cliffwhite 0 #101 October 27, 2009 Quote Quote You certainly don't care much about what it costs (someone else), though. It's not the people that set the tax code. Its politicians. I am sure if politicians set a new tax code and said that everybody must pay then everybody WOULD pay. Don't blame the poor for the fact that they don't pay the same taxes as the rich. It's the politicians that set it up this way. And actually the vast majority of Americans aren't required to pay "income tax". Yes, that's very true. And before someone posts again a section of the tax code which would seem to make you liable for income tax let's take a break and learn a bit about law. I don't know if there are any lawyers reading this thread, but if there are maybe they could chime in . See , the thing here is that when a law is written words may be defined differently,"under the law", than what the common definition may be. As a matter of fact , most new laws also include defenitions of words in the new statute. The tax code is no different . Words in the tax code may not hold the same definition as what most of us would believe the common defenition is. There is a list of defenitions included in the tax code. The tax code applies to any one living in a "state" of the United States. But how is "state" defined under the law? It's not the same as the common defenition. I mean, you or I would assume that Alabama or North Dakota were states and that if we lived there we would be subject to this law. Interesting is the defenition of "state" under the tax code! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #102 October 27, 2009 Quote You are probably not required to pay federal income tax. nice baseless ASSumption I pay taxes. I'd pay more under the Fair Tax plan (fairtax.org), only slightly more but more nonetheless, and I'd rather be under that plan.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #103 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteI wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went.I think those statistics, are readily available, to a man, like you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=high+school+dropout+rates-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #104 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote>the poor do have health care in the US. they just don't pay for it. Correct. Result - bankrupted hospitals, doctors and urgent care facilities, skyrocketing health care costs and overcrowded ER's. We should come up with a better solution. Quoteand the dem health care plan would just shift the burden to the healthy, tax paying american, with uncle sam controlling the whole system. sounds like a good fix to me not! and still leave over 20 million uninsure according to the cbo. And the Emancipation Proclamation shifted some burden to the non-slaves, Medicare/Medicaid shifted some burden to the working class, etc. We can whine about what a burden things are or worry more about the health and ability to pursue hapiness we have within our country. That is what seperates this country from others, that and the fact that we are on the verge of financial collapse yet we have a lot of the richest people on earth via low taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #105 October 27, 2009 QuoteYou made the claim, the burden is on you. You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #106 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote You are probably not required to pay federal income tax. nice baseless ASSumptionQuote I made a case as to why most Americans aren't required to pay income tax. How is my assumption "baseless"? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #107 October 27, 2009 in the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption. Now.... reading posts you made later in time, you may have been referring to the legality of the IRS and a national income tax. Since you made no allusions to that in your post that I was replying to, and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #108 October 27, 2009 Quotein the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption.Quote Not me. Reread my post. and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant. Let's see , the first time I went to the haberdashery was in 1967. It was a few years later when I bought my first tinfoil hat. So has your "telepathy" been off for that long? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #109 October 27, 2009 I'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #110 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #111 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou made the claim, the burden is on you. You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules. AKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #112 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteI wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went.I think those statistics, are readily available, to a man, like you. Really? First we'd need a complete list of Speakers' Corner posters - which I do not have. Then we'd need to find out about their schooling, and how they cared about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #113 October 27, 2009 Quote I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote By the responses from the right: quite a few. Please don't go down that road, Mr. Spellcheck/Proofread. Irony score 10/10. Check your punctuation on your last reply to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #114 October 27, 2009 QuoteI'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil . Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #115 October 27, 2009 QuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #116 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me. I think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. Now, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #117 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote ... and you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil. The observant conspiracy theorist would note that through creative application of aluminum foil one could tune a pair of rabbit ear antennas on their television and provide better reception... ...transmission and reception are reciprocal in antennas... ...just sayin'... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dks13827 3 #118 October 27, 2009 it is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #119 October 28, 2009 Quoteit is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. They have exactly the same stake as Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #120 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #121 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. The analogy was correct. Your question was not relevant to the claim in the OP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #122 October 28, 2009 QuoteI think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. your history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. QuoteNow, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Nonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #123 October 28, 2009 Quoteyour history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. We all throw little jabs in there, you and I are no angels; please don't assert that you don't. I react how people react to me. If they get silly about small spelling errors with anyone I think that peson is lost in the thread and I will point it out in fun terms. If a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it, but when they start getting abstract then the constructive arg is over. QuoteNonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort. 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Ron 10 #105 October 27, 2009 QuoteYou made the claim, the burden is on you. You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #106 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote You are probably not required to pay federal income tax. nice baseless ASSumptionQuote I made a case as to why most Americans aren't required to pay income tax. How is my assumption "baseless"? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #107 October 27, 2009 in the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption. Now.... reading posts you made later in time, you may have been referring to the legality of the IRS and a national income tax. Since you made no allusions to that in your post that I was replying to, and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #108 October 27, 2009 Quotein the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption.Quote Not me. Reread my post. and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant. Let's see , the first time I went to the haberdashery was in 1967. It was a few years later when I bought my first tinfoil hat. So has your "telepathy" been off for that long? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #109 October 27, 2009 I'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #110 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #111 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou made the claim, the burden is on you. You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules. AKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #112 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteI wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went.I think those statistics, are readily available, to a man, like you. Really? First we'd need a complete list of Speakers' Corner posters - which I do not have. Then we'd need to find out about their schooling, and how they cared about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #113 October 27, 2009 Quote I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote By the responses from the right: quite a few. Please don't go down that road, Mr. Spellcheck/Proofread. Irony score 10/10. Check your punctuation on your last reply to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #114 October 27, 2009 QuoteI'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil . Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #115 October 27, 2009 QuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #116 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me. I think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. Now, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #117 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote ... and you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil. The observant conspiracy theorist would note that through creative application of aluminum foil one could tune a pair of rabbit ear antennas on their television and provide better reception... ...transmission and reception are reciprocal in antennas... ...just sayin'... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dks13827 3 #118 October 27, 2009 it is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #119 October 28, 2009 Quoteit is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. They have exactly the same stake as Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #120 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #121 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. The analogy was correct. Your question was not relevant to the claim in the OP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #122 October 28, 2009 QuoteI think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. your history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. QuoteNow, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Nonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #123 October 28, 2009 Quoteyour history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. We all throw little jabs in there, you and I are no angels; please don't assert that you don't. I react how people react to me. If they get silly about small spelling errors with anyone I think that peson is lost in the thread and I will point it out in fun terms. If a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it, but when they start getting abstract then the constructive arg is over. QuoteNonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #124 November 2, 2009 QuoteIf a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #125 November 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Show me all the data you post and / or make your point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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rhaig 0 #107 October 27, 2009 in the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption. Now.... reading posts you made later in time, you may have been referring to the legality of the IRS and a national income tax. Since you made no allusions to that in your post that I was replying to, and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #108 October 27, 2009 Quotein the quoted context, it looks like you're assuming I'm part of that 47%. I don't know where you got that assumption. You didn't quote any basis for that statement, so I called it a baseless assumption.Quote Not me. Reread my post. and since my telepathy has been on the fritz since you started wearing that tinfoil hat, I didn't know that might have been what you meant. Let's see , the first time I went to the haberdashery was in 1967. It was a few years later when I bought my first tinfoil hat. So has your "telepathy" been off for that long? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #109 October 27, 2009 I'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #110 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #111 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou made the claim, the burden is on you. You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules. AKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #112 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteI wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went.I think those statistics, are readily available, to a man, like you. Really? First we'd need a complete list of Speakers' Corner posters - which I do not have. Then we'd need to find out about their schooling, and how they cared about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #113 October 27, 2009 Quote I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote By the responses from the right: quite a few. Please don't go down that road, Mr. Spellcheck/Proofread. Irony score 10/10. Check your punctuation on your last reply to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #114 October 27, 2009 QuoteI'd say so. I was born in 69, and I don't recall it (my telepathy) ever working, so the timing sounds about right. thanks for the timeline. helped make 2 things clear. I can't read minds. And you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil . Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #115 October 27, 2009 QuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #116 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteAKA true, I am not providing any support for my claim, it is just a whimiscal opinion. Just like you... But to be like you, I would have to throw an insult or two at anyone that does not agree with me. I think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. Now, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #117 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote ... and you wear a tinfoil hat. Actually ,..uh.., No!!! Tinfoil is hard to come by ,is prone to rust and really just doesn't polish up so well. This well dressed modern day conspiracy theorist is sporting aluminum foil. The observant conspiracy theorist would note that through creative application of aluminum foil one could tune a pair of rabbit ear antennas on their television and provide better reception... ...transmission and reception are reciprocal in antennas... ...just sayin'... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #118 October 27, 2009 it is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #119 October 28, 2009 Quoteit is not a good situation, those folks are not stakeholders. They have exactly the same stake as Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #120 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #121 October 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>>>No sense of ownership = no respect Absolutely. How does one treat a rental car versus their car? Check out a housing project. No ownership. They go to shit because there is no pride of ownership. How about a public restroom? No thanks unless aboslutely necessary. Or the public air? Or a public swimming pool? Who pisses in their bathtub? Ownership gives people something to take care of. Neglect results from not caring. Caring results from having something to lose. So you could say that because the poor don't have basis HC as would every other NORMAL industrialized nation does, they don't have the same ownership feeling as they have been disenfranchised and don't care. I like your logic, counselor. I could say that people who will receive 'free' HC won't worry about how it's paid for as much as those who are actually paying for it. Which is NOT the same as the claim in the OP. I wonder how many here received "free" public education but didn't care how it went. Do you get a better education in public schools or private schools? Compare the dropout or GED rates between public school students and private school students. How many people from public school go on to college compared to private school? Well, speaking only for myself, I got a better education than about 99.9% of private school students, and mine was ALL FREE through PhD. Not that your question is related to the topic at hand. It was your analogy. Agreed it was lame. The analogy was correct. Your question was not relevant to the claim in the OP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #122 October 28, 2009 QuoteI think we all insult people from time to time; virtually all of us well including you and me. your history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. QuoteNow, onto the regularly scheduled argument. I constantly post data to support my assertion, you rarely do. Nonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #123 October 28, 2009 Quoteyour history shows you start insulting people as soon as they provide an opinion that does not agree with yours.... That is not from "time to time". It is a well documented event. We all throw little jabs in there, you and I are no angels; please don't assert that you don't. I react how people react to me. If they get silly about small spelling errors with anyone I think that peson is lost in the thread and I will point it out in fun terms. If a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it, but when they start getting abstract then the constructive arg is over. QuoteNonsense, I post data as much as you do... Often to counter your data. It's just that you don't like it... So you throw insults as a retort. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #124 November 2, 2009 QuoteIf a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #125 November 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Show me all the data you post and / or make your point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
