Recommended Posts
QuoteQuote
Quote>In order to be in this country permanently they are required to know
>the language.
No, they're not.
In order to be in this country permanently you need to be a citizen. In order to be a citizen you need to know the language. You may want to double check the requirements if you dont believe me.
Not actually true.
You're sort of correct if you're only talking about "General Naturalization Requirements".
However, that is not the only way a person may remain in the US. It also doesn't address individuals that may not have learned English as a child yet were born in the US. It also does address the issue of a foreign born spouse of a US citizen that might not speak English.
With all the ways we have come up with that allow non-English speaking people to live here in the US permanently, I wonder just how few of our permanent residents are required to know English? Being born here I know I am exempt even though English is the only language I know and would still be exempt even if i only spoke Latin.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
QuoteGood for the cop! If she cant speak English, how in the hell can she read traffic signs? Learn the damn language people!
Perhaps continuously ticketing people that cant speak the language will force them to do so - or else face the risk of losing your driving privelages! Not a solution to the problem but perhaps it would send a message that if you want to be in this country you need to learn the language.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/DN-citations_23met.ART.State.Edition2.4bac015.html
Excuse me... Which language is 'the language' referring to? The United States has no official language. Perhaps YOU should learn Spanish, so that in 10 years, when it's spoken more frequently than English, you'll be able to effectively communicate your ignorance.
Quote
In order to be in this country permanently they are required to know the language. If they dont know, get the fuck out.
Pace yourself, you sound like an uneducated redneck.
In order to be in this country permanently you are not required to know (and to speak) English. Only if you decide to get citizenship, and even there only basic English is required (and there are waivers). But if you're a permanent resident, you are NOT required to know or speak English (although it indeed helps if you do).
* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuote
Quote>In order to be in this country permanently they are required to know
>the language.
No, they're not.
In order to be in this country permanently you need to be a citizen. In order to be a citizen you need to know the language. You may want to double check the requirements if you dont believe me.
Not actually true.
You're sort of correct if you're only talking about "General Naturalization Requirements".
However, that is not the only way a person may remain in the US. It also doesn't address individuals that may not have learned English as a child yet were born in the US. It also does address the issue of a foreign born spouse of a US citizen that might not speak English.
Or the people who may have legally immigrated, learned English well enough to pass the rigorous test of up to 3 sentences read and up to 3 written, then didn't use English and lost what little proficiency they had. I don't recall a recurrency requirement.
The cop was wrong. As someone upstream said, he created a law, not enforced a current law.
With that said, I think english should be the official language of the U.S.
With that said, I think english should be the official language of the U.S.
Lucky... 0
QuoteThe cop was wrong. As someone upstream said, he created a law, not enforced a current law.
With that said, I think english should be the official language of the U.S.
And I agree with that. Taht doesn't mean it has to be the only language tho, but I am critical of immigrants who don't learn basic English as well. If I get a chance to get out of here and they speak other than English, I would be self-obligated to learn that language.
QuoteAnd I agree with that. Taht doesn't mean it has to be the only language tho, but I am critical of immigrants who don't learn basic English as well. If I get a chance to get out of here and they speak other than English, I would be self-obligated to learn that language.
Lucky, this runs deeper than just a bunch of foreigners that don't speak english. Blame your federal, state and local governments for catering to the unwillingness of many foreigners to learn english.
Its good business practice to broaden your scope of potential customers, but at the same time businesses share some of the blame too, as do we all.
edit: grammar
QuoteQuoteGood for the cop! If she cant speak English, how in the hell can she read traffic signs? Learn the damn language people!
Perhaps continuously ticketing people that cant speak the language will force them to do so - or else face the risk of losing your driving privelages! Not a solution to the problem but perhaps it would send a message that if you want to be in this country you need to learn the language.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/DN-citations_23met.ART.State.Edition2.4bac015.html
Excuse me... Which language is 'the language' referring to? The United States has no official language. Perhaps YOU should learn Spanish, so that in 10 years, when it's spoken more frequently than English, you'll be able to effectively communicate your ignorance.
Well then we'd have to make more people learn English because they would be the minority. Anything not to offend the minority...
The cop was wrong. No question.
You can live in this country without knowing English.
Thinking you can live in this country, very successfully, without knowing any English is ignorant. English is without question the dominant language and (I'll go out on a limb here) Spanish will not be more common in 10 years.
--------------------------------------------------
Stay positive and love your life.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteAnd I agree with that. Taht doesn't mean it has to be the only language tho, but I am critical of immigrants who don't learn basic English as well. If I get a chance to get out of here and they speak other than English, I would be self-obligated to learn that language.
Lucky, this runs deeper than just a bunch of foreigners that don't speak english. Blame your federal, state and local governments for catering to the unwillingness of many foreigners to learn english.
Its good business practice to broaden your scope of potential customers, but at the same time businesses share some of the blame too, as do we all.
edit: grammar
So your solution s/b to discriminate against non-English speakers? What's your solution the gov should adopt? You've stated your problem, tell me your solution.
QuoteSo your solution s/b to discriminate against non-English speakers?
No.
QuoteWhat's your solution the gov should adopt?
I don't have a solution.
QuoteYou've stated your problem, tell me your solution.
And what problem have I stated?
The only thing I've stated is that I think english should be the official language in the U.S. and that those folks who cry "these people need to speak english, in 10 years we'll be the minoroty language" need to look at their own government first and give them some of the blame before blaming the non-english speakers who reside (legally or not) in the states.
There is nothing wrong with a country having an official language, most do.
In certain situations, being able to speak to police, fire, and medical could save your own life and those of others. I think people should learn at least a very minimal amount of the language of the country they are going to, and if they plan on moving there, they should never stop learning it. It is a disservice when families raise their children and teach them more about their native tongue rather than what is spoken where they live. Businesses who cater to non english speakers such as the home depot and others are also creating problems, let alone the businesses who hire those who speak no english.
What a wanker
.... the cop
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
kallend 2,131
QuoteQuoteThe cop was wrong. As someone upstream said, he created a law, not enforced a current law.
With that said, I think english should be the official language of the U.S.
And I agree with that. Taht doesn't mean it has to be the only language tho, but I am critical of immigrants who don't learn basic English as well. If I get a chance to get out of here and they speak other than English, I would be self-obligated to learn that language.
Following the principle of casting beams out of one's own eye before worrying about motes in someone else's eye, I think the first action should be to deal with the native born Americans (US) who can't string together a coherent sentence in English, can't spell simple words, confuse "their", "there" and "they're", and use adjectives when they should use adverbs.
...
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteI have no desire to force people to do any such thing. I am sure you would not appreciate being forced to learn Spanish just because you lived in a US community where most people spoke Spanish.
you mean like they do in Winfield Il school district were spanish is mandatory for all kids 1-8 grades. but they did drop most of the art and music classes to balance the budget.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteI have no desire to force people to do any such thing. I am sure you would not appreciate being forced to learn Spanish just because you lived in a US community where most people spoke Spanish.
you mean like they do in Winfield Il school district were spanish is mandatory for all kids 1-8 grades. but they did drop most of the art and music classes to balance the budget.
Good. For the sake of a fun debate, I say all school districts in the US should require Spanish as a mandatory foreign language course.
In many countries, English as a foreign language is a mandatory part of the school curriculum. In Finland, Swedish is. Etc., Etc. Why do they do this? Because those countries recognize that even if they have their own home language, the secondary foreign language, like it or not, has a pervasive influence on their societies.
Like it or not, people, the pervasiveness of the Spanish language in the US does not conform to the old linguistic paradigm of people who immigrated into the US in the early 20th Century. It's a different kind of melting pot, if indeed it's a melting pot at all.
In the US, Spanish is here to stay, and it's growing. If you have some degree of conversational and literary proficiency in it, you'll likely have an advantage over those that don't. Now that's just the way it is - like the weather or the terrain. You can bitch and moan about how the Spanish-speakers are trying to change all the old linguistic rules in the US, or you can get with the times and get on the bus - or get left behind.
¡Arriba!
Quote
....
¡Arriba!
.... los cojónes ..........
Sorry, could not resist.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
juanesky 0
Quote>Good for the cop!
The cop has apologized for his error; it was described as "the foolish error of an inexperienced cop."
>If she cant speak English, how in the hell can she read traffic signs?
I can read French pretty well and read road signs in Spanish. I had no problem driving in either country. But if a cop pulled me over in Spain I would not have been able to follow his questions.
(Actually did get pulled over in Italy, where we got a ticket for speeding. Not understanding Italian was not a problem.)
>Perhaps continuously ticketing people that cant speak the language will
>force them to do so . . . .
I have no desire to force people to do any such thing. I am sure you would not appreciate being forced to learn Spanish just because you lived in a US community where most people spoke Spanish.
While you were on Italy, you should have used your hands a lot, reinforcing your talk with them in gestures, and using words like mamma mia, bambino, pecorino...
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon
....
While you were on Italy, you should have used your hands a lot, reinforcing your talk with them in gestures, and using words like mamma mia, bambino, pecorino...
That's Caribbean conducta, Yank ....
dudeist skydiver # 3105
nerdgirl 0
QuoteEnglish is without question the dominant language and (I'll go out on a limb here) Spanish will not be more common in 10 years.
That comment caught my attention. Why? What's the thinking behind it? And it's fine by me if it's speculative.
I don't hold any specific strong opinions one way or the other w/r/t the liklihood of the expansion or lack thereof of Spanish speaking within the US.
I do strongly concur that if one wants to succeed in the US being able to read, speak, and write in English is a very important skill set.
/Marg
Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying
Spoken quite often by snowbirds.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Share this post
Link to post
Share on other sites