spiritsbay 0 #1 August 31, 2006 Hi everyone, I did my first static line last week, and if I wasnt on assignment Id be doing a few more this weekend. What a rush it was great. Cant believe I didnt get round to it before. Anyway, the jumper behind me in my group took a bit of a dive - seriously hard from about 40 ft - into the ground, quite hurt and kind of took the euphoric edge off a bit. Now, it didnt put me off at all, I was right beneath him when he plummeted and I saw his 'essential' mistakes. It kind of showed, do your drills, stick to the rules and you'll be fine. That said, I thought the canopy work instruction was a bit light - certainly not the warnings about semi stalling and low turns. Id like to 'study' up on this a bit - any advice anybody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiritsbay 0 #2 August 31, 2006 Oh lol and since I loved it so much, and cant stop thinking about it. Should I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #3 August 31, 2006 QuoteId like to 'study' up on this a bit - any advice anybody there is alot of advice out there, I would love to give you some. but it is hard to help a "student" over the computer. I would love to work with you, but it is impossible to do it here. congrats on your jump, and welcome to the forums! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spiritsbay 0 #4 August 31, 2006 Cheers anyway, I kind of get your point. I guess I was maybe thinking of a basic manual or guide with reference to canopy work, control, do's and donts etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #5 August 31, 2006 some books to buy here... http://www.bigairsportz.com/ and read pd's website, it should keep you busy for a while. http://www.performancedesigns.com/pd.asp and got to toss in sponsors!! www.liquidskysports.com www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #6 August 31, 2006 QuoteOh lol and since I loved it so much, and cant stop thinking about it. Should I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? you've already witnessed one of the true fundamentals of this sport...... "You should never skydive without parachuting immediately afterwards" - my $0.02 is stay with the program you're on, you will be much better armed to handle the canopy when you get into freefall training which will only be in another few jumps.Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #7 August 31, 2006 QuoteOh lol and since I loved it so much, and cant stop thinking about it. Should I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Static-line is the best way to learn canopy skills. AFF is the best way to learn freefall skills. The best programs combine all the different teaching methods. For example: at Pacific Skydivers, most students start with a tandem (because that it the best way to take that huge, first psychological leap), then they sit through 5 hours of ground school and do an IAD (similar to static-line) jump or three, or until they start to demonstrate decent landings. If we had a vertical wind tunnel nearby, we would send them there to learn the basics of freefall. Finally, our students to 6 or 8 jumps with PFF (similar to AFF) instructors to learn basic freefall survival skills. After a few more jumps with coaches, they are ready for their "Solo" Certificates. In conclusion, you would be wisest to do a few more static-line jumps, until you are comfortable flying the landing pattern on your own (without radio) then start jumping with AFF Instructors. Oh! And critiquing landings is very important. You need feedback from instructors to improve your landing technique. Critiquing is so important that if an instructor does not give you advice on how to improve your approaches and landings AFTER EVERY JUMP, you should complain loudly to the chief instructor and demand your money back! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #8 September 7, 2006 QuoteShould I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? Well, at the dz's where i looked up some info on pricing before i did aff, the AFF route is cheaper, IF u plan to continue in the sport. When u finish the SL course u still need to have a conversion course to jump AFF. So paying 2x. IMO AFF is a faster route if u are addicted from jump 1, like me. Unless you are really into canopy work ;P there's nothing like just diving out of an airplane and waving back at the ppl still in the door while you tumble ;P (yes, i can exit stable also, but thats not so much fun) have fun ;P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #9 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteShould I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? Well, at the dz's where i looked up some info on pricing before i did aff, the AFF route is cheaper, IF u plan to continue in the sport. We don't know where "Spiritsbay" jumps, because his/her profile is not filled out, but in the US & Canada, S/L progression is generally cheaper on a per-jump basis than pure AFF/PFF. Each method will probably cost about the same total to get one's A License. There's a lot of good advice given in the posts preceding yours from very experienced jumpers who have been in the sport quite a long time. Student jumpers should think about this before giving advice (online or otherwise) to other students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deesh 0 #10 September 17, 2006 hey guys, im also new at this whole expeirence and was wondering if some1 could provide me with some stats. anything like the surivival/failure rate or anythin related to skydiving in general will be great! thanx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #11 September 17, 2006 QuoteThere's a lot of good advice given in the posts preceding yours from very experienced jumpers who have been in the sport quite a long time. Student jumpers should think about this before giving advice (online or otherwise) to other students. I agree, thats why i fill out my profile so ppl can see im a newbie. I was simply giving a consideration, hence the IMO bit. It''s not like I advised him on what rig he should buy. ;P It''s not like I am a total moron and shouldn''t post any advice or thoughts just because I dont have a 3 digit jump number. (NB the not beeing a moron bit is a lie, but that has other causes) I get the thought behind your reply tho, I dont like it when ppl post advice on procedures and stuff when the are only just off student status themselves, I try to avoid doing that myself. (even though I have extensive experience ;P ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #12 September 17, 2006 OK, well, my point being, if a) you're a newer jumper, and b) you see replies from lots of other jumpers who have lots of experience AND time in sport, and c) your opinion differs from the clear trend of the experienced jumpers' opinions, maybe you should exercise the discretion not to post in the thread yet and just keep reading (and learning) for a while longer, even if only to see how some other experienced jumpers might comment, before weighing-in with contradictory advice of your own that a (fellow) student might take to heart. Way back when I was a student, an experienced jumper overheard me giving advice to a fellow student jumper. I wound up getting a talking-to by the DZO later that day, and rightfully so. (Him to me: "You're a student; you don't give advice to other students. Period.") I hope you'll think of this more as helpful advice than as a reproach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #13 September 18, 2006 Ok, guess you are right. Re-read some post and..point taken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflysteve 0 #14 September 18, 2006 I thought your points were sound. You are a new jumper and looking at it from todays costings and your own experience. Somebody who started 30 years ago is bound to have a different perspective. YOU are not a student you have 28 jumps more than most people and obviously current with pricing structures. I started on static line but after turning up 19 times and only getting in 2 jumps cos of all manner of problems(too many students,too windy,too cloudy etc)i switched to AFF. With our friends question of canopy flying well i think (for uk that is) that consolidation jumps(solo jumps)should all be included with canopy school,but i am sure that is another debate Blue skies StephanSwooping, huh? I love that stuff ... all the flashing lights and wailing sirens ... it's very exciting! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
spiritsbay 0 #4 August 31, 2006 Cheers anyway, I kind of get your point. I guess I was maybe thinking of a basic manual or guide with reference to canopy work, control, do's and donts etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #5 August 31, 2006 some books to buy here... http://www.bigairsportz.com/ and read pd's website, it should keep you busy for a while. http://www.performancedesigns.com/pd.asp and got to toss in sponsors!! www.liquidskysports.com www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #6 August 31, 2006 QuoteOh lol and since I loved it so much, and cant stop thinking about it. Should I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? you've already witnessed one of the true fundamentals of this sport...... "You should never skydive without parachuting immediately afterwards" - my $0.02 is stay with the program you're on, you will be much better armed to handle the canopy when you get into freefall training which will only be in another few jumps.Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #7 August 31, 2006 QuoteOh lol and since I loved it so much, and cant stop thinking about it. Should I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Static-line is the best way to learn canopy skills. AFF is the best way to learn freefall skills. The best programs combine all the different teaching methods. For example: at Pacific Skydivers, most students start with a tandem (because that it the best way to take that huge, first psychological leap), then they sit through 5 hours of ground school and do an IAD (similar to static-line) jump or three, or until they start to demonstrate decent landings. If we had a vertical wind tunnel nearby, we would send them there to learn the basics of freefall. Finally, our students to 6 or 8 jumps with PFF (similar to AFF) instructors to learn basic freefall survival skills. After a few more jumps with coaches, they are ready for their "Solo" Certificates. In conclusion, you would be wisest to do a few more static-line jumps, until you are comfortable flying the landing pattern on your own (without radio) then start jumping with AFF Instructors. Oh! And critiquing landings is very important. You need feedback from instructors to improve your landing technique. Critiquing is so important that if an instructor does not give you advice on how to improve your approaches and landings AFTER EVERY JUMP, you should complain loudly to the chief instructor and demand your money back! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #8 September 7, 2006 QuoteShould I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? Well, at the dz's where i looked up some info on pricing before i did aff, the AFF route is cheaper, IF u plan to continue in the sport. When u finish the SL course u still need to have a conversion course to jump AFF. So paying 2x. IMO AFF is a faster route if u are addicted from jump 1, like me. Unless you are really into canopy work ;P there's nothing like just diving out of an airplane and waving back at the ppl still in the door while you tumble ;P (yes, i can exit stable also, but thats not so much fun) have fun ;P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #9 September 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteShould I just jump to AFF training or stick with the static jumps first? Well, at the dz's where i looked up some info on pricing before i did aff, the AFF route is cheaper, IF u plan to continue in the sport. We don't know where "Spiritsbay" jumps, because his/her profile is not filled out, but in the US & Canada, S/L progression is generally cheaper on a per-jump basis than pure AFF/PFF. Each method will probably cost about the same total to get one's A License. There's a lot of good advice given in the posts preceding yours from very experienced jumpers who have been in the sport quite a long time. Student jumpers should think about this before giving advice (online or otherwise) to other students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deesh 0 #10 September 17, 2006 hey guys, im also new at this whole expeirence and was wondering if some1 could provide me with some stats. anything like the surivival/failure rate or anythin related to skydiving in general will be great! thanx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #11 September 17, 2006 QuoteThere's a lot of good advice given in the posts preceding yours from very experienced jumpers who have been in the sport quite a long time. Student jumpers should think about this before giving advice (online or otherwise) to other students. I agree, thats why i fill out my profile so ppl can see im a newbie. I was simply giving a consideration, hence the IMO bit. It''s not like I advised him on what rig he should buy. ;P It''s not like I am a total moron and shouldn''t post any advice or thoughts just because I dont have a 3 digit jump number. (NB the not beeing a moron bit is a lie, but that has other causes) I get the thought behind your reply tho, I dont like it when ppl post advice on procedures and stuff when the are only just off student status themselves, I try to avoid doing that myself. (even though I have extensive experience ;P ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 September 17, 2006 OK, well, my point being, if a) you're a newer jumper, and b) you see replies from lots of other jumpers who have lots of experience AND time in sport, and c) your opinion differs from the clear trend of the experienced jumpers' opinions, maybe you should exercise the discretion not to post in the thread yet and just keep reading (and learning) for a while longer, even if only to see how some other experienced jumpers might comment, before weighing-in with contradictory advice of your own that a (fellow) student might take to heart. Way back when I was a student, an experienced jumper overheard me giving advice to a fellow student jumper. I wound up getting a talking-to by the DZO later that day, and rightfully so. (Him to me: "You're a student; you don't give advice to other students. Period.") I hope you'll think of this more as helpful advice than as a reproach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #13 September 18, 2006 Ok, guess you are right. Re-read some post and..point taken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflysteve 0 #14 September 18, 2006 I thought your points were sound. You are a new jumper and looking at it from todays costings and your own experience. Somebody who started 30 years ago is bound to have a different perspective. YOU are not a student you have 28 jumps more than most people and obviously current with pricing structures. I started on static line but after turning up 19 times and only getting in 2 jumps cos of all manner of problems(too many students,too windy,too cloudy etc)i switched to AFF. With our friends question of canopy flying well i think (for uk that is) that consolidation jumps(solo jumps)should all be included with canopy school,but i am sure that is another debate Blue skies StephanSwooping, huh? I love that stuff ... all the flashing lights and wailing sirens ... it's very exciting! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
