Lucky... 0 #1 October 19, 2009 http://autos.aol.com/article/crash-1959-chevy Did the 59 have an engine? Is this a BS test to push so-called safety equP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #2 October 19, 2009 I am sure it had an engine, but those engine bays were massive. My non engineer guess is that the offset crash wasn't lined up with the engine at all. I don't think it is BS. I would rather be in my 03 Audi in a head on that my 95 Montero with the huge steel bumpers and stuff. I would rather be in either of them than a relic."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #3 October 19, 2009 Engineers figured out over that if you make a car stiff and ridgid, the passengers would sustain more injury. However, if you make it soft and compressible like an accordion, the inertia will be absorbed by the car and not carry thru to the passengers, thus less injury. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #4 October 19, 2009 Yes, safety has come a long way. Was a seat belt standard or still an option in the '59 Bel Air?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 October 19, 2009 Seems that you could tie this health care. Take the people attending end of life seminars and offer them the chance to participate as crash test dummies (for the good of the society). Save money on crash test dummies More realistic assessment crash injuries pre-tenderizing Soylent and Green ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #6 October 19, 2009 QuoteYes, safety has come a long way. Was a seat belt standard or still an option in the '59 Bel Air? That's a good question.... I cant seem to find that on the internet. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,563 #7 October 19, 2009 It was almost certainly still an option. Ralph Nader hadn't written "Unsafe at any speed" yet, and safety was still just for weirdos. They weren't mandatory for all cars until 1968. And, thinking back -- we had a 1960 Impala with no seat belts. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 October 19, 2009 QuoteYes, safety has come a long way. Was a seat belt standard or still an option in the '59 Bel Air? Pretty sure it was optional - I had a '63 Cadillac Sedan de Ville that didn't have them.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #9 October 19, 2009 Engineers! Keeping dumb people alive since 1968! But yeah those old cars "look" safe but in reality they weren't very safe at all. Especially with respect to impacts.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #10 October 19, 2009 Best part of that whole test is the set of fuzzy dice in the '59. Elvisio "not as effective as an airbag, though" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #11 October 19, 2009 QuoteEngineers! Keeping dumb people alive since 1968! Internet! Letting people make stupid comment since 1994! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #12 October 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteEngineers! Keeping dumb people alive since 1968! Internet! Letting people make stupid comment since 1994! Well, no one forced you to make one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #13 October 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteEngineers! Keeping dumb people alive since 1968! Internet! Letting people make stupid comment since 1994! And look at porn! Don't forget that! That being said there is a direct correlation between safety and risky behavior. So the safer the roads and the safer the cars the more people will do dumb things.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 October 19, 2009 QuoteThat being said there is a direct correlation between safety and risky behavior. So the safer the roads and the safer the cars the more people will do dumb things. so the trick is to make it so completely safe, that we can go ridiculously fast and out of control and still live - thus increasing our adreneline intake in a natural fashion ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,563 #15 October 19, 2009 Quoteso the trick is to make it so completely safe, that we can go ridiculously fast and out of control and still live - thus increasing our adreneline intake in a natural fashionBumper cars at the fair. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #16 October 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteThat being said there is a direct correlation between safety and risky behavior. So the safer the roads and the safer the cars the more people will do dumb things. so the trick is to make it so completely safe, that we can go ridiculously fast and out of control and still live - thus increasing our adreneline intake in a natural fashion This isn't about your 4-way team!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #17 October 19, 2009 Quote Engineers figured out over that if you make a car stiff and ridgid, the passengers would sustain more injury. However, if you make it soft and compressible like an accordion, the inertia will be absorbed by the car and not carry thru to the passengers, thus less injury. Yeah the car designers went to a DZ and it suddenly occurred to them that slowing down a body before impact was a good idea... Stretching the deceleration over a longer time frame from 60 to zero decreases the G forces on the human body.. Hence seat belts, air bags and crumple zones. Here is a car crash simulator.. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/carcr2.html#cc2 you can plug in the numbers for skydiving.. A person burning in at 120mph goes through 42 tons of force (96,341 newtons) on the body with a stopping distance of zero.. So if you have a no pull and land on concrete for example. If you spread that deceleration over a 2 foot deceleration (landing on two mattresses for example) the force on the body is decreased to 24 tons (48,170 newtons). For a deceleration of 800 feet the force on the body is 0.0602 tons (120 newtons). According to an internet article I found "8000 Newtons max would be suitable for body weights in the range 100kg to 140kg." Survivable Impact Forces on Human Body Constrained by Full Body Harness http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/hsl_pdf/2003/hsl03-09.pdf 8000 newtons of force is equal to spreading out the deceleration over a space of 12 feet. This assumes a 200lb jumper traveling at 120mph decelerating at a force of 8000 newtons. This results in a force on the body of 8028 newtons or 4 tons of force. This takes into account a 5% chance of injury.. Not too bad. The physics apply to old cars as well as skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #18 October 19, 2009 Quote Quote That being said there is a direct correlation between safety and risky behavior. So the safer the roads and the safer the cars the more people will do dumb things. so the trick is to make it so completely safe, that we can go ridiculously fast and out of control and still live - thus increasing our adreneline intake in a natural fashion Dare I say...... Swooping?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
