Gawain 0 #1 October 2, 2009 I posted this here, since for the first time in my memory, a sitting US president lobbied the IOC to try and close the deal. Also, to discuss the repercussions if Chicago does not win the 2016 summer games. Personally, I'm rooting for the home team, even though I don't agree with their methods. Mayor Daly and the Governor of Illinois should follow the same play book used by previous cities in the US (Atlanta, Salt Lake, Los Angeles, Lake Placid, etc) that won without a Presidential lobby. Having said that, I think Rio is the one to beat, and I think the fact that an Olympic games has never been held in South America (plus, I've heard that Rio is just an amazing city, though I've never been there) means that the IOC has tough choices to make. So, what does this mean to President and First Lady Obama if Chicago does not close the deal? Some are of the opinion that this matter has already been settled, and that Chicago is a shoe-in. Understandable since so much of what this President does is choreographed beyond common sense. But, if it's not preordained, and Chicago does not win the games, I think this puts a huge mark against President Obama and his image abroad (since he's still apparently so popular in Europe) as well as his credibility to push an agenda back home. It's about two hours until we find out. What do you think?So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,638 #2 October 2, 2009 If its proposal is at all credible, Rio is definitely the one to beat. It is amazing (I lived there for a couple of years). The biggest downsides to Rio are the crime rate (high) and the fact that corruption is still pretty endemic in Brazil, meaning both cost and organizational problems. It's a pity, because it's a lovely place with a lot of great people. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 October 2, 2009 Quote If its proposal is at all credible, Rio is definitely the one to beat. It is amazing (I lived there for a couple of years). The biggest downsides to Rio are the crime rate (high) and the fact that corruption is still pretty endemic in Brazil, meaning both cost and organizational problems. It's a pity, because it's a lovely place with a lot of great people. Wendy P. I would like to see a comparison of crime rates between Rio and Chicago. Chicago has a death rate greater than our casualty rate in Iraq, and corruption....well...you know...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #4 October 2, 2009 Quote Quote If its proposal is at all credible, Rio is definitely the one to beat. It is amazing (I lived there for a couple of years). The biggest downsides to Rio are the crime rate (high) and the fact that corruption is still pretty endemic in Brazil, meaning both cost and organizational problems. It's a pity, because it's a lovely place with a lot of great people. Wendy P. I would like to see a comparison of crime rates between Rio and Chicago. Chicago has a death rate greater than our casualty rate in Iraq, and corruption....well...you know... About the only difference between the two cities is the climate. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 October 2, 2009 Chicago will get it, that city knows how to give a bribe...---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 2, 2009 Part of the issue with the presentations this time around is that every other country sent their King Prime Minister or President to lobby to host the games. How would have it looked if the United States was the only party that did not send the current leader to lobby? Spain has King Juan Carlos representing them, Brazil's got President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Japan's Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama lead their presentation. I'd say Rio has the lead based on what I've gathered but Chicago is looking better now. I'd say Rio gets the games in the end.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 October 2, 2009 QuoteI posted this here, since for the first time in my memory, a sitting US president lobbied the IOC to try and close the deal. Also, to discuss the repercussions if Chicago does not win the 2016 summer games. Personally, I'm rooting for the home team, even though I don't agree with their methods. Mayor Daly and the Governor of Illinois should follow the same play book used by previous cities in the US (Atlanta, Salt Lake, Los Angeles, Lake Placid, etc) that won without a Presidential lobby. Having said that, I think Rio is the one to beat, and I think the fact that an Olympic games has never been held in South America (plus, I've heard that Rio is just an amazing city, though I've never been there) means that the IOC has tough choices to make. So, what does this mean to President and First Lady Obama if Chicago does not close the deal? Some are of the opinion that this matter has already been settled, and that Chicago is a shoe-in. Understandable since so much of what this President does is choreographed beyond common sense. But, if it's not preordained, and Chicago does not win the games, I think this puts a huge mark against President Obama and his image abroad (since he's still apparently so popular in Europe) as well as his credibility to push an agenda back home. It's about two hours until we find out. What do you think? How funny, I hit the prompt for a thread about the olympics and I get a presidential thread. Wait, wait, you say Obama is a Muslim and born in Africa, then why isn't he promoting a city somewhere in Africa for the olympics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 October 2, 2009 QuotePart of the issue with the presentations this time around is that every other country sent their King Prime Minister or President to lobby to host the games. How would have it looked if the United States was the only party that did not send the current leader to lobby? Spain has King Juan Carlos representing them, Brazil's got President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Japan's Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama lead their presentation. I'd say Rio has the lead based on what I've gathered but Chicago is looking better now. I'd say Rio gets the games in the end. Other countries send their heads-of-state all the time. The US has not done so before. The Mayors or Governors provide a more sincere and credible presentation in my opinion.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 October 2, 2009 Quote If its proposal is at all credible, Rio is definitely the one to beat. It is amazing (I lived there for a couple of years). The biggest downsides to Rio are the crime rate (high) and the fact that corruption is still pretty endemic in Brazil, meaning both cost and organizational problems. It's a pity, because it's a lovely place with a lot of great people. Wendy P. I doubt Rio's coruption is worse than Chicago's"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 October 2, 2009 Watch live http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 October 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteI posted this here, since for the first time in my memory, a sitting US president lobbied the IOC to try and close the deal. Also, to discuss the repercussions if Chicago does not win the 2016 summer games. Personally, I'm rooting for the home team, even though I don't agree with their methods. Mayor Daly and the Governor of Illinois should follow the same play book used by previous cities in the US (Atlanta, Salt Lake, Los Angeles, Lake Placid, etc) that won without a Presidential lobby. Having said that, I think Rio is the one to beat, and I think the fact that an Olympic games has never been held in South America (plus, I've heard that Rio is just an amazing city, though I've never been there) means that the IOC has tough choices to make. So, what does this mean to President and First Lady Obama if Chicago does not close the deal? Some are of the opinion that this matter has already been settled, and that Chicago is a shoe-in. Understandable since so much of what this President does is choreographed beyond common sense. But, if it's not preordained, and Chicago does not win the games, I think this puts a huge mark against President Obama and his image abroad (since he's still apparently so popular in Europe) as well as his credibility to push an agenda back home. It's about two hours until we find out. What do you think? How funny, I hit the prompt for a thread about the olympics and I get a presidential thread. Wait, wait, you say Obama is a Muslim and born in Africa, then why isn't he promoting a city somewhere in Africa for the olympics? Dude...what the f*ck are you talking about? I state, clearly, and in english, in the first sentence my meaning. I then elaborate on that, and summarize to continue a discussion. One which you chose not to participate in.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 October 2, 2009 Chicago out the first round"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #13 October 2, 2009 chicago drops out after first round of votes. does it really mean anything? how much did it just cost us for obama's failed attempt here. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 October 2, 2009 QuoteChicago out the first round Just saw that announced. So now it's Rio, Madrid and Tokyo. My wife being Japanese, I'm now rooting for Tokyo. Japan is really cool.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #15 October 2, 2009 you beat me.chicago is a shitty, shitty place anyway. definately a horrible city for us to put on the world stage. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #16 October 2, 2009 rio is a cool city, but from what i remember, the barrios and very visable and very prolific. tokyo eliminated too. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 October 2, 2009 Chicago and Tokyo just eliminated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #18 October 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteChicago out the first round Just saw that announced. So now it's Rio, Madrid and Tokyo. My wife being Japanese, I'm now rooting for Tokyo. Japan is really cool. Now Tokyo is out. Oh well. Rio, here we go!!So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #19 October 2, 2009 i've never been to madrid, but that's my guess now. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #20 October 2, 2009 Tokyo is now eliminated too. Seriously Madrid made it to the final 2?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 October 2, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I posted this here, since for the first time in my memory, a sitting US president lobbied the IOC to try and close the deal. Also, to discuss the repercussions if Chicago does not win the 2016 summer games. Personally, I'm rooting for the home team, even though I don't agree with their methods. Mayor Daly and the Governor of Illinois should follow the same play book used by previous cities in the US (Atlanta, Salt Lake, Los Angeles, Lake Placid, etc) that won without a Presidential lobby. Having said that, I think Rio is the one to beat, and I think the fact that an Olympic games has never been held in South America (plus, I've heard that Rio is just an amazing city, though I've never been there) means that the IOC has tough choices to make. So, what does this mean to President and First Lady Obama if Chicago does not close the deal? Some are of the opinion that this matter has already been settled, and that Chicago is a shoe-in. Understandable since so much of what this President does is choreographed beyond common sense. But, if it's not preordained, and Chicago does not win the games, I think this puts a huge mark against President Obama and his image abroad (since he's still apparently so popular in Europe) as well as his credibility to push an agenda back home. It's about two hours until we find out. What do you think? How funny, I hit the prompt for a thread about the olympics and I get a presidential thread. Wait, wait, you say Obama is a Muslim and born in Africa, then why isn't he promoting a city somewhere in Africa for the olympics? Dude...what the f*ck are you talking about? I state, clearly, and in english, in the first sentence my meaning. I then elaborate on that, and summarize to continue a discussion. One which you chose not to participate in. My point is that all Obama haaters morph most threads back to Dems or Obama and how they are fucking the country up. I guess we were guilty of the same to your boy GWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #22 October 2, 2009 the ioc must be racist. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 October 2, 2009 Who 'hates' Obama?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #24 October 2, 2009 Quote My point is that all Obama haaters morph most threads back to Dems or Obama and how they are fucking the country up. I guess we were guilty of the same to your boy GWB. I did none of that. Why don't you re-read my post and join the discussion. This trip was a huge departure, and the consequences are indeed political. He couldn't close the deal. That's not "hate", it's reality, and it also brings to light that there are some things that the President should NOT do. I personally believe he diminished the office by going to Copenhagen.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 October 2, 2009 Quote Who 'hates' Obama? Not you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
