Skyrad 0 #26 October 11, 2009 Tin foil hat anyone?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #27 October 12, 2009 For those fighting in Afghanistan*** You mom is fighting in Afghanistan. Moms are OK right? Bill? Anyone? I don't think I've seen any mom joke rules on the website. Figured I might as well drop down to the samelevel as any post revolving around a 9-11 conspiracy theory. I wonder what all the missing passengers living on that non-existent island in the pacific think about this. That's where the government stashed 'em right? On an island?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #28 October 12, 2009 QuoteTin foil hat anyone? A silver painted football helmet is far more effectiveHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #29 October 12, 2009 QuoteFor those fighting in Afghanistan*** You mom is fighting in Afghanistan. Moms are OK right? Bill? Anyone? I don't think I've seen any mom joke rules on the website. Figured I might as well drop down to the samelevel as any post revolving around a 9-11 conspiracy theory. Let's see ,GQ.., We've established that the Jessica Lynch story was a lie. We've established that the Patrick Tillman story was a lie. We know that the US government lies to its' own citizens. But we should believe ,as you obviously do, the "official conspiracy" theory as put forth by the US government even though it is full of inconsitancies and impossibilities? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #30 October 12, 2009 Let's se brainiac, we've been over this 9-11 theory 5 dozen times on this website and even have a handful of engineers around here who have weighed in on it all in avor f them being terrorist attacks. Did the moon landing happen in AZ as well?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #31 October 12, 2009 QuoteLet's se brainiac, we've been over this 9-11 theory 5 dozen times on this website and even have a handful of engineers around here who have weighed in on it all in avor f them being terrorist attacks. Did the moon landing happen in AZ as well? As we al know the US lied to us about Tillman and Lynch. More specificly "The US Military" lied to us about Tillman and Lynch . The US military failed to perform thir duty on 9-11. They didn't even defend their own headquarters. Knowing that military persons are liars and much of the evidence of 9-11 was presented by the military , I'd have to say we probably haven't gotten the truth on that score. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #32 October 12, 2009 Quote Did the moon landing happen in AZ as well? Of course it did. No way did we land on the moon. Are you nuts? I'm of two minds about arguing with conspiracy theorists. It can be fun, and Jim Oberg has said that if one does not take the time to quash such nonsense, it will spread. (He used to do a lot of debunking in some of the more outré usenet groups, and he especially had fun with the denizens of alt.alien.visitors.) On the other hand, it has always seemed to me a terrible waste of time put to better purpose, because people who get wonky ideas either want to believe them--to the extent that they won't give them up, no matter the proofs they're offered--or they're so crazy they can't not believe them. Still, if you're having fun, it certainly can't hurt.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #33 October 12, 2009 I've used my cell phone for a phone call (at that time it was a blackberry pearl) above 10,000 feet descending into Kona, Hawaii in the middle of the pacific. My guess is I was between 12-14000 feet at over 300 kts... again, in the middle of the pacific ocean.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #34 October 12, 2009 Quote Did the moon landing happen in AZ as well? I believe it was actually New Mexico Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertimeunc 0 #35 October 12, 2009 When we couldn't raise squadron ops on our radios to coordinate different MOA entry times or low-level entry times, we used a cell phone at least twice to get in contact with them. This was at 22000 feet and 360 knots true airspeed. Yes, cell phones work in airplanes, they just cause a slight popping sound inside the pilot's headset.The best things in life are dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #36 October 12, 2009 QuoteI've used my cell phone for a phone call (at that time it was a blackberry pearl) above 10,000 feet descending into Kona, Hawaii in the middle of the pacific. My guess is I was between 12-14000 feet at over 300 kts... again, in the middle of the pacific ocean. Hmmm.., a Blackberry Pearl. And when was the Blackberry Pearl released? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 October 12, 2009 Tell you what - you provide links to hard, technical evidence that those calls could not have been made as reported under 2001 technology, and then let the techies on here reply to that evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #38 October 12, 2009 QuoteTell you what - you provide links to hard, technical evidence that those calls could not have been made as reported under 2001 technology, and then let the techies on here reply to that evidence. How about if we agree that the FBI testified that Barbara Olsen never talked to her husband from flight 77 as claimed by Ted Olsen on national TV. Ted told of quite an elaborate phone conversation with his wife who was calling from her cellphone. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #39 October 12, 2009 Quote Knowing that military persons are liars........ Blues, Cliff You owe a HUGE appology to a lot of people. And you knowledge of the Military and it's workings is flawed. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 October 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteTell you what - you provide links to hard, technical evidence that those calls could not have been made as reported under 2001 technology, and then let the techies on here reply to that evidence. How about if we agree that the FBI testified that Barbara Olsen never talked to her husband from flight 77 as claimed by Ted Olsen on national TV. Ted told of quite an elaborate phone conversation with his wife who was calling from her cellphone. Not good enough. Technical evidence, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #41 October 12, 2009 Since the FBI is part of the Government, and the Government is conspiring, why believe them? Of course we could ignore that maybe Ted told the truth and the FBI got it wrong, or maybe even Ted is just trying to hold on to his wife through this one last heroic memory? I dunno, but there is no factual evidence to back your theory, just some kookoo postings. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #42 October 12, 2009 QuoteSince the FBI is part of the Government, and the Government is conspiring, why believe them? Of course we could ignore that maybe Ted told the truth and the FBI got it wrong, or maybe even Ted is just trying to hold on to his wife through this one last heroic memory? I dunno, but there is no factual evidence to back your theory, just some kookoo postings. Matt There is no factual evidence to back the governments' conspiracy theory either. As a matter of fact at least 7 of the governments' supposed terrorist hijackers are alive today. Guess they weren't on those planes after all. As far as Osama Bin Ladin, the FBI website doesn't list him as wanted for any crimes related to 9-11 ,which officially is why we invaded Afghanistan. Further the majority (6 out of 10) members of the 9-11 Commision now doubt the veracity of their own report. If they don't believe it and they wrote it, why would you? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #43 October 12, 2009 If your 7 are alive theory is just because the names are still out there, I looked at google real quick and found over 200,000 Cliff Whites. 10 have commited Felonies, does that make you a Felon because you have the same name? No. SO the 7 "alive" may just be 7 same names. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #44 October 12, 2009 QuoteQuote Knowing that military persons are liars........ Blues, Cliff You owe a HUGE appology to a lot of people. I stand behind my statement Mr. Cline. As a matter of fact, let me ask you.., have you ever lied,Mr. Cline? Were you or are you currently a member of the military? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #45 October 12, 2009 QuoteIf your 7 are alive theory is just because the names are still out there, I looked at google real quick and found over 200,000 Cliff Whites. 10 have commited Felonies, does that make you a Felon because you have the same name? Quote The question may be whether they are felons because they have the same name as me. But back to the "terrorist hijackers" . Since many of them trained at military installations in Florida , the identification based on a tad bit more than just the names. As a matter of fact, Mr.Cline, the manifest of each of the four flights contained not a single name of the accused hijackers. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #46 October 12, 2009 Context, Cliff, don't forget it. You made a BLANKET statement to the charector of ALL Military Personel in regards to Afghanistan, that is out of context. Where you should have been talking about its civilian leadership, appointed by politicians voted in to office, that would have been in context. So to answer you out of context question. Yes, (I'm sure like you) I have lied, for my military duties? No. SO this makes you "right" but this is out of context. And YES, before my retirement, I served for 21 years and 1 month, I stood with my body between you and our counties enemy/s so you could stand behind my back and cowardly talk shit from the relative safety me and my service member TEAM MATES provided you. How about you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #47 October 12, 2009 QuoteContext, Cliff, don't forget it. Quote Ironic! So to answer you out of context question. Yes, (I'm sure like you) I have lied, for my military duties? No. SO this makes you "right" but this is out of context. And YES, before my retirement, I served for 21 years and 1 month, I stood with my body between you and our counties enemy/s so you could stand behind my back and cowardly talk shit from the relative safety me and my service member TEAM MATES provided you. Quote You and your "TEAM MATES" didn't do so well on 9-11 did you ,Mr. Cline. Not only were you not between the country and those who brought down the towers , but you failed to do even one thing to protect your own headquarters !!! "Heck of a job " ,Mr. Cline Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #48 October 12, 2009 I failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow. I imagine that if the Military was allowed to operate freely with out restaint on US soil, so as to satisfy your desire, then you would cry that they are operating freely! And as to your "heck of a job", thank you, oh was that not in the context you meant? You still owe me an answer as to your service. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 October 12, 2009 QuoteI failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow.Quote Really? When ordered to scramble and intercept flight 77 the military sent aircraft from so far away (even though closer airfields should have been prepared )that they failed the mission. "Heck of a job" ,Matthew !! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #50 October 12, 2009 Let me see, an airfieled was tasked with the scramble, they did that as soon as the Civilian Leadership said "GO". The FAA had to get the specific A/C and location to the AF, the FAA had issues there, the AF waited as not to shoot an innocent down. Then didn't you post some where that the VP had put a "Hold Order" out? Again how did the Military fail? Is it because they had discipline and waited till they had verification of the orders and confirmation of the targets? Your still avoiding my question aren't you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! 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matthewcline 0 #46 October 12, 2009 Context, Cliff, don't forget it. You made a BLANKET statement to the charector of ALL Military Personel in regards to Afghanistan, that is out of context. Where you should have been talking about its civilian leadership, appointed by politicians voted in to office, that would have been in context. So to answer you out of context question. Yes, (I'm sure like you) I have lied, for my military duties? No. SO this makes you "right" but this is out of context. And YES, before my retirement, I served for 21 years and 1 month, I stood with my body between you and our counties enemy/s so you could stand behind my back and cowardly talk shit from the relative safety me and my service member TEAM MATES provided you. How about you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #47 October 12, 2009 QuoteContext, Cliff, don't forget it. Quote Ironic! So to answer you out of context question. Yes, (I'm sure like you) I have lied, for my military duties? No. SO this makes you "right" but this is out of context. And YES, before my retirement, I served for 21 years and 1 month, I stood with my body between you and our counties enemy/s so you could stand behind my back and cowardly talk shit from the relative safety me and my service member TEAM MATES provided you. Quote You and your "TEAM MATES" didn't do so well on 9-11 did you ,Mr. Cline. Not only were you not between the country and those who brought down the towers , but you failed to do even one thing to protect your own headquarters !!! "Heck of a job " ,Mr. Cline Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #48 October 12, 2009 I failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow. I imagine that if the Military was allowed to operate freely with out restaint on US soil, so as to satisfy your desire, then you would cry that they are operating freely! And as to your "heck of a job", thank you, oh was that not in the context you meant? You still owe me an answer as to your service. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #49 October 12, 2009 QuoteI failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow.Quote Really? When ordered to scramble and intercept flight 77 the military sent aircraft from so far away (even though closer airfields should have been prepared )that they failed the mission. "Heck of a job" ,Matthew !! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #50 October 12, 2009 Let me see, an airfieled was tasked with the scramble, they did that as soon as the Civilian Leadership said "GO". The FAA had to get the specific A/C and location to the AF, the FAA had issues there, the AF waited as not to shoot an innocent down. Then didn't you post some where that the VP had put a "Hold Order" out? Again how did the Military fail? Is it because they had discipline and waited till they had verification of the orders and confirmation of the targets? Your still avoiding my question aren't you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
matthewcline 0 #48 October 12, 2009 I failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow. I imagine that if the Military was allowed to operate freely with out restaint on US soil, so as to satisfy your desire, then you would cry that they are operating freely! And as to your "heck of a job", thank you, oh was that not in the context you meant? You still owe me an answer as to your service. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #49 October 12, 2009 QuoteI failed at nothing. You how ever have. Maybe you should have a better understanding of the laws that control how the Military is to be used on our soil? How the Civilian Leadership is in charge and issues the orders to allow the Military to operate? They did fantastic given the orders from the civilian leadership they had to follow.Quote Really? When ordered to scramble and intercept flight 77 the military sent aircraft from so far away (even though closer airfields should have been prepared )that they failed the mission. "Heck of a job" ,Matthew !! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #50 October 12, 2009 Let me see, an airfieled was tasked with the scramble, they did that as soon as the Civilian Leadership said "GO". The FAA had to get the specific A/C and location to the AF, the FAA had issues there, the AF waited as not to shoot an innocent down. Then didn't you post some where that the VP had put a "Hold Order" out? Again how did the Military fail? Is it because they had discipline and waited till they had verification of the orders and confirmation of the targets? Your still avoiding my question aren't you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
matthewcline 0 #50 October 12, 2009 Let me see, an airfieled was tasked with the scramble, they did that as soon as the Civilian Leadership said "GO". The FAA had to get the specific A/C and location to the AF, the FAA had issues there, the AF waited as not to shoot an innocent down. Then didn't you post some where that the VP had put a "Hold Order" out? Again how did the Military fail? Is it because they had discipline and waited till they had verification of the orders and confirmation of the targets? Your still avoiding my question aren't you? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
