rwieder 0 #226 October 8, 2009 Quote But I still have an hour and a half before I get off work. Oh wait! Webcast of the ducks game starts in 25 minutes. Sorry you'll have to put up with me til then. Ya got me there!! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #227 October 8, 2009 Quote no need for further argument or more BS comments & ignorant opinions. ummmm... "no need for further argument"? This IS Speakers Corner, ya know. Besides, I have some BS comments and ignorant opinions. This is a TRAGIC murder and suicide. This is an example of how ANY person can be trusting and become deceived. Even those with guns. But you can NOT say that this "proves" that having a gun got this poor woman killed. This was an anecdotal case and anecdotal evidence is not "good science." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #228 October 8, 2009 QuoteQuote no need for further argument or more BS comments & ignorant opinions. ummmm... "no need for further argument"? This IS Speakers Corner, ya know. Besides, I have some BS comments and ignorant opinions. This is a TRAGIC murder and suicide. This is an example of how ANY person can be trusting and become deceived. Even those with guns. But you can NOT say that this "proves" that having a gun got this poor woman killed. This was an anecdotal case and anecdotal evidence is not "good science." Neither are anecdotes in the other direction.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #229 October 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote no need for further argument or more BS comments & ignorant opinions. ummmm... "no need for further argument"? This IS Speakers Corner, ya know. Besides, I have some BS comments and ignorant opinions. This is a TRAGIC murder and suicide. This is an example of how ANY person can be trusting and become deceived. Even those with guns. But you can NOT say that this "proves" that having a gun got this poor woman killed. This was an anecdotal case and anecdotal evidence is not "good science." Neither are anecdotes in the other direction. You might want to explain that better. Are you saying that if you show a case that this "causes" that, as long as I can defend it with a "yeah.. well, there's THIS case" to counter it, then that would be "better" science? Let's see how that works- Cigarette smoking and lung cancer -my dad smoked. He developed lung cancer - George Burns smoked. He did not. Thus "proving" that smoking does not cause cancer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #230 October 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote no need for further argument or more BS comments & ignorant opinions. ummmm... "no need for further argument"? This IS Speakers Corner, ya know. Besides, I have some BS comments and ignorant opinions. This is a TRAGIC murder and suicide. This is an example of how ANY person can be trusting and become deceived. Even those with guns. But you can NOT say that this "proves" that having a gun got this poor woman killed. This was an anecdotal case and anecdotal evidence is not "good science." Neither are anecdotes in the other direction. You might want to explain that better. Anecdotal evidence exists to support both sides of this argument. It is equally useless both ways.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #231 October 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote no need for further argument or more BS comments & ignorant opinions. ummmm... "no need for further argument"? This IS Speakers Corner, ya know. Besides, I have some BS comments and ignorant opinions. This is a TRAGIC murder and suicide. This is an example of how ANY person can be trusting and become deceived. Even those with guns. But you can NOT say that this "proves" that having a gun got this poor woman killed. This was an anecdotal case and anecdotal evidence is not "good science." Neither are anecdotes in the other direction. You might want to explain that better. Anecdotal evidence exists to support both sides of this argument. It is equally useless both ways. OOOHHHH! I read that differently!! I thought you were implying that NEITHER DEATH were anecdotes in the other direction. Then... yes! You are correct!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #232 October 9, 2009 QuotePeople that get shot & killed and have a weapon are generally not trained in situitional awareness. agreed *** This lady was killed in her own home and i betcha a dollar to a doughnut her demise came about her being "Comfortable" in her own home, being complacent finally caused her demise, and worse. her comfort level might also have had something to do with the shooter being HER HUSBAND!-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #233 October 9, 2009 Quote Then... yes! You are correct!! Don't encourage professors from North Chicago State. They might not know what to do with themselves. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #234 October 9, 2009 Quote"Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead" The story I read said it was probably murder-suicide in the midst of a divorce. No word on who was the murderer.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #235 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Seem to me that EVERY person in this thread who criticizes the article has (a) a strong pro-gun bias, and (b) with the exception of Dr. Bordson, no expertise in statistical analysis. Yes, because sadly, those who are supporters of gun control have no problem with lies or propaganda that supports their viewpoint, so we can't expect them to criticize the article as well. You are getting more and more shrill. Calm down. shrill? It's a statement of fact. Few people will criticize bullshit from their own side. Therefore, it's hardly surprising if all the critics are from the other side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #236 October 9, 2009 Quote> Since few carrying guns are doing so legally, they will not be >reporting successful gun use to the authorities. Right - and that's not an assault. Like I said, IF YOU ARE SHOT DURING AN ASSAULT, odds are much greater that you went into it with a gun than without a gun. That is the one, narrow question the study answers, and which both sides are trying their best to misunderstand. The problem is you seem to flip a coin - heads, you include the "if you are shot bit." Tails, you leave it out, and those are quite different statements. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #237 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote Then... yes! You are correct!! Don't encourage professors from North Chicago State. They might not know what to do with themselves. You are mistaken as usual, she was addressing me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #238 October 9, 2009 Quote her comfort level might also have had something to do with the shooter being HER HUSBAND! Yeah, so what? Scott Peterson was Lacy Petersons husband as well. Did you not read the part of the article where it was public knowledge that the two were having a rough go for the last week? Ah you missed that part....right? My wife carries just as i do, but we generally don't have time to get romantic let alone raise hell with each other, but years ago there were times when i would dissable her weapon before i went to sleep. I know tragic as it may seem this kind of thing happens. One point of that article was that even though the female in the relationship had a CCL & had access to weapons, her husband was a prison guard and had access to firearms as well, they both had guns and they're both no longer amoung the living. So should we come to the conclusion that a person who carries a gun has a 50/50 chance? This fact in my opinion raises doubt that a person who carries is more likely to be shot, killed and/or slain, i'm still calling BS on this theory. Domestic violence is running rampant everywhere and that's just what's being reported to law enforcement officials. A domestic violence call is every lawman's nightmare. They generally have a tendency to go wrong 90% of the time, especially when the call comes from the residence where the act is taking place. The perp(s) can and/will "turn on you" makeing your life a living hell.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #239 October 9, 2009 Quote ...she was addressing me. I thought she was mocking you.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #240 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuote ...she was addressing me. I thought she was mocking you. Nope. In that post, I was conceding that he was correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #241 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuote ...she was addressing me. I thought she was mocking you. You are mistaken as usual.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #242 October 9, 2009 Quote You are mistaken as usual. Just another meaningless comment from a professor at North Chicago State. That's what I expect from you, and you meet that expectation every time.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #243 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuote You are mistaken as usual. Just another meaningless comment from a professor at North Chicago State. That's what I expect from you, and you meet that expectation every time. And what can we say about someone whose only identification is a cartoon dog? Sniffed any good fire plugs recently?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #244 October 9, 2009 Quote And what can we say about someone whose only identification is a cartoon dog? Sniffed any good fire plugs recently? Just another meaningless comment from a professor at North Chicago State. That's what I expect from you, and you meet that expectation every time.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #245 October 9, 2009 Quote And what can we say about someone whose only identification is a cartoon dog? Sniffed any good fire plugs recently? No he's the kind of cartoon dog that drags his ass in the driveway....Prof: don't feed the animals! You know dog's sniff each other's asses when they greet one another. Aren't you glad a few of us evolved? chuckle...chuckle...-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #246 October 9, 2009 Quote but years ago there were times when i would dissable her weapon before i went to sleep. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but a statement like this invalidates anything you've said up to this point. I don't even know where to start with this. Speachless, really. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #247 October 9, 2009 A sad story apropos of this study: ================== Gun-toting soccer mom, husband shot dead By Edmund DeMarche CNN (CNN) -- Soccer mom Meleanie Hain, who made national headlines last year by having a loaded, holstered handgun at her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game, has been found shot dead in her home along with her husband, police said Thursday. Information from 911 calls shows that it took a SWAT team nearly an hour and a half to gain entry to the Lebanon, Pennsylvania, home Wednesday evening. Inside, they found the bodies of Hain, 31, and her husband, Scott, 33, police Capt. Daniel Wright said. Police have avoided labeling the incident a murder-suicide. However, they do not believe that another person was involved, Wright said. A full investigation is under way, he added. ================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #248 October 9, 2009 How did we go from an news report of a relatively reasonably done journal article to beating this anecdotal case of a tragic death to death? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #249 October 9, 2009 it also sounds like a reference to the above mentioned divorce rate statistic. (much higher among married couples)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #250 October 9, 2009 Quote Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but a statement like this invalidates anything you've said up to this point. I don't even know where to start with this. Speachless, really. I don't know what to tell ya there sport. -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
