubs warn over plastic pints plan
Link: The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents
Link: Scotsman.com

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,120]

I went to Petco Park a few months back here in San Diego and they had - GET THIS! - plastic glasses! When will the madness end?

[kelpdiver 2]

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I went to Petco Park a few months back here in San Diego and they had - GET THIS! - plastic glasses! When will the madness end?

when we start getting cancer from the plastics, and glass in mandated again.

[billvon 3,120]

>when we start getting cancer from the plastics . . .

True. Of course, glass causes cancer in laboratory rats, so that's no solution either.

[AggieDave 6]

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glass causes cancer in laboratory rats

Everything causes cancer in laboratory rats...Thank jebus I'm not a lab rat!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[quade 4]

Bill, the obvious solution is the gun-mug.
http://www.trojanhorseantiques.com/PewterGunMug.jpg

quade -
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[warpedskydiver 0]

They already have those, they come with Picatinny rails as well for a detachable A2 sight/carry handle

[Ron 10]

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Bill, the obvious solution is the gun-mug.

Violent people will do violent things...The solution is not to punish the majority that are innocent for the actions of the few that are violent.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,120]

>The solution is not to punish the
>majority that are innocent for the actions of the few that are violent.

Exactly. We should punish the mugs instead. They won't complain.

[shropshire 0]

um ...... If they are made of plastic then they are Glasses

[/Pedant Mode]

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Ron 10]

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Exactly. We should punish the mugs instead. They won't complain.

That is the type of logic that YOU use. And only online I might add. You seem MUCH more reasonable in person.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,120]

>That is the type of logic that YOU use.

It was a joke, Ron.

[kelpdiver 2]

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>That is the type of logic that YOU use.

It was a joke, Ron.

several jokes, in fact.

[TomAiello 26]

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I went to Petco Park a few months back here in San Diego and they had - GET THIS! - plastic glasses! When will the madness end?

Holy Shit! Petco Park is the new government? I hadn't heard.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[billvon 3,120]

>Holy Shit! Petco Park is the new government?

Why - I'm not sure! I just saw "plastic only" on the top of the sign and I stopped reading right there, and rushed to my PC to make a scathing, indignant post about it on DZ.com.

[kallend 2,153]

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glass causes cancer in laboratory rats

Everything causes cancer in laboratory rats...Thank jebus I'm not a lab rat!

Well, the researchers wanted to use lawyers but the lab assistants refused to touch them.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,153]

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um ...... If they are made of plastic then they are Glasses

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"Glass" has a technical definition that includes many polymers and even some metal alloys.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[shropshire 0]

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um ...... If they are made of plastic then they are Glasses

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"Glass" has a technical definition that includes many polymers and even some metal alloys.

Oh ... shot down ....... again. Not the first time and wont be the last ..

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[jakee 1,597]

Not to derail an otherwise perfectly good comical thread, but I might point out that the thread/ article title is in no way supported by anything in the BBC link it is supposedly drawn from, and that the first paragraph of the article is also a flat out lie.

Posting it should have been JohnRich's job.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[TomAiello 26]

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...the thread/ article title is in no way supported by anything in the BBC link it is supposedly drawn from...

Explain?

BBC Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8217775.stm

First part of BBC article:

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Plans to replace the traditional pint glass with one made of shatter-proof plastic will not be accepted by drinkers, the pub industry has warned. The Home Office has commissioned a new design, in an attempt to stop glasses being used as weapons. Official figures show 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. The British Beer and Pub Association said it did not want the new plastic glasses to be made compulsory.

They seem to be on the same subject matter, anyway.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[jakee 1,597]

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Explain?

Simples.

Find me the part of the text where they mention any plans to make a new design mandatory.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[TomAiello 26]

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Find me the part of the text where they mention any plans to make a new design mandatory.

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The British Beer and Pub Association said it did not want the new plastic glasses to be made compulsory.

Is there some British/American linguistic disconnect here? In the USA, "compulsory" and "mandatory" carry very similar meanings.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[rushmc 23]

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Find me the part of the text where they mention any plans to make a new design mandatory.

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The British Beer and Pub Association said it did not want the new plastic glasses to be made compulsory.

Is there some British/American linguistic disconnect here? In the USA, "compulsory" and "mandatory" carry very similar meanings.

Ohhh, that is going to leave a mark....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,597]

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Is there some British/American linguistic disconnect here? In the USA, "compulsory" and "mandatory" carry very similar meanings.

OK, so you've found the part where some Pub Association says, apropos nothing, that they wouldn't want the new glasses to be made mandatory.

Now if you would, please answer the question and find me the part of the text where they mention any plans to make a new design mandatory.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,597]

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Ohhh, that is going to leave a mark....

No, it won't - the new glasses are supposed to be resistant to that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?