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Interesting. At the time of writing this post 41/53 people (77%) believe they have above average intelligence, which is ironically about average.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority



Maybe SC has a following that is indeed higher than average IQ? Food for thought.


Unlikely. My tested IQ is well above average, but I believe I would score well below average on some unmeasured elements that I consider to be a part of intelligence. For example, I'd consider creativity to be an important element of intelligence, and if one could objectively quantify it, I'd likely be found lacking.

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I would probably balance out the areas where your skills are lacking. I have always been very creative yet lack skills in mathematics that would have made getting my degree a lot easier. Calculus still is not nice to me. :(
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I was a bit curious to what my IQ was so I just took two different IQtest online. One which had a tone of math i got 96 the other which had less math I had 115 so in mo opinion I am average. I think based who creates the test you will vary from average to slightly above average.

Just because one person does well on an IQ test doesnt mean they will get A's in every course they take. Just mean they guessed the right answer on the test...:P

By the way I voted I was average..;)

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I think what gets people's undies in a bundle about it is that they jump to judgements about what it means about them or others. All it means is that a person can assimilate and process information at a higher than average rate of speed; and maybe a little bonus for stored knowledge.

It does not mean a person is good or bad, or that they are worthy or unworthy, etc. It's just a number that measures an ability to process information quickly.



absolutely - also IQ can be inferred from the number of repetitions it takes for one to learn something.

Guess what - I you take 3 reps to learn something, and the other guy takes 15 reps to learn something. You might just be smarter.

(but in the end, you both learned it)

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Guess what - I you take 3 reps to learn something, and the other guy takes 15 reps to learn something. You might just be smarter.

(but in the end, you both learned it)



Adam completes middle school (grades 6-8) in three years. Bob takes 15 years to complete the same three grades. During the last nine years of Bob's middle school attendance, Adam went on to graduate from high school, earn an undergrad degree and started grad school.

But, in the end, they both earned their middle school educations.
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Guess what - I you take 3 reps to learn something, and the other guy takes 15 reps to learn something. You might just be smarter.

(but in the end, you both learned it)



Adam completes middle school (grades 6-8) in three years. Bob takes 15 years to complete the same three grades. During the last nine years of Bob's middle school attendance, Adam went on to graduate from high school, earn an undergrad degree and started grad school.

But, in the end, they both earned their middle school educations.



Wouldn't Bob just get his GED instead of spending 15yrs on those grades?
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Wouldn't Bob just get his GED instead of spending 15yrs on those grades?



If it took him 15 years to gain the knowledge associated with middle school, a GED might not be a realistic goal.

Having said that, the example was intended only to illustrate the point that someone who learns faster than someone else can learn more in the same amount of time, which is generally beneficial.
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I a so far above the average person with respect to my superior intellect I typed this message via the power of my mind!
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Guess what - I you take 3 reps to learn something, and the other guy takes 15 reps to learn something. You might just be smarter.

(but in the end, you both learned it)



Adam completes middle school (grades 6-8) in three years. Bob takes 15 years to complete the same three grades. During the last nine years of Bob's middle school attendance, Adam went on to graduate from high school, earn an undergrad degree and started grad school.

But, in the end, they both earned their middle school educations.



kinda a 'so what' point isn't it?

the smarter guy has more potential, by definition, as long as he uses it, this also moves into application of learning as well

so I agree with you

Edit: I'm so indoctrinated with the 'typical' SC bullshit, that I was sure you were intending to call that a social inequality/unfairness situation when one person is smarter than the other - then I read the next couple posts and see you were just clarifying my point. sorry about that trip down the left/righty stereotype path (retroactively)

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Guess what - I you take 3 reps to learn something, and the other guy takes 15 reps to learn something. You might just be smarter.

(but in the end, you both learned it)



Adam completes middle school (grades 6-8) in three years. Bob takes 15 years to complete the same three grades. During the last nine years of Bob's middle school attendance, Adam went on to graduate from high school, earn an undergrad degree and started grad school.

But, in the end, they both earned their middle school educations.


kinda a 'so what' point isn't it?

the smarter guy has more potential, by definition, as long as he uses it, this also moves into application of learning as well

so I agree with you

Edit: I'm so indoctrinated with the 'typical' SC bullshit, that I was sure you were intending to call that a social inequality/unfairness situation when one person is smarter than the other - then I read the next couple posts and see you were just clarifying my point. sorry about that trip down the left/righty stereotype path (retroactively)



And.... sometimes being TOO smart is a disadvantage. :D:D:D:D

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Do you consider your level of intelligence to be above average relative to other people in the developed world?



Definately not! Of course, when a doctor or a lawyer has a problem with their septic system, they be callin' ol' Cliff fo' da answers!
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It is nearly certain that a representative sample of the skydiving world will score above average.
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Yes. It shows *extraordinary* intelligence to throw onself out of an aircraft in flight and expect that between the two bedsheet sized pieces of fabric we've packed tightly inside a cordura container we'll be seein' our loved ones this evening !

Yes us skydivers are mighty bright! Nearly most certainly!
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It is nearly certain that a representative sample of the skydiving world will score above average.

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Yes. It shows *extraordinary* intelligence to throw onself out of an aircraft in flight and expect that between the two bedsheet sized pieces of fabric we've packed tightly inside a cordura container we'll be seein' our loved ones this evening !

Yes us skydivers are mighty bright! Nearly most certainly!
Bowlers are dumb stupid animals!

Blues,
Clif



It's a shame some of us only have the attention span to read one sentence, thereby missing the proof behind the opening declaration.

Most IQ tests don't measure this aspect of thinking very well.

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There is no shame in wearing old clothes so long as they are patched and clean.
There is no shame in your kids catching head lice as long as they don't keep them.
There is no shame in being not so smart.

There should be shame in believing that somehow your intelligence makes you better than others.

And if you think because we jump out of planes that we are smarter than others, Mr. Kelpdiver,
perhaps you shouldn't be ashamed of your own lack of intelligence.

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Cliff

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And if you think because we jump out of planes that we are smarter than others, Mr. Kelpdiver,
perhaps you shouldn't be ashamed of your own lack of intelligence.



Take your ritalin, read the rest of the post, and understand why I know that skydivers are smarter than average.

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Take your ritalin, read the rest of the post, and understand why I know that skydivers are smarter than average.



Oh.., Forgive me.., You "Know", kelpdiver," that skydivers are smarter than average".

Well,sir, I have read your post in its' entirety and I believe that some of your knowledge is based on false belief.
An example (and I'm paraphrasing) you seem to believe that since skydiving is expensive it is a pastime of the more intelligent.
While that might appear to you as a simple truth ,kelpdiver, I'm not so certain.
Let me ask you this ; Have you ever heard the term "DZ Bum"? Yes, perhaps you've never noticed them . They are people that don't really have much income but manage to camp out around dropzones and just live in search of funds for their next jump. Some of them may have been your instructors at some point. I don't know how long you've been jumping but if it has been a while I'd wager that one of them probably fueled (for pay) a plane you've ridden in.
Maybe one has packed your rig?
See ,kelpdiver, skydiving isn't really all that expensive provided you don't also want to own a house, raise a familly, and drive a Benz.
Given all that , your wealth of skydivers = intelligence argument kinda falls apart.

You just "think" that people who jump out of planes are smarter.
I beleive it is an activity more suited for "dumb asses" like myself.

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Cliff
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Oh.., Forgive me.., You "Know", kelpdiver," that skydivers are smarter than average".

Well,sir, I have read your post in its' entirety and I believe that some of your knowledge is based on false belief.
An example (and I'm paraphrasing) you seem to believe that since skydiving is expensive it is a pastime of the more intelligent.
While that might appear to you as a simple truth ,kelpdiver, I'm not so certain.
Let me ask you this ; Have you ever heard the term "DZ Bum"? Yes, perhaps you've never noticed them . They are people that don't really have much income but manage to camp out around dropzones and just live in search of funds for their next jump. Some of them may have been your instructors at some point. I don't know how long you've been jumping but if it has been a while I'd wager that one of them probably fueled (for pay) a plane you've ridden in.
Maybe one has packed your rig?
See ,kelpdiver, skydiving isn't really all that expensive provided you don't also want to own a house, raise a familly, and drive a Benz.
Given all that , your wealth of skydivers = intelligence argument kinda falls apart.

You just "think" that people who jump out of planes are smarter.
I beleive it is an activity more suited for "dumb asses" like myself.

Blues,
Cliff



I didn't read his post as a claim that everyone who skydives is smarter than average. I interpreted it as hypothesis that most (i.e. more than half) of skydivers would be able to score over 100 on a properly administered IQ test. (Please correct me if that isn't a reasonably accurate interpretation of your post, kelpdiver.) It seems like a reasonable hypothesis.
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I didn't read his post as a claim that everyone who skydives is smarter than average. I interpreted it as hypothesis that most (i.e. more than half) of skydivers would be able to score over 100 on a properly administered IQ test. (Please correct me if that isn't a reasonably accurate interpretation of your post, kelpdiver.) It seems like a reasonable hypothesis.



Yes, the average is either the mean, or the midpoint for all those that skydive.

Sure there are DZ bums who make the sport the focus of their life, just as you have ski bums in the winter. If you do that, you can do it for relatively cheap. But by and large, both are expensive sports for those who treat them as a recreational activity.

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Yes, the average is either the mean, or the midpoint for all those that skydive.

Sure there are DZ bums who make the sport the focus of their life, just as you have ski bums in the winter. If you do that, you can do it for relatively cheap. But by and large, both are expensive sports for those who treat them as a recreational activity.



Boating is an expensive sport for those who treat that as a recreational hobby and there are a lot more rec boaters than rec skydivers so using your hypotthesis of money spent on hobby equaling IQ ,skydivers must rate lower in IQ than boaters.

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> and there are a lot more rec boaters than rec skydivers so using your
> hypotthesis of money spent on hobby equaling IQ ,skydivers must rate
> lower in IQ than boaters.

Quite possibly. RC flyers are likely smarter than both, since it takes money and some intelligence to assemble and fly RC aircraft. Of course bowlers are surely the wisest of all since they chose a sport with beer both available and encouraged during participation in their sport.

Side question - has anyone ever been at a bowling alley that had _good_ beer? Thinking back I can't recall seeing much beyond Heineken.

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> and there are a lot more rec boaters than rec skydivers so using your
> hypotthesis of money spent on hobby equaling IQ ,skydivers must rate
> lower in IQ than boaters.

Quite possibly. RC flyers are likely smarter than both, since it takes money and some intelligence to assemble and fly RC aircraft. .



What about those of us who design r/c aircraft then (2 of my designs have been published and kitted)?
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Do you consider your level of intelligence to be above average relative to other people in the developed world?



In answer to your question - as far as IQ goes yes (I have met the MENSA standard of top 2%). But I know that my social skills are below average.

My wife scored higher than me in the MENSA IQ test that we did for fun (top 1%) but she REALLY struggles with reading comprehension and has the attention span of a lightning bolt.

I have worked with a number of mensa people, who were simply not capable of practical application of knowledge so I have a bit of jaded view on IQ tests application to real life. I worked with a guy who during a conversation about intelligence said "I am a member of Densa, but I earn more than you guys and get laid more often":)
Just a side note (and because this is speakers corner) why the developed world - are people in developing nations less intelligent:P?
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