dreamdancer 0 #1 October 10, 2009 interesting... QuoteExplore the history of war and weapons with our timeline of weapons technology. Please note, many of the technologies are difficult to attribute, and historical dates are often approximate. 400,000 BC The earliest evidence of humans using spears, in a part of Germany now near Schöningen (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/385807a0). However, one population of modern chimpanzees in Senegal uses spears to hunt bushbabies, suggesting the technology may have been used by our most primitive ancestors. 40,000 to 25,000 BC The atlatl, sometimes dubbed the Stone Age Kalashnikov, throws a flexible dart that can kill a deer at 40 metres. Developed in northern Africa, it spreads throughout the world, being later replaced by the bow and arrow. 23,000 BC Boomerangs are strongly associated with Australia's Aboriginal people, but were actually used as hunting weapons throughout Europe and Africa. Most boomerangs do not come back when thrown. The oldest boomerang yet, 23,000 years, was made from a mammoth tusk and discovered in a cave in Poland (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/329436a0). http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17423-timeline-weapons-technology.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2 October 10, 2009 Slow day?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #3 October 10, 2009 Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc. Something for the supporters of a (very expensive) missile shield to think about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #4 October 10, 2009 Quote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc.Quote Let's not leave out the 767s that slipped right past all of NORADs safeguards. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #5 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc.Quote Let's not leave out the 767s that slipped right past all of NORADs safeguards. Blues, Cliff What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #6 October 10, 2009 Quote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #7 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #8 October 11, 2009 [reply Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe. General McChrystal says 20. Either answer being correct it's hard to figure how we'll ever wipe out the Afghan insurgency by force or any offensive operation. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #9 October 11, 2009 Quote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc. Something for the supporters of a (very expensive) missile shield to think about. Agreed. Unfortunately the only viable alternatives to an effective (expensive) defense is MAD or to just give in. I much prefer a defense that, even if imperfect, makes it as difficult as possible for an adversary to accomplish his goal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jgoose71 0 #10 October 11, 2009 Wow..... Something that wasn't about race posted by Dreamdancer. I kept reading waiting to see when the viruses were developed to take out the Black man There wasn't even a comment about how the boomerangs made from white bone were used to take out the black aborigine "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #11 October 11, 2009 Quote I much prefer a defense that, even if imperfect, makes it as difficult as possible for an adversary to accomplish his goal. I much prefer a foreign policy that make such defenses almost unnecessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kallend 2,146 #5 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc.Quote Let's not leave out the 767s that slipped right past all of NORADs safeguards. Blues, Cliff What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #6 October 10, 2009 Quote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #7 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #8 October 11, 2009 [reply Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe. General McChrystal says 20. Either answer being correct it's hard to figure how we'll ever wipe out the Afghan insurgency by force or any offensive operation. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #6 October 10, 2009 Quote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #7 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuote[ What about the Cessna 152 that Matthias Rust slipped past the USSR's air defenses. Which certainly reinforces your point about offense vs defense, Professor. Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #8 October 11, 2009 [reply Hey as long as I have a man with a math backround here let me ask you a question . If you have ten insurgents (I really prefer the terminology"pissed off locals") operating in an area and you kill two of them, how many are left? Blues, Cliff 12, I believe. General McChrystal says 20. Either answer being correct it's hard to figure how we'll ever wipe out the Afghan insurgency by force or any offensive operation. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #9 October 11, 2009 Quote Throughout history offensive weapons have almost always had the advantage over defenses that were more costly. Examples being the "long bodkin" arrowhead that overcame armored cavalry (Crecy, Agincourt), the cannon that rendered castles obsolete, bomber aircraft that ended the reign of battleships, RPGs that take out helicopters, etc. Something for the supporters of a (very expensive) missile shield to think about. Agreed. Unfortunately the only viable alternatives to an effective (expensive) defense is MAD or to just give in. I much prefer a defense that, even if imperfect, makes it as difficult as possible for an adversary to accomplish his goal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #10 October 11, 2009 Wow..... Something that wasn't about race posted by Dreamdancer. I kept reading waiting to see when the viruses were developed to take out the Black man There wasn't even a comment about how the boomerangs made from white bone were used to take out the black aborigine "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #11 October 11, 2009 Quote I much prefer a defense that, even if imperfect, makes it as difficult as possible for an adversary to accomplish his goal. I much prefer a foreign policy that make such defenses almost unnecessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
