justinb138 0 #151 October 10, 2009 Quote I'm not backing off, where did I say it should all go to the government. I think inheritance taxes s/b steep, but there s/b exceptions where there was a family unit with minors, etc. In cases where the deceased had no minor children it s/b steep. So you'd prefer bureaucrats in Washington get Bill Gates's $58 billion dollars instead of him donating it to his foundation? You'd like Chris Dodd to decide what to do with it as opposed to having it go towards HIV research, or Education? Don't you care about the children? Or do you just prefer to use the pretext of charity as a means to further your own agenda? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #152 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo how is the prize committee going to react if Obama decides it's time to go after Iran? What would it say about the value of the prize if the current year's winner starts a war? I'm guessing they'd feel like the idiots at Time magazine that made Hitler the man of the year. I don't think that's a good analogy. Time's annual person of the year designation is not an award for goodness, it's an acknowledgment of influence. Similarly, on another instance, time gave the designation to Josef Stalin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #153 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteThank you Mr. Kallend. So why do you feel Tim Berners-Lee is more deserving of a Nobel Peace prize than President Obama? What do you think this is? Twenty Questions? he's jsut trying to understand your reasoning like many here tried to understand the reasoning behind awarding the Nobel to Obama.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #154 October 10, 2009 Quote QuoteOh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. so it really is all about arbitrary lines then.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #155 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuote I'm not backing off, where did I say it should all go to the government. I think inheritance taxes s/b steep, but there s/b exceptions where there was a family unit with minors, etc. In cases where the deceased had no minor children it s/b steep. So you'd prefer bureaucrats in Washington get Bill Gates's $58 billion dollars instead of him donating it to his foundation? You'd like Chris Dodd to decide what to do with it as opposed to having it go towards HIV research, or Education? Don't you care about the children? Or do you just prefer to use the pretext of charity as a means to further your own agenda? I prefer all taxes be higher, esp for the rich so we can close the gap a bit and decrease the debt one day. Either do it on our own or it will be done for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #156 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuote QuoteOh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. so it really is all about arbitrary lines then. No, it's all about 'follow the money.' How can you tax the lower 80% when 93% of all cash is above them? Isn't that like trying to milk an Elk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #157 October 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. so it really is all about arbitrary lines then. No, it's all about 'follow the money.' How can you tax the lower 80% when 93% of all cash is above them? Isn't that like trying to milk an Elk? Did you mean to say "milk a bull"?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #158 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote I'm not backing off, where did I say it should all go to the government. I think inheritance taxes s/b steep, but there s/b exceptions where there was a family unit with minors, etc. In cases where the deceased had no minor children it s/b steep. So you'd prefer bureaucrats in Washington get Bill Gates's $58 billion dollars instead of him donating it to his foundation? You'd like Chris Dodd to decide what to do with it as opposed to having it go towards HIV research, or Education? Don't you care about the children? Or do you just prefer to use the pretext of charity as a means to further your own agenda? I prefer all taxes be higher, esp for the rich so we can close the gap a bit and decrease the debt one day. Either do it on our own or it will be done for us. So that's a Yes on the last question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #159 October 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. so it really is all about arbitrary lines then. No, it's all about 'follow the money.' How can you tax the lower 80% when 93% of all cash is above them? Isn't that like trying to milk an Elk? Did you mean to say "milk a bull"? No, I let you milk all the bull we can handle. I meant that you cannot milk an elk and collecting taxes from the poor is like doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #160 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I'm not backing off, where did I say it should all go to the government. I think inheritance taxes s/b steep, but there s/b exceptions where there was a family unit with minors, etc. In cases where the deceased had no minor children it s/b steep. So you'd prefer bureaucrats in Washington get Bill Gates's $58 billion dollars instead of him donating it to his foundation? You'd like Chris Dodd to decide what to do with it as opposed to having it go towards HIV research, or Education? Don't you care about the children? Or do you just prefer to use the pretext of charity as a means to further your own agenda? I prefer all taxes be higher, esp for the rich so we can close the gap a bit and decrease the debt one day. Either do it on our own or it will be done for us. So that's a Yes on the last question? I don't ever recall making a statement that creates a pretext for charity. I assume you're calling social svs charity, I do not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #161 October 10, 2009 Quote No, it's all about 'follow the money.' How can you tax the lower 80% when 93% of all cash is above them? Isn't that like trying to milk an Elk? my point was you pick a line below which you don't tax, and another line above which you accerate the tax rate. I'd prefer something along the lines of the fair tax proposal (http://fairtax.org/). The only downside to it is that it discourages spending, and we don't need to discourage spending right now. Once the recovery has taken hold, it would be a better time to implement it as at ends up increasing cashflow (both positive and negative) for consumers.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsandreas 0 #162 October 10, 2009 Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Quote Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #163 October 10, 2009 Quotemy point was you pick a line below which you don't tax, and another line above which you accerate the tax rate. I understand, all or nothing. Of course low income people should still pay some taxes, but higher income should pay more and close the gap a little. QuoteI'd prefer something along the lines of the fair tax proposal (http://fairtax.org/). The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities. Talk about trying to slow sales. Geez, I think taxes are best when distributed in type throughout many areas. QuoteThe only downside to it is that it discourages spending, and we don't need to discourage spending right now. Once the recovery has taken hold, it would be a better time to implement it as at ends up increasing cashflow (both positive and negative) for consumers. I wrote the same before I read that. Of course it would. I think it's a bad idea to lump taxes anywhere, it would cause a slump in that area. Taxes are best distributed in type throughout everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #164 October 11, 2009 QuoteIdiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Quote Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. That was my quote, and the second time you called me an idiot. Do you think putting Kallend's name on it will fool anyone? Can you not even address people without calling them names and personal attacks? QuoteIncome is taxed for the most part. So I guess, capital gains, sales tax, property tax, excise tax, tolls, and all other assignments like that are not taxes. It's hard to legitimately move money w/o a tax attached. And with property tax, you're not even moving money and you get taxed. Taxes are many and dynamic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #165 October 11, 2009 Quote Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Since I didn't post the material to which you respond, it seems like the idiot is the person who incorrectly attributed it ("in reply to") to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #166 October 11, 2009 Kallend...sorry for that, my error. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #167 October 11, 2009 - I didn't call you anything. - Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). - Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. Money is not taxed as real property in at least the 11 states I have lived in. It is NOT taxed by the Feds...only income from it is taxed. - There are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". - Money is not taxed. - Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #168 October 11, 2009 QuoteCan anyone actually defend this complete load of horse shit? I see that bill mentioned ODS, but it appears that no one has posted this video yet. I think she does an excellent job of defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84oIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #169 October 11, 2009 QuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #170 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #171 October 11, 2009 QuoteMaybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Well, then I guess all Americans can feel that they won the award together, since we voted for Obama. In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #172 October 11, 2009 Quote In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue. What part of the Bush agenda has he not allowed to continue? Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? The situation with Iran? Patriot Act? Closing Gitmo? Torture? Massive borrowing and debt? Really, I'm curious. What's the difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #173 October 11, 2009 Quote she As an aside, I often like to refer to her by her longer, more formal designation: Dr. Maddow, Rhodes Laureate. Makes righties sputter and get all red-in-the-face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #174 October 11, 2009 QuoteI didn't call you anything. You wrote: Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Grow up. Bill told you to quit it. Quote- Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). The movement of mioney is taxed. If a billionaire rolled all his gains back into his business, took no paycheck, he would not be taxed because he didn't move any money out of anything. For the most part, when money moves, it's taxed. Quote Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. I thought that was moot. Property tax is for real estate. Where are cars taxed as property tax? A dealer might have an inventory tax, but a car's tags are not considered property tax. So that's my point, property tax, tolls and other like areas are taxes that require no movement of money, other than that, when money moves it's taxed. QuoteThere are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". This is just a parroting of what I wrote above, you're just repeating and agreeing with me. QuoteMoney is not taxed. The movement of money is taxed by way of sales tax, employment-related taxes, etc. Other than property tax and a few others, taxes are colleccted when money moves, therefore money is taxed. You buy something new (and many used), sales tax. You earn pay, it's taxed. You sit on your ass and do nothing, no taxes. QuoteInstead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Oh, with welfare and job training programs, HC, etc? I see we agree once more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #175 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Just as GWB had big shoes to fill, and didn't even fill the little toe, Obama has tiny baby shoes to fill and he is trying to stuff his toes in and cannot. You know he's wishing he and Harris didn't rob the 2000 election; he could just have gone down as a failed governor, now he has failed president to go with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Lucky... 0 #163 October 10, 2009 Quotemy point was you pick a line below which you don't tax, and another line above which you accerate the tax rate. I understand, all or nothing. Of course low income people should still pay some taxes, but higher income should pay more and close the gap a little. QuoteI'd prefer something along the lines of the fair tax proposal (http://fairtax.org/). The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities. Talk about trying to slow sales. Geez, I think taxes are best when distributed in type throughout many areas. QuoteThe only downside to it is that it discourages spending, and we don't need to discourage spending right now. Once the recovery has taken hold, it would be a better time to implement it as at ends up increasing cashflow (both positive and negative) for consumers. I wrote the same before I read that. Of course it would. I think it's a bad idea to lump taxes anywhere, it would cause a slump in that area. Taxes are best distributed in type throughout everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #164 October 11, 2009 QuoteIdiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Quote Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines? Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money. That was my quote, and the second time you called me an idiot. Do you think putting Kallend's name on it will fool anyone? Can you not even address people without calling them names and personal attacks? QuoteIncome is taxed for the most part. So I guess, capital gains, sales tax, property tax, excise tax, tolls, and all other assignments like that are not taxes. It's hard to legitimately move money w/o a tax attached. And with property tax, you're not even moving money and you get taxed. Taxes are many and dynamic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #165 October 11, 2009 Quote Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Since I didn't post the material to which you respond, it seems like the idiot is the person who incorrectly attributed it ("in reply to") to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #166 October 11, 2009 Kallend...sorry for that, my error. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dsandreas 0 #167 October 11, 2009 - I didn't call you anything. - Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). - Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. Money is not taxed as real property in at least the 11 states I have lived in. It is NOT taxed by the Feds...only income from it is taxed. - There are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". - Money is not taxed. - Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #168 October 11, 2009 QuoteCan anyone actually defend this complete load of horse shit? I see that bill mentioned ODS, but it appears that no one has posted this video yet. I think she does an excellent job of defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84oIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #169 October 11, 2009 QuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #170 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #171 October 11, 2009 QuoteMaybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Well, then I guess all Americans can feel that they won the award together, since we voted for Obama. In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #172 October 11, 2009 Quote In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue. What part of the Bush agenda has he not allowed to continue? Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? The situation with Iran? Patriot Act? Closing Gitmo? Torture? Massive borrowing and debt? Really, I'm curious. What's the difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #173 October 11, 2009 Quote she As an aside, I often like to refer to her by her longer, more formal designation: Dr. Maddow, Rhodes Laureate. Makes righties sputter and get all red-in-the-face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #174 October 11, 2009 QuoteI didn't call you anything. You wrote: Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Grow up. Bill told you to quit it. Quote- Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). The movement of mioney is taxed. If a billionaire rolled all his gains back into his business, took no paycheck, he would not be taxed because he didn't move any money out of anything. For the most part, when money moves, it's taxed. Quote Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. I thought that was moot. Property tax is for real estate. Where are cars taxed as property tax? A dealer might have an inventory tax, but a car's tags are not considered property tax. So that's my point, property tax, tolls and other like areas are taxes that require no movement of money, other than that, when money moves it's taxed. QuoteThere are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". This is just a parroting of what I wrote above, you're just repeating and agreeing with me. QuoteMoney is not taxed. The movement of money is taxed by way of sales tax, employment-related taxes, etc. Other than property tax and a few others, taxes are colleccted when money moves, therefore money is taxed. You buy something new (and many used), sales tax. You earn pay, it's taxed. You sit on your ass and do nothing, no taxes. QuoteInstead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Oh, with welfare and job training programs, HC, etc? I see we agree once more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #175 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Just as GWB had big shoes to fill, and didn't even fill the little toe, Obama has tiny baby shoes to fill and he is trying to stuff his toes in and cannot. You know he's wishing he and Harris didn't rob the 2000 election; he could just have gone down as a failed governor, now he has failed president to go with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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kallend 2,150 #165 October 11, 2009 Quote Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Income is taxed for the most part. If you inherit great wealth like the Kennedys or Rockefellers you only pay tax on the income from your stash of money. Don't have to do any real work, live like a king, pretend you are dedicating yourself to public service, and pay very little taxes. If you start with nothing, work your ass off, save your money, risk it to start a business, hire people, make a lot of income the Feds want to confiscate as much as possible. Then they give it to others sitting on their asses not willing to lift a finger. Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Since I didn't post the material to which you respond, it seems like the idiot is the person who incorrectly attributed it ("in reply to") to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsandreas 0 #166 October 11, 2009 Kallend...sorry for that, my error. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsandreas 0 #167 October 11, 2009 - I didn't call you anything. - Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). - Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. Money is not taxed as real property in at least the 11 states I have lived in. It is NOT taxed by the Feds...only income from it is taxed. - There are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". - Money is not taxed. - Instead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #168 October 11, 2009 QuoteCan anyone actually defend this complete load of horse shit? I see that bill mentioned ODS, but it appears that no one has posted this video yet. I think she does an excellent job of defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJuEOaF84oIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #169 October 11, 2009 QuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #170 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #171 October 11, 2009 QuoteMaybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Well, then I guess all Americans can feel that they won the award together, since we voted for Obama. In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #172 October 11, 2009 Quote In essence, the Nobel Committee is giving the award to all of us for not allowing the Bush agenda to continue. What part of the Bush agenda has he not allowed to continue? Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? The situation with Iran? Patriot Act? Closing Gitmo? Torture? Massive borrowing and debt? Really, I'm curious. What's the difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #173 October 11, 2009 Quote she As an aside, I often like to refer to her by her longer, more formal designation: Dr. Maddow, Rhodes Laureate. Makes righties sputter and get all red-in-the-face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #174 October 11, 2009 QuoteI didn't call you anything. You wrote: Idiotic comment...money is not taxed. Grow up. Bill told you to quit it. Quote- Money is not taxed. Only the INCOME from the money is taxed (interest, dividends, etc. are income). The movement of mioney is taxed. If a billionaire rolled all his gains back into his business, took no paycheck, he would not be taxed because he didn't move any money out of anything. For the most part, when money moves, it's taxed. Quote Property tax is for real property. Generally this is real estate although some places tax property such as cars. I thought that was moot. Property tax is for real estate. Where are cars taxed as property tax? A dealer might have an inventory tax, but a car's tags are not considered property tax. So that's my point, property tax, tolls and other like areas are taxes that require no movement of money, other than that, when money moves it's taxed. QuoteThere are a number of other fees for tolls, a hunting license, a carry permit, etc. The politicians like to suggest they are not a "tax". This is just a parroting of what I wrote above, you're just repeating and agreeing with me. QuoteMoney is not taxed. The movement of money is taxed by way of sales tax, employment-related taxes, etc. Other than property tax and a few others, taxes are colleccted when money moves, therefore money is taxed. You buy something new (and many used), sales tax. You earn pay, it's taxed. You sit on your ass and do nothing, no taxes. QuoteInstead of trying to make everyone equal by taking from the rich why not spend some effort making the poor more wealthy... Oh, with welfare and job training programs, HC, etc? I see we agree once more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #175 October 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteExcept that he hadn't done any of those things until after he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before he was nominated. Well, I don't think it makes sense to give someone a Peace Prize based on what they are promising to do. But I don't think it was a bad move to nominate him nine months ahead of time. The Nobel committee knows the timeline, they knew there would still be another nine months for Obama to prove himself. Maybe in the eyes of the rest of the world, not being Bush as CinC of the world's most powerful military is ample justification for the award. Just as GWB had big shoes to fill, and didn't even fill the little toe, Obama has tiny baby shoes to fill and he is trying to stuff his toes in and cannot. You know he's wishing he and Harris didn't rob the 2000 election; he could just have gone down as a failed governor, now he has failed president to go with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
