Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

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Ahhhh, I get it now! The nobel peace prize is there to raise taxes on the wealthy in america and redistribute it in America, and also to promote universal healthcare in America. Of course! How could we have missed something so obvious? forget the rest of the world, they did it to encourage the left's agenda strictly inside the United States.

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And the award for most irrelevant post goes to

you for parroting me.

I don't think Americans get how sick the rest of the world is of us. You have the US at 4% of the world, 2% are conservatives, so that measn 98% of the world disagrees with conservative US Americans with the exception of a few Britts and others. I think it's easily 90% of the world disagrees with that the US has been doing and wants a change. Obama is that change and they are encouraging the US by promoting Obama via Nobel.

Questioning it and calling it stupid makes as much sense as wondering why the R's chose Palin.

Dude, seriously? There are about 30,000 skydivers in the US, so 99.99% of people in the US dislike skydiving. Talk about apples to freaking watermelons. By your logic, 98% of the world also disagrees with liberal Americans.

I just think it is absolutley gut busting hysterical that you try to link the Norwegian Nobel Committee to the American tax structure. Blinders much? Hey, at least you're focused.

You should review the film Office Space, they have an excellent product in there that'd be a great gift idea you can send to your family- a jump to conclusions mat.

edit: "I think it's easily 90% of the world disagrees with what the US has been doing and wants a change."

Excellent statistic you grabbed from thin air as well, btw. Who gave you that buzz word 'change?'

So there I was...

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Dude, seriously? There are about 30,000 skydivers in the US, so 99.99% of people in the US dislike skydiving.

Most are indifferent.

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By your logic, 98% of the world also disagrees with liberal Americans.

Nope, liberal Americans think more like Europeans, Canadians, etc, so Liberal Americans and the world think more alike.

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I just think it is absolutley gut busting hysterical that you try to link the Norwegian Nobel Committee to the American tax structure.

How did I? BTW, more consecutive adjectives.

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You should review the film Office Space, they have an excellent product in there that'd be a great gift idea you can send to your family- a jump to conclusions mat.

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edit: "I think it's easily 90% of the world disagrees with what the US has been doing and wants a change."

Excellent statistic you grabbed from thin air as well, btw. Who gave you that buzz word 'change?'

Brilliant that you noticed. Was it the, "I think" or the "easily" that gave it away that this was my guess?

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I think the world is sick of teh US

Good. And some people, like me, are both sick of the US and sick of the world.

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and this is their way of saying Obama is trying to create peace in the ME, so keep it up.

Good for him. Peace in the Middle East. Nice of him. Carter tried that. He helped with the Camp David Accords. Israel is now safe, right? Or the negotiations in 1983? 1985? What about Clinton's massive - but failed - efforts. He wanted it done before his presidency ended. As I recall, that was when suicide bombing took on a new note.

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It's kind of an award for what they want to come.

Oh. So not what he has done. I could see a Nobel Prize in literature for his book but this?

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As well, the rest of the world is shocked by one of the wealthiest countries in teh world denying coverage to millions of their own, yet lower taxes to teh rich at the cost of a horrible debt, the fact that Obama is trying to get HC to all Americans probably plays a quiet part,

So Sarkozy isn't getting it, then. That's right - their cutting their benefits.

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Good. And some people, like me, are both sick of the US and sick of the world.

Then perhaps you will be in the running next year.

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Good for him. Peace in the Middle East. Nice of him. Carter tried that. He helped with the Camp David Accords. Israel is now safe, right? Or the negotiations in 1983? 1985? What about Clinton's massive - but failed - efforts. He wanted it done before his presidency ended. As I recall, that was when suicide bombing took on a new note.

I think that occured long before Clinton as with the Beirut barracks. And before that the 72 olympic massacre in Munich where they used guns; don't see how the method determines the madness.

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Oh. So not what he has done. I could see a Nobel Prize in literature for his book but this?

I agree it's unusual, but probably a jesture of 'please get that country under control.'

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So Sarkozy isn't getting it, then. That's right - their cutting their benefits.

Cutting who's benefits?

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Just as you have no rights after you die, your money is subject to the gubbment too.

I thought I had the right to say what I want done with it. Of course, this is often approved via probate if I have enough.

What would you suggest is done with, for example, a house? LEt's say by way of example, there is a family of five. An African-American man, his wife, and three kids. The man is the only one on title to the house and has paid off the mortgage. He gets killed in a car accident.

Under your proposal, the thoughful government, caring as it is, will move in, kick out the family, escheat all property to the state and take possession of all items of property.

Let me guess, there will be a gulag housing project for this family. They can move in, have clothes and other necessities issued to them, and otherwise be made wards of a benevolent state. The home will then be sold on the open market to the highest bidder or will be converted into housing for some other poor soul that got kicked out.

Is that what you are looking at doing? If so, I nominate you for your advancement of peace and the human condition.

I hope you understand that seizing the property of deceased leads to people being wards of the state. Of course, if that is what you want, then I suppose we should just go ahead and do that. Then we can have a great society of equal misery.

Come on off of that lofty perch of yours. I reckon you don't envision yourself as one of those who will be out in the fields picking lettuce in this great society of yours.

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Obama will be accepting the prize, and donating the award money to charity.

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In comments at the White House on Friday, Obama said he did not view the award "as a recognition of my own accomplishments. But rather as an affirmation of American leadership. ... I will accept this award as a call to action."

And I will point out that while Hitler was nominated, Ghandi never won. So it's an imperfect system - big deal?

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Interesting, as I get to subjectively define interesting, article from July 2009 on the affect of being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize from Foreign Policy magazine: “Dangerous Prize
Nobel victories have a poor track record of producing change. Here’s why.”

The conclusions the author presents are not encouraging:

“In fact, when one digs a little more deeply into the evidence, one discovers that often, as skeptics would expect, the prize has little impact on the awardees and their causes. Occasionally, but more rarely than its advocates hope, it draws attention to ignored problems. But more troublingly, the peace prize has often brought the heavy hand of the state down on dissidents and has impeded, rather than promoted, conflict-free liberalization.



“If the Nobel Peace Prize were merely ineffective at drawing attention to the recipients' causes, we might dismiss it as a harmless daydream. But the award can have very real negative effects on the movements and causes it seeks to honor.



“Winners have become the victims of campaigns of character assassination, as Sakharov and his wife Yelena Bonner learned. They have become targets of government harassment and repression: Once Aung San Suu Kyi won the peace prize, boosting "her name and her aura" as one Western diplomat put it, the Burmese junta could no longer ignore her. And their supporters, lacking the prestige that the prizewinners enjoy, have suffered even more.”

The author asserts there have been 27 “aspirational prizes awarded since 1971,” … but doesn’t list the entire 27 he identifies specifically. Notably one that he does mention implicitly, Bishop Desmond Tutu, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984 “as a unifying leader figure in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa;” apartheid did not end officially until 1993 and open elections held in 1994.

/Marg … p.s. credit due to another dz.commer whose comments got me thinking about what history says about affect/impact of receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Just as you have no rights after you die, your money is subject to the gubbment too.

I thought I had the right to say what I want done with it. Of course, this is often approved via probate if I have enough.

What would you suggest is done with, for example, a house?

even better, if the husband and the wife owned everything in community property, then we need all sorts of laws that define what PORTION of the that is REALLY due to the husband, and that portion will be taken for the fatherland.

The government now owns 3 of 5 rooms of that house. And they want them NOW.

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It might be that easy to believe this is one of the reasons why Obama got the price.

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If Obama had actually enacted some (any) change in US foreign policy in comparison to the Bush presidency, I could see it as a possibility.

Ya, he's had like 9 months, what's taking him so long?

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The nomination had to be in by January!!!

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If the choice was up to you, you could not think of one person you think deserves it the most of the people you are aware of?

Tim Berners-Lee

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I thought I had the right to say what I want done with it. Of course, this is often approved via probate if I have enough.

Right, even with a trust I believe it goes thru probate. I'm not an expert in this area, but it really isn't yours because there is no you.

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What would you suggest is done with, for example, a house? LEt's say by way of example, there is a family of five. An African-American man, his wife, and three kids. The man is the only one on title to the house and has paid off the mortgage. He gets killed in a car accident.

Under your proposal, the thoughful government, caring as it is, will move in, kick out the family, escheat all property to the state and take possession of all items of property.

Come on, counselor, give me a tough one. For one, it would be rare to find a married couple w/o a joint deed w/rights of survivorship. And most states would recognize community property and the house wouldn't change hands; all property would become the sole property of the surviving spouse.

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Let me guess, there will be a gulag housing project for this family. They can move in, have clothes and other necessities issued to them, and otherwise be made wards of a benevolent state. The home will then be sold on the open market to the highest bidder or will be converted into housing for some other poor soul that got kicked out.

Is that what you are looking at doing? If so, I nominate you for your advancement of peace and the human condition

Your example is so abstract it's irrelevant. The surviving spouse would become the totle holder.

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I hope you understand that seizing the property of deceased leads to people being wards of the state. Of course, if that is what you want, then I suppose we should just go ahead and do that. Then we can have a great society of equal misery.

Come on off of that lofty perch of yours. I reckon you don't envision yourself as one of those who will be out in the fields picking lettuce in this great society of yours.

Let's use another example of a rich lawyer who dies and is worth 10 million. The state would get a share and teh family / heirs the rest.

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If Obama had actually enacted some (any) change in US foreign policy in comparison to the Bush presidency, I could see it as a possibility.

Ya, he's had like 9 months, what's taking him so long?

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The nomination had to be in by January!!!

No way. Really. Well, I dunno then

And no one knew what Obama would do as he was elected or entered office. I stand by my assertion; the world via the Nobel committee wanted to wish Obama to do positive things after the mess that Bush left. It was basically a housewarming gift.

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If Obama had actually enacted some (any) change in US foreign policy in comparison to the Bush presidency, I could see it as a possibility.

Ya, he's had like 9 months, what's taking him so long?

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The nomination had to be in by January!!!

No way. Really. Well, I dunno then

And no one knew what Obama would do as he was elected or entered office. I stand by my assertion; the world via the Nobel committee wanted to wish Obama to do positive things after the mess that Bush left. It was basically a housewarming gift.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I can't say I agree with their decision, but it's their decision, not mine. We as a nation are still fighting two foreign wars - why would our leader get a peace prize?

As far as the comment about not doing anything significant overseas, I think that's incorrect.

1. The President and Congress passed a huge economic recovery act. Most of that money went to investors overseas that would have lost their shirts for believing in the US Dollar. That's a major accomplishment for those foreign people - not so much for the American taxpayer

2. He did actually get troops out of Baghdad (and all other major Iraqi cities). We have yet to get all troops out of Iraq, but this was a major accomplishment, IMO.

And finally, although the Nobel Prize is a significant award, it is rife with controversy, including Hitler's offense at not being awarded the peace prize

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies

Edit - and yeah, I agree with lawrocket - if I was Obama, I would be embarrassed a bit, refuse the prize and then apologize the rest of my life for doing so.

...Except that he hadn't done any of those things until after
he was nominated. He had less than two weeks as Pres before
he was nominated. He was elected with the same voting record.

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Many were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in a presidency that began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline for the prize and has yet to yield concrete achievements in peacemaking.

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Didn't realize they gave those out for simply not being Bush.

Where's my Nobel Peace Prize? I'm not Bush.

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If Obama had actually enacted some (any) change in US foreign policy in comparison to the Bush presidency, I could see it as a possibility.

Ya, he's had like 9 months, what's taking him so long?

\Dude

The nomination had to be in by January!!!

No way. Really. Well, I dunno then

And no one knew what Obama would do as he was elected or entered office. I stand by my assertion; the world via the Nobel committee wanted to wish Obama to do positive things after the mess that Bush left. It was basically a housewarming gift.

Well I am glad it works for you
Please continue for I can then enjoy the show

Oh no, it is me who enjoys the show....the Obama show

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Tim Berners-Lee

lol - there's no Nobel Prize for "shaking things up and scaring the crap out of corporations and governments". Nor is there for "empowering the people and destabilizing the status quo".

But there should be!

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For one, it would be rare to find a married couple w/o a joint deed w/rights of survivorship.

Negative. More common than you think.

[Reply]And most states would recognize community property and the house wouldn't change hands; all property would become the sole property of the surviving spouse.

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Thank you Mr. Kallend. So why do you feel Tim Berners-Lee is more deserving of a Nobel Peace prize than President Obama?

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Obama must be so embarrassed by this.

That was my thought as well. I like Obama but even I am having trouble trying to find any justification for this.

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What does their religion matter?

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So how is the prize committee going to react if Obama decides it's time to go after Iran?

What would it say about the value of the prize if the current year's winner starts a war?

I'm guessing they'd feel like the idiots at Time magazine that made Hitler the man of the year.

(not that I'm making any comparison between BHO and AH)

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Thank you Mr. Kallend. So why do you feel Tim Berners-Lee is more deserving of a Nobel Peace prize than President Obama?

What do you think this is? Twenty Questions?

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Negative. More common than you think.

Probably not statistically proveable either way.

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Feds don't. In fact only a few states are community property. Most are not.

Actually only 9, I thought it was higher. Still, even with the worst situation, 1/2 the house generally belongs to the surviving spouse.

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I see you are backing off. Initially, you said it should go to the government. I guess when a human face is put on it you are starting to see things the way I do.

I'm not backing off, where did I say it should all go to the government. I think inheritance taxes s/b steep, but there s/b exceptions where there was a family unit with minors, etc. In cases where the deceased had no minor children it s/b steep.

And I don't see you easing off your stance on HC if I were to put a face to it. I think inheritance is an area where much discretion is needed.

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Oh. So for you it's only the rich. Or what you would consider rich. You like drawing arbitrary lines?

Kinda hard to tax the poor. Remember, money is taxed, not people. Don't like taxes, don't move money.