dreamdancer 0 #26 September 30, 2009 QuoteBut don't you think the problem is a whole lot deeper than America's so called addiction to guns! people must be very scared...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 September 30, 2009 Quoteno, you started it Might want to check who started this thread again. Quoteand you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) You are being silly thinking guns are the cause of the problem. You said it yourself that 3 people were killed with forks. Quotei don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). According to your logic, you are skinny since you don't have a fork or spoon."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #28 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteyou're just being silly ron... You started it. Quotedo you have a point Yes: 1. Guns don't kill anymore than Spoons make people fat. 2. If you REALLY wanted to save lives, you would work against obesity. no, you started it - and you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) i don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). you next. He's not equating a gun with a spoon. He's equating the act of a gun killing to the act of a spoon making people fat. So if obesity is an epidemic and kills hundreds of thousands annually then why not ban spoons?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteno, you started it Might want to check who started this thread again. Quoteand you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) You are being silly thinking guns are the cause of the problem. You said it yourself that 3 people were killed with forks. Quotei don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). According to your logic, you are skinny since you don't have a fork or spoon. according to my logic so many people are murdered by guns in the good old us of a because they have so many guns. if people don't have so many guns then logically less people will be murdered with them...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #30 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteyou're just being silly ron... You started it. Quotedo you have a point Yes: 1. Guns don't kill anymore than Spoons make people fat. 2. If you REALLY wanted to save lives, you would work against obesity. no, you started it - and you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) i don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). you next. He's not equating a gun with a spoon. He's equating the act of a gun killing to the act of a spoon making people fat. So if obesity is an epidemic and kills hundreds of thousands annually then why not ban spoons? now you're being silly...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glitch 0 #31 September 30, 2009 I call bullshit.... Take a carpenters hammer away from him, and he'll use a stone to drive the nail. Take a fisherman's rod from him, and he'll use a stick. Take guns away, and the criminal will use a baseball bat, broom handle, knife, bomb, tire iron, ...or whatever else he can pick up. And, you'll have an army of "formerly" law-abiding citizens... Guns are NOT the problem. Closed minded, non thinking for themselves or remembering relevant world history sheeple are the problem. Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #32 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteyou're just being silly ron... You started it. Quotedo you have a point Yes: 1. Guns don't kill anymore than Spoons make people fat. 2. If you REALLY wanted to save lives, you would work against obesity. no, you started it - and you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) i don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). you next. He's not equating a gun with a spoon. He's equating the act of a gun killing to the act of a spoon making people fat. So if obesity is an epidemic and kills hundreds of thousands annually then why not ban spoons? now you're being silly... Actually, whether you want to recognize it or not, it's a pretty good comparison to your view on guns. I think it's great you don't own a firearm but what makes you think you have the right to deny my right to own a firearm?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #33 September 30, 2009 Quotemore a simple matter of... 'if they didn't have a gun they would be much less of a problem.' And I hold the position that as long as I have a gun, they're less likely to be a problem to me.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteyou're just being silly ron... You started it. Quotedo you have a point Yes: 1. Guns don't kill anymore than Spoons make people fat. 2. If you REALLY wanted to save lives, you would work against obesity. no, you started it - and you're still being silly (equating a gun to a spoon) i don't have a gun and i'm slim (alright skinny). you next. He's not equating a gun with a spoon. He's equating the act of a gun killing to the act of a spoon making people fat. So if obesity is an epidemic and kills hundreds of thousands annually then why not ban spoons? now you're being silly... Actually, whether you want to recognize it or not, it's a pretty good comparison to your view on guns. I think it's great you don't own a firearm but what makes you think you have the right to deny my right to own a firearm? this thread is about the cost to others of your addiction to guns (thousands dead every year). now stop being silly and calling a gun a spoon (before you accidently blow your brains out while attempting to eat lunch).stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #35 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuotemore a simple matter of... 'if they didn't have a gun they would be much less of a problem.' And I hold the position that as long as I have a gun, they're less likely to be a problem to me. you must feel much safer with your guns...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #36 September 30, 2009 Quoteyou must feel much safer with your guns... Actually, its a total package of training, mindset and the right tools for the situation. But yes, I do feel much safer due to the steps I have taken to protect myself and my family, and the proper gun for the situation is apart of this package. Thank you for recognizing this and agreeing.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #37 September 30, 2009 I work in a town that is prone to extreme violence. This place had the highest per capita murder rate in the entire U.S. when I came to work here. The violent crime statistics haven't dropped much in the 25 years I've worked here. Many people say that things are even worse now. There's been a huge increase in gang activity. Guess what? Guns are seldom used. In most cases it is a knife or baseball bat that is killing people. Perhaps we should have a statistics expert add up all the damn baseball bats and knives that are in America. Maybe we should even ban the sport of baseball....I would certainly feel safer then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #38 September 30, 2009 Quotethis thread is about the cost to others of your addiction to guns (thousands dead every year). Yeah and how's that working in your country so far?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #39 September 30, 2009 Quote Guess what? Guns are seldom used. In most cases it is a knife or baseball bat that is killing people. Perhaps we should have a statistics expert add up all the damn baseball bats and knives that are in America. Maybe we should even ban the sport of baseball....I would certainly feel safer then. guess again... ...Every year, 12,000 people are shot to death in the US - accounting for more than two out of every three killings. That's an average of 33 people daily.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #40 September 30, 2009 Quote this thread is about the cost to others of your addiction to guns (thousands dead every year). [B]MY gun has had ZERO cost to society. It was never used in a murder, never associated with injury, and it actually stimulated some economic benifit when it was produced. If you are going to take away my gun, I would hope that you ensure that you are taking away illegal guns that have an actual cost to society."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #41 September 30, 2009 QuoteGuns kill about 30k in the US per year. About 57% are suicides. Oh my gosh! It's a national crisis! Immediate legislation to ban suicide is the only solution. The government must act! By simply banning suicide, we can cut gun deaths by more than half!-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullin82 0 #42 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteyou're just being silly ron... You started it. Quotedo you have a point Yes: 1. Guns don't kill anymore than Spoons make people fat. 2. If you REALLY wanted to save lives, you would work against obesity. I think he means like what a good number of people know about guns...since there invention a gun has never killed anyone and if you say they have then i guess Mozart didnt write his music his pencil did nor did he play it his instrument did. Ill be glad to ilaberate if someone doesnt understand what i mean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #43 September 30, 2009 Quoteblaming tv or violent video games is just as silly as blaming music or guns. But why is it just as silly? .................................................................... I can see a very direct link between violence seen over and over on video games or T.V. and violent behavior in kids. I thought Albert Bandura proved the link between observing violence and aggression. Remember the Bobo doll experiment. I read a book recently called, (On Killing). The author was a former Army Ranger who became a clinical psychologist. The author states that it is very hard to train someone to kill another person. But with the proper training it can be done. There is chapter after chapter detailing how it is easier for soldiers and police to kill after spending hours in video game like training. He went on to state that kids are being desensitized to death and violence, in the same manner a soldier or policeman is, when they spend hour after hour playing violent video games. These games are so real that kids often have a hard time sleeping after. Their heart rate remains very high for a long while after. I'm not a research nut. Perhaps there isn't a ton of hard evidence out there yet, but I'm convinced that seein violence (even on TV or Video games) does have an impact. I grew up watching violence once in a while on TV. I loved shows like Bonnanza, Gun Smoke, and wrestling. You've got to admit that the realism to shows like that are a far cry from what kids are watching now..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #44 September 30, 2009 i grew up watching second world war films and cowboy and western films - all very violent...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #45 September 30, 2009 Quotedon't you just love guns... Yes, but not as much as I like cars which kill 42,000 people a year (115 people a day) or fattening food which probably kills at least 236,000 people a year (646 daily). Quote Every year, 12,000 people are shot to death in the US - accounting for more than two out of every three killings. That's an average of 33 people daily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #46 September 30, 2009 well,, if only the government could,, they would surely do the right thing on everything, now wouldnt they ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #47 September 30, 2009 I think people should be educated about firearms. Trained to use them. At least there would be less bystanders killed. Didn't Australia ban all firearms? How's that working out for em? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #48 September 30, 2009 QuoteI think people should be educated about firearms. Trained to use them. At least there would be less bystanders killed. Didn't Australia ban all firearms? How's that working out for em? their army still has quite a lot of them...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #49 September 30, 2009 Isn't that the purpose of the people designating someone to uphold the law? They have the ability to uphold it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #50 September 30, 2009 QuoteI think people should be educated about firearms. Trained to use them. At least there would be less bystanders killed. That's actually a very good point. If you really care about reducing gun accidents (and probably also gun violence) the very first, best step would be to implement mandatory firearm safety training in public schools. I suspect that the opposition of some to this very reasonable suggestion is more readily attributable to their unreasoning prejudice against firearms, which stems from an often willful ignorance. Of course, that's often the same place a desire to ban firearms comes from.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
