petejones45 0 #1 October 11, 2009 http://www.wclt.com//news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261 Say what you will about obama. I'm sure glad this Joker didn't get the presidencyLook out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 October 11, 2009 What a nicely unbiased and well thought out piece of reporting...Ok, so did McCain personally take a crap on this man's kitchen counter or something? He seems a little angry. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 October 11, 2009 Essentially ancient article, being that it's from February 2008. Filled with hyperbole. Typical (unfortunately) "demonizing" election-cycle opinion piece. I'm a Democrat, and I think I do try to keep myself more or less informed on things, including presidential candidates. There are no great "revelations" in this article that give it much renewed relevance today. I supported Obama during the last general election, and I support him as President now. I'd always felt that McCain, both the one running against Bush in 2000 and the one who ran in 2008, would have made a pretty decent president. Notwithstanding articles like this, I still think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 October 11, 2009 http://www.wclt.com//news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261 There you go.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 October 11, 2009 QuoteMcCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, Someone needs to do a little more researchPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteMcCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, Someone needs to do a little more research Yeah, that, too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 October 11, 2009 QuoteEssentially ancient article, being that it's from February 2008. Filled with hyperbole. Typical (unfortunately) "demonizing" election-cycle opinion piece. I'm a Democrat, and I think I do try to keep myself more or less informed on things, including presidential candidates. There are no great "revelations" in this article that give it much renewed relevance today. I supported Obama during the last general election, and I support him as President now. I'd always felt that McCain, both the one running against Bush in 2000 and the one who ran in 2008, would have made a pretty decent president. Notwithstanding articles like this, I still think so. Probably, other than his dellusion that tax cuts actually help the overall economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 October 11, 2009 Quotehttp://www.wclt.com//news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261 Say what you will about obama. I'm sure glad this Joker didn't get the presidency Woaw!!! I was unaware of that. McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was “wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany. I ran B-52's in the AF and we would do that too, for fun. Of course they weren't loaded w/bombs, but you do it 2 ways: 1) Spin the motor and before advancing the throttles @ 15% or 20% I forget, chop it off and let the motor spool down. Do it as many times as you want and then finally advance the throttle and watch out. 2) Just advance the throttle at 10%, it won't have the air flow to blow the burned mixture out and a lazy flame will hang on the aft wing for a few seconds. I would never do #1, but #2 on occassion. We had turbine power carts we would do #1 with and shoot a big flame. I read the entire article, if true, what a mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #9 October 11, 2009 First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #10 October 11, 2009 QuoteI read the entire article, if true, what a mess. It's not true! It's not even close to what happened.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #11 October 11, 2009 Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #12 October 11, 2009 QuoteSo official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Oh come on John. You of all people should know this story is bullshit. Tell me how a tailpipe fire launched a missle? I'm sure you have seen yourself what the cause of this accident was and a wet start was not it.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #13 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteMcCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, Someone needs to do a little more research I quit reading when I got to that part. This didn't happen. From THIS clip and THIS diagram you can see where the aircraft were sitting and how things happened. The guy was a pompous jackass during his military career but there's no need to blame him for killing over a hundred sailors."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #14 October 11, 2009 QuoteI quit reading when I got to that part. Unless he was trying to cook some fish with the flame that story did not happen. That was about the same spot that I stopped reading also.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 October 11, 2009 Anyone that would put "R-Hanoi" after McCain's name deserves to be completely ignored. Talk about a shit bag.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! John...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #17 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! John... I'm not commenting on this particular report since I know nothing of it, but the term "whitewash" entered the vocabulary for a very good reason. Official reports may be official, but they don't always tell the truth when the truth is inconvenient.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #18 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! Yeah... and there's a study out there that says carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed. But... guess what? People lie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #19 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! Yeah... and there's a study out there that says carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed. But... guess what? People lie. I'd be wary of making that specific claim in a public forum if I were you. You are saying certain research workers are liars. All I claim is that "official reports" are not always truthful when someone or some organization has something to cover up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #20 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! Yeah... and there's a study out there that says carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed. But... guess what? People lie. I'd be wary of making that specific claim in a public forum if I were you. You are saying certain research workers are liars. All I claim is that "official reports" are not always truthful when someone or some organization has something to cover up. So you feel more comfortable implicating someone of a intentional cover up on an official government document on a public forum? I think that "claim" could have more of an impact on someones life than showing that the final conclusions of a study were not as accurate nor as well supported as was claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteI read the entire article, if true, what a mess. It's not true! It's not even close to what happened. I've heeard he was a songbird, but a lot of guys probably were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! Yeah... and there's a study out there that says carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed. But... guess what? People lie. I'd be wary of making that specific claim in a public forum if I were you. You are saying certain research workers are liars. All I claim is that "official reports" are not always truthful when someone or some organization has something to cover up. So you feel more comfortable implicating someone of a intentional cover up on an official government document on a public forum? I think that "claim" could have more of an impact on someones life than showing that the final conclusions of a study were not as accurate nor as well supported as was claimed. This reminds me of the recent flag burner thread. I'm sure this article has some truth, then there's McCain's side, then there's the truth. Just like the FB, if we heard his side we could then measure the thruth inbetween somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petejones45 0 #23 October 11, 2009 A farce it is! Thanks rush for the clicky thing lesson!Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #24 October 11, 2009 Quotehttp://www.wclt.com//news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261 There you go. Hi rad, This guy "I-ears," I wonder what he would have written about Barry if he didn't like him?? Or me for that matter!! Ears gives the tearm,"Poison Pen" a new meaning!! On the other end of the spectrum he could make Ethyl and Julius look like Barry and Michelle, NPP and all!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #25 October 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote First of all the entire incident with the fire on the carrier was false. That is not what happened from the official report. So official reports are always the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Bridge for sale! Yeah... and there's a study out there that says carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed. But... guess what? People lie. I'd be wary of making that specific claim in a public forum if I were you. You are saying certain research workers are liars. All I claim is that "official reports" are not always truthful when someone or some organization has something to cover up. So you feel more comfortable implicating someone of a intentional cover up on an official government document on a public forum? . If you had read more carefully you would have seen that all I wrote was (paraphrasing) that official reports are not necessarily the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and therefore that relying on an official report to be the truth is naive. From the Pentagon, The My Lai cover up comes to mind, as does the prisoner abuse cover up, the fraud cover up and the "talking points" cover up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
