georgerussia 0 #26 October 20, 2009 Quote Which is exactly what MSNBC does for the left... and I'll go ahead and bet my house that not a single person in the administration is going to accuse MSNBC of not being a "legitimate news organization." So what? They wouldn't accuse The Onion of not being a "legitimate news organization" either, even though everyone knows that. And this is because The Onion does not represent themselves as "real news network". By the way, I do not consider MSNBC news as well. I read CNN, ABC and BBC. Quote Emanuel, Axelrod, and Gibbs didn't say anything about manipulating news. They said Fox gives a different persepective and shouldn't be considered a news network, ie; different perspective = not legitimate. It's horseshit. It would be bad if they really said it exactly like that. But of course they did not. If you want to know what was really said, read some REAL news.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #27 October 20, 2009 Quote You extracted every one of those numbers from your hind end. Not only that, but you've clearly ignored the post before yours. During the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote You extracted every one of those numbers from your hind end. Not only that, but you've clearly ignored the post before yours. During the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right? as does yours, and, apparently, everybody else here ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #29 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right? as does yours, and, apparently, everybody else here Of course, and that's why his statement above is completely irrelevant.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 October 20, 2009 QuoteDuring the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!! Oh...God... ..... I don't think even YOU believe that. hoo boy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #31 October 20, 2009 Quote So what? They wouldn't accuse The Onion of not being a "legitimate news organization" either, even though everyone knows that. And this is because The Onion does not represent themselves as "real news network". The "so what" is that they're bitching and whining because Fox doesn't agree with them. They have a different perspective, therefore they aren't real news. If the administration wanted to make a point about news networks not being real news then they would include MSNBC and the other opinion shows. They aren't doing that. They're just throwing a public temper tantrum. QuoteBy the way, I do not consider MSNBC news as well. I read CNN, ABC and BBC. Congratulations. I read several different sources on all sides of the ball. Doesn't change anything. Quote It would be bad if they really said it exactly like that. But of course they did not. If you want to know what was really said, read some REAL news. They did say it like that. I watched them say it. It had nothing to do with REAL news or not. Emanuel: "the way the President looks at it and we look at it, it's not a news organization so much as it has a perspective. And that's a different take. And more importantly is not have the CNNs and the others in the world, basically be led and following Fox as what they're trying to do as legitimate news organization in the sense of both sides and a sense of valued opinion." Axelrod: "It's really not news. It's pushing a point of view. And the bigger thing is that other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way, and we're not going to treat them that way. " -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #32 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote You extracted every one of those numbers from your hind end. Not only that, but you've clearly ignored the post before yours. During the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right? According to Pew Research it was fair. It has nothing to do with my opinion. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #33 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right? According to Pew Research it was fair. It has nothing to do with my opinion. And what "fair" means for Pew Research?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #34 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Your "fair" just means "matched my opinion", right? According to Pew Research it was fair. It has nothing to do with my opinion. And what "fair" means for Pew Research? From page 1 A study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative. On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #35 October 20, 2009 >According to Pew Research it was fair. A few other Pew results: =============== April 22, 2009 Fox News Stands Out as "Too Critical" of Obama No One Network Singled Out as Too Easy When Americans are asked to assess television news coverage of Barack Obama, Fox News Channel stands out from other networks for being too critical of the president. Nearly three-in-ten (29%) select Fox when asked which of six broadcast and cable news networks have been too critical of the new Democratic president, a far greater share than any other network. In contrast, no one TV network is singled out for being too easy on Obama. Each of five networks (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS) was named by about one in six respondents in this regard. Again, the Fox News Network stands apart – just 5% named Fox as being too easy on the president. ================ Knowledge Levels by News Source Source Knowledge Levels ------- -------------------- NPR 51% high 27% moderate 22% low CNN 41% high 30% moderate 29% low YahooGoogle 41% high 35% moderate 24% low FOX 34% high 36% moderate 30% low Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #36 October 20, 2009 Quote The "so what" is that they're bitching and whining because Fox doesn't agree with them. With whom? You know, "news" is something that just happens, and the job of the "real news organization" is to REPORT news, not to agree or disagree with them. So much for "real news". Quote They have a different perspective, therefore they aren't real news. Good. So fuck them. Quote If the administration wanted to make a point about news networks not being real news then they would include MSNBC and the other opinion shows. They aren't doing that. They're just throwing a public temper tantrum. No, the administration does not want to make such a point - most likely MSNBC and the other opinion shows are not considered "real news organizations" (talk shows are, in my opinion, the worst and crappiest brainwasher - all of them - but only mentally disabled would consider talk shows "real news", so it's even less the issue here). Quote They did say it like that. I watched them say it. It had nothing to do with REAL news or not. Good, now I see it - you basically combined words spoken by two different persons, and that's how you made up the phrase you mentioned above. Good try. Quote Emanuel: "the way the President looks at it and we look at it, it's not a news organization so much as it has a perspective. And that's a different take. And more importantly is not have the CNNs and the others in the world, basically be led and following Fox as what they're trying to do as legitimate news organization in the sense of both sides and a sense of valued opinion." Note that nobody said it's not news organization at all - just comparing to others, who are providing some real news. That's exactly what you said up there. Quote Axelrod: "It's really not news. It's pushing a point of view. And the bigger thing is that other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way, and we're not going to treat them that way. " Same message - it's not as much news organization, and its main goal is to push an agenda. This is something you didn't disagree as well - you just said they are against it because they do not like the agenda pushed. Correct?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #37 October 20, 2009 Quote>According to Pew Research it was fair. A few other Pew results: =============== April 22, 2009 Fox News Stands Out as "Too Critical" of Obama No One Network Singled Out as Too Easy When Americans are asked to assess television news coverage of Barack Obama, Fox News Channel stands out from other networks for being too critical of the president. Nearly three-in-ten (29%) select Fox when asked which of six broadcast and cable news networks have been too critical of the new Democratic president, a far greater share than any other network. In contrast, no one TV network is singled out for being too easy on Obama. Each of five networks (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS) was named by about one in six respondents in this regard. Again, the Fox News Network stands apart – just 5% named Fox as being too easy on the president. ================ Knowledge Levels by News Source Source Knowledge Levels ------- -------------------- NPR 51% high 27% moderate 22% low CNN 41% high 30% moderate 29% low YahooGoogle 41% high 35% moderate 24% low FOX 34% high 36% moderate 30% low So the actual number of negative stories was equal for both candidates, but the public perception was that Fox was too hard on Obama. Very interesting. Doesn't prove anything other than public perception is scewed, but still very interesting. Perhaps it's because of the Obama love fest that went on after the primaries and towards the end of the campaigns. Of course any negative media would seem like a lot if the other networks are humping his leg. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote>According to Pew Research it was fair. A few other Pew results: =============== April 22, 2009 Fox News Stands Out as "Too Critical" of Obama No One Network Singled Out as Too Easy When Americans are asked to assess television news coverage of Barack Obama, Fox News Channel stands out from other networks for being too critical of the president. Nearly three-in-ten (29%) select Fox when asked which of six broadcast and cable news networks have been too critical of the new Democratic president, a far greater share than any other network. In contrast, no one TV network is singled out for being too easy on Obama. Each of five networks (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS) was named by about one in six respondents in this regard. Again, the Fox News Network stands apart – just 5% named Fox as being too easy on the president. ================ Knowledge Levels by News Source Source Knowledge Levels ------- -------------------- NPR 51% high 27% moderate 22% low CNN 41% high 30% moderate 29% low YahooGoogle 41% high 35% moderate 24% low FOX 34% high 36% moderate 30% low So the actual number of negative stories was equal for both candidates, but the public perception was that Fox was too hard on Obama. Very interesting. Doesn't prove anything other than public perception is scewed, but still very interesting. Perhaps it's because of the Obama love fest that went on after the primaries and towards the end of the campaigns. Of course any negative media would seem like a lot if the other networks are humping his leg. "tingley leg!!""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #39 October 20, 2009 Quote A study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Who decided what is negative story, and what is not? I personally know a few people who would consider Obama's promise to not to raise taxes to anyone below 250k (and raise it for everyone else) negative, and for some people this would be positive. Also the stories matter - is it poll report saying that Obama ratings falled 90% during last week in Buttfuck, KY, or yet another conspiracy theory saying Obama is not citizen?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #40 October 20, 2009 >tingley leg! You said you were over that! Now get to a doctor before it becomes something worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #41 October 20, 2009 Quote With whom? You know, "news" is something that just happens, and the job of the "real news organization" is to REPORT news, not to agree or disagree with them. So much for "real news". Ok so none of the news networks are news networks since all of them have someone with an opinion. QuoteQuote They have a different perspective, therefore they aren't real news. Good. So fuck them. Fuck all of them? Every news channel? You're dancing around the definition of news to try and make it fit your argument. If Fox isn't a news network then neither are the others. QuoteNo, the administration does not want to make such a point - most likely MSNBC and the other opinion shows are not considered "real news organizations" Then why did they single out Fox? They didn't say anything about the other networks and opinion shows. They singled out Fox because it's right leaning. Quote Good, now I see it - you basically combined words spoken by two different persons, and that's how you made up the phrase you mentioned above. Um, yes. They're from the same administration. QuoteQuote Emanuel: "the way the President looks at it and we look at it, it's not a news organization so much as it has a perspective. And that's a different take. And more importantly is not have the CNNs and the others in the world, basically be led and following Fox as what they're trying to do as legitimate news organization in the sense of both sides and a sense of valued opinion." Note that nobody said it's not news organization at all - just comparing to others, who are providing some real news. That's exactly what you said up there. Try and read before replying. Quote Same message - it's not as much news organization, and its main goal is to push an agenda. A. Says who? Axelrod? B. If Fox is guilty then the others are guilty. They didn't mention the others because it's not about pushing an agenda. It's about pushing an agenda that disagrees with the administration. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #42 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuote A study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Who decided what is negative story, and what is not? I personally know a few people who would consider Obama's promise to not to raise taxes to anyone below 250k (and raise it for everyone else) negative, and for some people this would be positive. Also the stories matter - is it poll report saying that Obama ratings falled 90% during last week in Buttfuck, KY, or yet another conspiracy theory saying Obama is not citizen? Just like I said. You don't like the research so now it's not really research. You don't like Fox news so now it's not real news. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 October 20, 2009 Quote>tingley leg! You said you were over that! Now get to a doctor before it becomes something worse. I said that? Hell billvon, I would have to have it to begin with to be able to get over it. Might be interesting to experiment with. Tell me first, whats it like?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #44 October 20, 2009 >So the actual number of negative stories was equal for both candidates, >but the public perception was that Fox was too hard on Obama. Very >interesting. Incorrect! FOX ran nearly twice as many negative stories about Obama as it did about McCain. Which indicates public perception was quite accurate and in line with statements from the Obama administration. The "informed" numbers were interesting. It reinforces the idea that FOX is entertainment, not news. ========================== Study explores TV election coverage Report on media bias has surprising results By WILLIAM TRIPLETT . . .During the Republican National Convention, crowds derisively chanted "NBC! NBC!" whenever the subject of media bias arose. Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly has been similarly hammering the Peacock relentlessly on his top-rated "The O’Reilly Factor." Yet, according to the study, "NBC’s coverage of (GOP veep nominee Sarah) Palin was the most positive of any TV organization studied, including Fox News." ============================ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #45 October 20, 2009 >Hell billvon, I would have to have it to begin with to be able to get over it. I think that tingley leg may be clouding your memory! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 October 20, 2009 Quote >Hell billvon, I would have to have it to begin with to be able to get over it. I think that tingley leg may be clouding your memory! YaThats gotta be it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #47 October 20, 2009 Quote Ok so none of the news networks are news networks since all of them have someone with an opinion. It depends on how much news reported are really opinions. If 80% reported is news, and 20% is opinions which is also clearly marked so, it is still real news network. If 50% "reported" is opinion, somehow disguised under news, this is not news network. Quote Fuck all of them? Every news channel? You're dancing around the definition of news to try and make it fit your argument. If Fox isn't a news network then neither are the others. Relax, you're arguing with yourself. Quote Then why did they single out Fox? Why not? Quote Um, yes. They're from the same administration. If combining different words spoken by different people into a phrase is fine with you, you should definitely be ok if I combine a phrase from different words from your different posts, right? Quote B. If Fox is guilty then the others are guilty. They didn't mention the others because it's not about pushing an agenda. It's about pushing an agenda that disagrees with the administration. Which is also fine - why should administration deal spend their time with the "news" network which goal is to misrepresent everything said to follow the main agenda, which is anti-administration? It's not like they want to close it - it's just they do not want to waste time on them. There are legitimate news organizations around who cover real news, not just pushing agenda.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #48 October 20, 2009 Quote Just like I said. You don't like the research so now it's not really research. You don't like Fox news so now it's not real news. And what's your point?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #49 October 20, 2009 Wow Obama. Are you THAT afraid to answer the tough questions? What a joke 1600 Pennsylvania Ave has become.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #50 October 20, 2009 QuoteWow Obama. Are you THAT afraid to answer the tough questions? What a joke 1600 Pennsylvania Ave has become. Have you stopped beating your wife? Just answer yes or no! What?! Are you afraid to answer a single tough question? Wow!* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
