cliffwhite 0 #1 October 23, 2009 Should the government have the power to lock away people if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those people will commit a violent crime? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #3 October 23, 2009 QuoteNo My, you seem pretty strong in your conviction on this topic , Andrewwhyte! How about this ;Should the government have the power to invade sovereign nations if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those nations might attack us? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #4 October 23, 2009 What is "reasonable expectation"? It could range from someone watching rape porn (or even having a penis) to someone aiming a sniper rifle on a Congressperson from a nearby roof.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 October 23, 2009 QuoteWhat is "reasonable expectation"? It could range from someone watching rape porn (or even having a penis) to someone aiming a sniper rifle on a Congressperson from a nearby roof. The latter is actually a crime, not suspicion of a crime, so that's off the board as too extreme for your example. He measn like the guy who shot a county council member is teh ass as he was trying to kill her, then he gets 15 years and is alomost out; can you still detain him on the possibility and suspicion he might go kill her? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 October 23, 2009 Quote How about this ;Should the government have the power to invade sovereign nations if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those nations might attack us? Blues, Cliff No Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 October 23, 2009 In fact there is a reasonable expectation that most nations "might" attack most other nations. Japan had a reasonable expectation that the US might attack in 1941. Do you think their pre-emptive strike was morally justified? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #8 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo My, you seem pretty strong in your conviction on this topic , Andrewwhyte! How about this ;Should the government have the power to invade sovereign nations if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those nations might attack us? Blues, Cliff Now you're getting into a convaluded mess when you start talking about reasonable expectations. Could you arrest someone for murder because they had ak-47's in their house? No. Could you arrest someone for having fully auto ak's? Yes Would the suspicion of auto ak's in the house be reason enough for a warrant to search the house? Yes. Your first question was pretty cut and dried. Then you tried to jump about 9 levels and make it apply to an entirely different situation. Nice troll, again... but completely rediculous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 23, 2009 QuoteShould the government have the power to lock away people if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those people will commit a violent crime? Depends on what the "reasonable expectation" is based on. For example, if somebody makes credible threats against the President of the US, at the very least, he'll be arrested and locked up for at least a little while. If that same person not only has been making threats but showed up to a venue with a weapon, he might be lucky to get out of that situation alive. So, can you be a little more specific in your hypothetical?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 October 23, 2009 Quote Should the government have the power to lock away people if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those people will commit a violent crime? Blues, Cliff So, what kind of trap you settin here?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #11 October 23, 2009 I'll take No, for it is not with in our legal powers to arrest people on speculation for $500. Even in cases where there we arrest someone on charges of hiring some one to kill some one, we can't simply do it based on thought. We have to wait till funds are made available and transferred which demonstrates intent. Simply saying you wish to kill some one......doesn't hold water in a court of law.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 October 23, 2009 Put it this way, Cliffwhite. If I think you're fixin' to burn down my house, I ain't waitin' til I see you actually do something worng - I'm gonna take you out. Legal? No. Don't like it? Tough shit, Cliffwhite. Of course, maybe if you were more loveable I'd feel differently, Cliffwhite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #13 October 23, 2009 QuotePut it this way, Cliffwhite. If I think you're fixin' to burn down my house, I ain't waitin' til I see you actually do something worng - I'm gonna take you out. Legal? No. So based on your logic he could take you out prior to you taking him out? And that's why people we have something called law that relies on something called evidence and logic not "i had a funny feeling....." or the ever popular "I spoke to god and god said I should......."Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #14 October 23, 2009 Quote Put it this way, Cliffwhite. If I think you're fixin' to burn down my house, I ain't waitin' til I see you actually do something worng - I'm gonna take you out. Legal? No. Don't like it? Tough shit, Cliffwhite. Of course, maybe if you were more loveable I'd feel differently, Cliffwhite. Git him!!! +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
