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It could be argued that many in the left are incompassionate because they continue to support certain social programs for political gains that have perpetuated the plight of poor people, generation after generation, in our country .

Why would they be interested in programs that break the cycle and actually improve peoples life. It is much better to continue to encourage people to put themselves in a situation that requires social life support.

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It could be argued that many in the left are incompassionate because they continue to support certain social programs for political gains that have perpetuated the plight of poor people, generation after generation, in our country .

I see and kicking them to the curb as the right would do is tough love. Meanwhile coddling the rich is nice love. Hmmm, ok, let's let Darwin sort em out. And it's your assertion that soc progs are supported for political gain, not fact or other source. Explain how a millionaire in congress is doing himself a favor by raising taxes.

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Why would they be interested in programs that break the cycle and actually improve peoples life. It is much better to continue to encourage people to put themselves in a situation that requires social life support.

So educational programs hold people in place? Right. Whne I was in college, only 25% of the people were chronic welfare recipients, the rest used it to get off of it.

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How ironic, I feel the same way: high taxes for the rich - life's not fair. Cool, we found something we have in common.

And so teh children born into that mess; let them live with it. I withdraw my assertion that the right is incomnpassionate.

So let's punish the people that made good decisions by taxing the hell out of them and reward those that made poor choices by giving them the money? Wonderful motivation for success.

Listen up kids, when you grow up, if you work hard the government can take half of everything you own too!

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How ironic, I feel the same way: high taxes for the rich - life's not fair. Cool, we found something we have in common.

And so teh children born into that mess; let them live with it. I withdraw my assertion that the right is incomnpassionate.

So let's punish the people that made good decisions by taxing the hell out of them and reward those that made poor choices by giving them the money? Wonderful motivation for success.

Listen up kids, when you grow up, if you work hard the government can take half of everything you own too!

Did you cash your Bush stimulus check last year?

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How ironic, I feel the same way: high taxes for the rich - life's not fair. Cool, we found something we have in common.

And so teh children born into that mess; let them live with it. I withdraw my assertion that the right is incomnpassionate.

So let's punish the people that made good decisions by taxing the hell out of them and reward those that made poor choices by giving them the money? Wonderful motivation for success.

Listen up kids, when you grow up, if you work hard the government can take half of everything you own too!

Did you cash your Bush stimulus check last year?

What Bush stimulus check?

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I see and kicking them to the curb as the right would do is tough love. Meanwhile coddling the rich is nice love. Hmmm, ok, let's let Darwin sort em out.

Please show me where I said anything that supported:

Kicking people to the curb.
Dissaproval of educational programs.

If you are going to argue with me, and least show the mental clarity to actually attack something I said, instead of having shadow arguments with yourself.

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And it's your assertion that soc progs are supported for political gain, not fact or other source. Explain how a millionaire in congress is doing himself a favor by raising taxes.

Political gain, and taxes, are two totally seperate concepts. Your line of thinking is one dimensional.

In congress you have power when you head a program, or chair a comitee that oversees a specific agency. The more you chair, or head, the more political capital you have. Perfect example for you: the SEC and the CFTC. We will never see the agency powers of the SEC and the CFTC merge, even if it would result in a better financial system in the US. No congressman is willing to give up their political power.

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How ironic, I feel the same way: high taxes for the rich

So what's your line for rich and how much would you tax them?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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I think I have a better question. Why don't you define what you consider the poor to be.

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How ironic, I feel the same way: high taxes for the rich - life's not fair. Cool, we found something we have in common.

And so teh children born into that mess; let them live with it. I withdraw my assertion that the right is incomnpassionate.

So let's punish the people that made good decisions by taxing the hell out of them and reward those that made poor choices by giving them the money? Wonderful motivation for success.

Listen up kids, when you grow up, if you work hard the government can take half of everything you own too!

Did you cash your Bush stimulus check last year?

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What Bush stimulus check?

Didn't you get one? Most people did.
www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/13/bush.stimulus/

The package will pay $600 to most individual taxpayers and $1,200 to married taxpayers filing joint returns, so long as they are below income caps of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for couples. There is also a $300 per child tax credit.

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Did you accept a Bush stimulus check last year?

Did you? What does that have to do with the point being vs. net gain/loss compared to taxes paid by the individual?

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Did you accept a Bush stimulus check last year?

Did you? ?

I didn't qualify.

You?

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What does that have to do with the point being vs. net gain/loss compared to taxes paid by the individual?

I didn't bring that up - ask Doug

I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's. The old right wing double standard strikes again.

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I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's.

Maybe because Bush didn't triple the deficit in his first 6 months.

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The old right wing double standard strikes again.

As opposed to the old Dem double standard, perhaps?

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I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's.

Maybe because Bush didn't triple the deficit in his first 6 months.

The fallout from the Bush recession sucks, doesn't it. And you can't say I didn't warn you.

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I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's.

Maybe because Bush didn't triple the deficit in his first 6 months.

The fallout from the Bush recession sucks, doesn't it. And you can't say I didn't warn you.

Ah, yes...the 'everything bad is due to the Republicans' gambit... how surprisingly... expected.

Mike
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The fallout from the Bush recession sucks, doesn't it. And you can't say I didn't warn you.

Right! Because economies are partisan.

Must have been all of those evil Republicans that were sucking up sub prime mortgages, cooking up CDO's, and fueling excessive consumer consumption through inflated credit lines and smoke and mirrors home equity.

All of the democrats and independents have been absent from politics, and the economy, laying low and collect welfare until just before Obushma's recent election?

I must have missed when we excluded people from government, and the economy, solely on party affiliation coinciding with presidential terms.

There were no democrats in congress for both of Bush's term? Did democrats run some sort of bizzaro professor parallel alternative economy for the past two Bush terms while at the same never participating in our evil republican economy?

What is the currency for this alternate economy, E85 and puppies?

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I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's. The old right wing double standard strikes again.

I don't recall any of the usual crowd here being in favor the 2008 stimulus. Most were complaining about how it would likely net-net as a loss for most everyone. The rest highlighted how it wasn't a stimulus, or a rebate, just a sneaky redistrubtion scheme.

and we cashed ours, why wouldn't we. Thanks for the $$$, Kallend. Though it would have been a lot cheaper for you to have just sent me $1500 directly instead of the government taxing you $2000+ just so I get $1500 and the administration squanders the extra so it ends up in some offshore account for the Kennedy's or Obama's or Bush's. Of course, I'm sure the $2000+ extra I got taxed (or my daughter in a couple decades) was also worth it so someone else here could also get $1500.

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I just find it fascinating that those who were so in favor of Bush's 2008 stimulus package are now adamantly opposed to Obama's. The old right wing double standard strikes again.

I don't recall any of the usual crowd here being in favor the 2008 stimulus. Most were complaining about how it would likely net-net as a loss for most everyone. The rest highlighted how it wasn't a stimulus, or a rebate, just a sneaky redistrubtion scheme.

and we cashed ours, why wouldn't we. Thanks for the $$$, Kallend. Though it would have been a lot cheaper for you to have just sent me $1500 directly instead of the government taxing you $2000+ just so I get $1500 and the administration squanders the extra so it ends up in some offshore account for the Kennedy's or Obama's or Bush's. Of course, I'm sure the $2000+ extra I got taxed (or my daughter in a couple decades) was also worth it so someone else here could also get $1500.

You're welcome.

You took the money. Have the decency not to complain when someone else takes the money too.

I wonder how many Republicans put their money where their mouths are and didn't cash the BushMoney checks.

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[DougH 270]

I reinvested my stimulus check in EE savings bonds. At least it would be that amount less that we mortgaged against our childrens' future with our foreign mortgage brokers.

I will be happy to contribute any interest to your bizzaro economy.

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I wonder how many Republicans put their money where their mouths are and didn't cash the BushMoney checks.

I suspect the Reps are on target to accept money back when they considered themselve overtaxed in the first place. That's consistent.

I wonder how many rich entitled Democrats put their money where their mouths are and gave an extra 40% of their income to government. I suspect none did - that's a good discussion on hypocrisy.

How much extra did you volunteer to the US Treasury last year?


Or, you are welcome to mail me another $1500 again this year as an economic stimulus. But that can't count toward the extra to the government because it could be construed as private charity which dems don't believe in.

(....I hope they get to Round 6 today)

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Obviously you have been unable to find a post to support your position, and your memory is failing.

I told you I had to go to work and would look later but since you had to be a prick about it he ya go!

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I wrote a number of times that fuel taxes were appropriate and user fees were not.

Really? You seem to think you pay enough already although the system need a major overhaul.

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I already pay through the AVGAS tax.

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GA users apparently are paying enough already.

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The gas taxes already pay for what they are supposed to pay for

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To repeat, since you apparently missed it the first few times, GA already pays for its use of the system through its gas tax.

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There's already been some discussion of this in Speakers Corner (it is a tax proposal from the Bush administration)

Oh I see! So since it's a Bush tax increase it's bad and a President Obama tax increase is good. I gottcha.

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How about the Bush administration's proposal to raise the tax on aviation fuel by 268%. Why no outrage over that?

These are just a few of your quotes and displeasure of a proposed tax increase on AvGas. For the record I don't like them either. They get plenty of money from the taxes and fee's already but somehow they piss all that money away. What I was saying earlier is when a tax increase is proposed on something that will hit YOU you don't like it. If it's a tax on someone else tax away.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Obviously you have been unable to find a post to support your position, and your memory is failing.

I told you I had to go to work and would look later but since you had to be a prick about it he ya go!

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I wrote a number of times that fuel taxes were appropriate and user fees were not.

Really? You seem to think you pay enough already although the system need a major overhaul.

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I already pay through the AVGAS tax.

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GA users apparently are paying enough already.

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The gas taxes already pay for what they are supposed to pay for

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To repeat, since you apparently missed it the first few times, GA already pays for its use of the system through its gas tax.

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There's already been some discussion of this in Speakers Corner (it is a tax proposal from the Bush administration)

Oh I see! So since it's a Bush tax increase it's bad and a President Obama tax increase is good. I gottcha.

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How about the Bush administration's proposal to raise the tax on aviation fuel by 268%. Why no outrage over that?

These are just a few of your quotes and displeasure of a proposed tax increase on AvGas. For the record I don't like them either. They get plenty of money from the taxes and fee's already but somehow they piss all that money away. What I was saying earlier is when a tax increase is proposed on something that will hit YOU you don't like it. If it's a tax on someone else tax away.

User fees are not taxes. Try again. My posts are quite clear that I have no objection to the taxes I pay, including the current fuel taxes. User fees to subsidize airlines like yours that can't manage their own affairs are another issue entirely.

What I wrote (and you conveniently snipped) was:

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I don't recall ever whining about the taxes I pay, unlike the right wingers around here.

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User fees are not taxes.

Ahhhhh ok. I guess Tolls, registration, and social security isn't a tax either. I'm done since you don't even call money the Govt takes a tax. Have a great week John.

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I don't recall ever whining about the taxes I pay, unlike the right wingers around here.

Oh yeah, only people who lean right complain about taxes. Guess thats better than the left who cheat on their taxes. Hello Geitner, Daschel, Rangel! Stop with the one sided bullshit! I don't know of anybody who jumps for joy at the end of the year when they see how much the Govt takes and pisses away then come back and keeps asking for more.

What I want is pretty simple. For the Govt to leave me the hell alone and stay out of my business! Everything they touch turns to shit and I don't trust either side.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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I reinvested my stimulus check in EE savings bonds. At least it would be that amount less that we mortgaged against our childrens' future with our foreign mortgage brokers.

I will be happy to contribute any interest to your bizzaro economy.

Bizarro? The correct term is "Voodoo" when describing the economy bequeathed to us by 20 years of Reagan/Bush economics out of the last 29, including 8 of the last 9 years.

2 decades of Voodoo Economics (Copyright 1980, G.H.W. Bush) has left us with the worst recession in 80 years and a soaring deficit.

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and a soaring deficit.

That a Dem promptly tripled.

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User fees are not taxes.

Ahhhhh ok. I guess Tolls, registration, and social security isn't a tax either. I'm done since you don't even call money the Govt takes a tax. Have a great week John.

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I don't recall ever whining about the taxes I pay, unlike the right wingers around here.

Oh yeah, only people who lean right complain about taxes. Guess thats better than the left who cheat on their taxes. Hello Geitner, Daschel, Rangel! Stop with the one sided bullshit! I don't know of anybody who jumps for joy at the end of the year when they see how much the Govt takes and pisses away then come back and keeps asking for more.

What I want is pretty simple. For the Govt to leave me the hell alone and stay out of my business! Everything they touch turns to shit and I don't trust either side.

Wriggle if you must, but you simply can't find a single post where I've complained about the taxes I currently pay.

I don't deny objecting to paying proposed user fees to bail out YOUR industry.

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