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QuoteIf you wanted to lambaste them for thinking they're something they're not, fine. If you want to spray about stupid anarchists and their wet dream, go right ahead. But I've voted Libertarian on more than one occasion. I'm not an anarchist, and your continued equating of the two groups shows a lack of understanding, a lack of communication skills, or a combination of the two.
I think he just likes to shout over the internet. The fact that he insists they are the same thing pretty much destroys his credibility on the topic. It's like labeling all liberals or conservatives with a nasty tag that really only fits the fringe elements at the far end of the spectrum.
It's his way of saying he doesn't like them. Kinda like when a woman says she hasn't got a thing to wear. They just mean they want to go shopping cause they don't like what's in the closet. It's actually even deeper than that but that'll do for now.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
I don't know what label you'd want to put on me but I believe that the federal govt should finance a national military, manage interstate infrastructure (road/rail), mediate disputes between the states, negotiate with foreign powers (or blow them up, needs be) and pretty much go the hell home. Actual governing should be handled at the most local level possible.
Oh, and I can hit what I'm aiming at, grow a lot of what I need, and distill "trade goods" to barter for what I can't make. Still leaves me open for illness or injury and it is not the way I would want to live and I HATE plowing with a mule.
Oh, and I can hit what I'm aiming at, grow a lot of what I need, and distill "trade goods" to barter for what I can't make. Still leaves me open for illness or injury and it is not the way I would want to live and I HATE plowing with a mule.
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QuoteIn general, Libertarianism is a recipe for some form of anarchy. W/o controls, intervention, etc, the strong will crush the weak.
How can so many people get this so wrong?
Libertarianism grants the individual rights, lots of them; and stipulates that others are not to violate them. So to say it has no controls is just completely wrong.
Having rules about the rights of individuals is mutually exclusive of anarchy.
Check the party platform.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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QuoteHow can so many people get this so wrong?
Intentional "misunderstanding" to create a straw man. It lets them rant about how libertarians just want to kill and eat the weak.
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QuoteQuote>99% of the people have no clue how to live without the government
>protecting them from each other.
I think most people do a pretty good job of living without the government protecting them from other people.
Oh really???
LA riots come to mind for you???
So those guys were "protecting" Rodney King...
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QuoteQuoteThere are many flavors of Libertarianism; just as there are many flavors of other political/social philosophy. Only one extreme end of that spectrum calls for total anarchy.
That's not quite right.
Even the most extreme libertarians are not anarchists.
The dividing line between libertarianism and anarchism is the willingness to allow government to exercise force (anarchists say "no, not at all," libertarians say "only reactively."). That's a very fundamental, and fairly large, difference.
Actually, they were one and the same when the term libertarianism was first used in a political/social context. Anarchists of the time picked up on the term as a positive-sounding euphemism for their rather harsh political doctrine.
It now means something entirely different; and certainly does not equate to anarchy. The historical reference is irrelevant though and only of academic interest; the current usage being the only thing relevant to the claims early in the thread.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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QuoteQuoteThe Libertarian Ideas sound great (Much like socialism and or Communism) but sadly Basic Human Nature will not allow any of this to work.
Socialism and Communism don't work? Most of the world follows 1 of the 2 fiscal and social themes yet you like American Capitalism and say it's better? Communist China is the greatest creditor and we are the greatest debtor, but you say Capitalism works the best, huh?
(Pssst - don't anybody tell Lucky that the engine for growth and development over the entire world is commerce. And the hybrid being practiced everywhere is closer to free-market than anything else. The only difference between states is how far the money gets spread out once it enters the system).
Even the stalwarts of communism were not truly communist. Their leaders abused the shit out of the general populace. As Chrurchill said - Capitalism is where man takes advantage of his fellow man. Communism is the other way around.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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QuoteI don't know what label you'd want to put on me but I believe that the federal govt should finance a national military, manage interstate infrastructure (road/rail), mediate disputes between the states, negotiate with foreign powers (or blow them up, needs be) and pretty much go the hell home. Actual governing should be handled at the most local level possible.
Oh, and I can hit what I'm aiming at, grow a lot of what I need, and distill "trade goods" to barter for what I can't make. Still leaves me open for illness or injury and it is not the way I would want to live and I HATE plowing with a mule.
Sounds a lot like the activities of earliest US government.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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Quote>Where are they going to run to when there is no government?
Probably the same places they ran to when there was an (ineffective) government.
>Will there be more incidents like the people shot trying to go across that bridge?
Who was shot?
Some of THOSE people trying to escape Narlins after the storm while the flooding was going on.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6063982
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QuoteSocialism and Communism don't work? Most of the world follows 1 of the 2 fiscal and social themes yet you like American Capitalism and say it's better? Communist China is the greatest creditor and we are the greatest debtor, but you say Capitalism works the best, huh?
in case you missed it, China is moving towards capitalism and that is why they own so much US debt.
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QuoteQuoteHow can so many people get this so wrong?
Intentional "misunderstanding" to create a straw man. It lets them rant about how libertarians just want to kill and eat the weak.
the weak rarely have enough lean meat on them.
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Again, how do you know how these people vote? Is there some study material or data you can point to?
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