quade 4 #51 October 27, 2009 QuoteI find it even more amazing you think government is incapable of abuse of power yet lies continuously. If you scroll a bit you'll see earlier where I asked Butters; "do you personally at this moment fear dying in a nuclear holocaust?" The point being that the potential exists because the government has the tools at its disposal, but I think if you really look at the possibility of it really happening, it's an irrational fear to think it's going to happen to you as an individual. BTW, the government lies all the time about things called secrets. If a person doesn't realize that then they're being naive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #52 October 27, 2009 >I think even billvon agrees with me that right now there isn't the capability >to abuse it in the ways most people are afraid of at this time. Depends on what "most people" are afraid of. Can they monitor all calls for keywords, monitor credit card receipts for purchase patterns and monitor video surveillance for certain faces? Yes. Can they locate you to within a meter, night or day? No. Are the capabilities they have right now abuse-able? Definitely - which is why we have to ensure that they are not abused. >FFS, if it was as easy as most paranoids are claiming, the war on terrorism >would be over. That's like saying "if nuclear bombs actually worked, war would have ceased to exist a long time ago." Nuclear bombs don't prevent war any more than surveillance prevents terrorism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #53 October 27, 2009 Quote Quote I find it even more amazing you think government is incapable of abuse of power yet lies continuously. If you scroll a bit you'll see earlier where I asked Butters; "do you personally at this moment fear dying in a nuclear holocaust?" The point being that the potential exists because the government has the tools at its disposal, but I think if you really look at the possibility of it really happening, it's an irrational fear to think it's going to happen to you as an individual. BTW, the government lies all the time about things called secrets. If a person doesn't realize that then they're being naive. Let me guess this straight... - you think government abuse of power is about as likely as a nuclear holocaust. - you think the fear of abuse of such power is irrational and the evidence of such a case which spawned this thread is a cover up for a larger conspiracy. - and you have the balls to call other people irrational and naive?! - LMAO - I'm out before I shit myself. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
