Lucky... 0 #1 September 29, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090928/ap_on_go_ot/us_census_income_gap_1 US income gap widens as poor take hit in recession So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. Taxing teh rich is the only way to reverse it. Household income declined across all groups, but at sharper percentage levels for middle-income and poor Americans. Median income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade's worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #2 September 29, 2009 Quotehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090928/ap_on_go_ot/us_census_income_gap_1 US income gap widens as poor take hit in recession So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. Taxing teh rich is the only way to reverse it.Quote But they work so much harder and yada, yada, yada. The fact is that no rich man got rich without either exploiting the "less fortunate" , "gaming the system", having rich relatives die , or being paid off by the government to waive their RIGHTS TO INVESTIGATE AND SUE OVER 9-11. Blues, Cliff Military men are dumb,stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #3 September 29, 2009 QuoteTaxing teh rich is the only way to reverse it. You want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. QuoteMedian income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade's worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997. So we should tax the rich more? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #4 September 29, 2009 QuoteYou want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. It's called distribution of wealth, it's necessary to keep a country healthy. Wanna see what America is like? Go play Monopoly, that's what we have. QuoteSo we should tax the rich more? Yes, the number given is after decades of wealth disparity; it's not a new concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #5 September 29, 2009 Quote But they work so much harder and yada, yada, yada. The fact is that no rich man got rich without either exploiting the "less fortunate" , "gaming the system", having rich relatives die , or being paid off by the government to waive their RIGHTS TO INVESTIGATE AND SUE OVER 9-11. Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #6 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote But they work so much harder and yada, yada, yada. The fact is that no rich man got rich without either exploiting the "less fortunate" , "gaming the system", having rich relatives die , or being paid off by the government to waive their RIGHTS TO INVESTIGATE AND SUE OVER 9-11. Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. I know, poor young families, recently laid off, just had their carreer field contracted, people with pre-existing medical conditions that cannot work due to it.,..... yea, I get it, lazy worhtless Americans. Just keep watching the polls, sparky, things they are a changin. I wonder how many ass-kickings it will take until the R's get it? This next one will be 3 in a row; will that do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #7 September 29, 2009 >So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% > of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. There are a lot of things in the world that are truly obscene. Stats on who has more money than who isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #8 September 29, 2009 Quote It's called distribution of wealth, Yes I know what it's called. I've heard it somewhere else before. Quoteit's necessary to keep a country healthy. Says who? Russia? Cuba? Wealth moving around happens in all societies. In capitalism it's supposed to happen naturally. In socialist countries it's government forced. That's besides the point anyway. You said we need to tax the rich to bring them down to other peoples' levels. It's not necessary to keep the country healthy. It's greed, jealousy, and bitterness of people better off than you. QuoteWanna see what America is like? Go play Monopoly, that's what we have. Would you still play the game if everytime you started winning, mom came in and gave half your money to the kid who squandered all of his? QuoteQuoteSo we should tax the rich more? Yes, the number given is after decades of wealth disparity; it's not a new concept. You want to tax the rich more than they already are because there is a wealth disparity. Wah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #9 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! They have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! So don't talk about the "lazy and bitter" to me. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" - Henry Kissenger2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #10 September 29, 2009 Quote I know, poor young families, recently laid off, just had their carreer field contracted, people with pre-existing medical conditions that cannot work due to it.,..... yea, I get it, lazy worhtless Americans. I said nothing about the Americans who lost their jobs. I said that worthless whining post about only rotten people being rich was a joke and an excuse. Quote Just keep watching the polls, sparky, things they are a changin. You're damn right they are. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform http://www.gallup.com/poll/123101/Americans-Likely-Say-Government-Doing-Too-Much.aspx http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2009/59_say_americans_angrier_now_than_under_bush http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx Quote I wonder how many ass-kickings it will take until the R's get it? This next one will be 3 in a row; will that do it? And if that doesn't happen, will you get it or will you continue to defend Hopey Changey and take it out on people better off than you? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #11 September 29, 2009 Quote Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. Although a tad cynical for me, we might could actually agree on some things. Quote The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! We do agree on some things. QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #12 September 29, 2009 QuoteWah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh You know it's kind of cruel of you to reduce the Dem's overall viewpoint to it's most pure form like that......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #13 September 29, 2009 >We might could actually agree on some things. >This is where you lose me. So "every person in congress . . is beholden to corporate America" is a perfectly valid assumption, but saying they are "bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite" is totally unfounded? Both sound about equally supportable to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #14 September 29, 2009 Quote>We might could actually agree on some things. >This is where you lose me. So "every person in congress . . is beholden to corporate America" is a perfectly valid assumption, but saying they are "bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite" is totally unfounded? Both sound about equally supportable to me. Holy cherry-picking Batman. I said we might could agree on some things. Not 'I now believe everything you do.' I think congress loses touch with the Americans they're representing. I don't think they're all bought by corporations. The "here is where you lose me" is because his original quote was a broad sweeping statment about all rich people being dirty, lying cheats. It had nothing to do with congress or anyone in particular. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #15 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote *** QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I want Our Freedom back!! I've taken mine. Are you man enough to take yours? Blues, Cliff "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #16 September 29, 2009 Quote>So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% > of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. There are a lot of things in the world that are truly obscene. Stats on who has more money than who isn't one of them. When the stats indicate that many are w/o healthcare and sometimes even a home, they are obscene. If we're comparing billionaires on Forbes' list, I agree, it matters not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #17 September 29, 2009 Quote Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Me too. Don't keep sticking your hand in my pockets and coming up with assanine reasons to further tax the rich. That's not directed at you, BTW. It's directed at the thread title. Quote Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I'm gunna go ahead and say you're moving towards the deep end here. Nobody is taking your kids and making them fight anywhere. It's not even a topic of discussion in the thread. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #18 September 29, 2009 >I think congress loses touch with the Americans they're representing. I think some do, some don't. Some are really trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability; you don't hear about these people very often. Others want to scream and cry and get on TV. These are the people you hear about. I think the rich have pretty much the same story. Some are just people who happened upon the right combination of luck, talent, hard work and timing. Some are greedy exploitative SOB's. Those are the people you hear most about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #19 September 29, 2009 Quote I think some do, some don't. Some are really trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability; you don't hear about these people very often. Others want to scream and cry and get on TV. These are the people you hear about. Excellent point. Agreed. QuoteI think the rich have pretty much the same story. Some are just people who happened upon the right combination of luck, talent, hard work and timing. Some are greedy exploitative SOB's. Those are the people you hear most about. Agreed completely on both points. First time for everything! -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #20 September 29, 2009 Quote Yes I know what it's called. I've heard it somewhere else before. Probably at a GOP convention when they declared they wanted to keep shifting it further north. Quote Says who? Russia? Cuba? Speaking of Russia and Cuba, I bet our D of W mirrors theirs. Quote Wealth moving around happens in all societies. In capitalism it's supposed to happen naturally. In socialist countries it's government forced. In Capitalism it is controlled by the welathy elitists who are not accountable to anyone. In Communism it is controlled by the government for the government. In Soicalism it is controlled by teh government for teh people; if it turns to being for teh gov then it is Communism. Quote That's besides the point anyway. You said we need to tax the rich to bring them down to other peoples' levels. Gee, I don't recall writing that, I believe you interpreted that in your own words. We need to tax the rich more so the gap shortens some. Quote It's not necessary to keep the country healthy. It's greed, jealousy, and bitterness of people better off than you. No, it's to have a society where people don't have different rules for different classes. It's about a society that works in harmony where people all have a chance at properity and have basic needs met along the way. Quote Would you still play the game if everytime you started winning, mom came in and gave half your money to the kid who squandered all of his? No, but if it went to people who don't have as much for legitimate reasons like many do, then I would find it pallatable. Quote You want to tax the rich more than they already are because there is a wealth disparity. Yes. Quote Wah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh That's what you say to people w/o healthcare too, pure compassion. But write that down, when Obama raises taxes on the rich after HC reform, that's what I will be thinking to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #21 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! They have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! So don't talk about the "lazy and bitter" to me. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" - Henry Kissenger yeah... that reply didn't sound bitter at all...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #22 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote *** Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I'm gunna go ahead and say you're moving towards the deep end here. Nobody is taking your kids and making them fight anywhere. It's not even a topic of discussion in the thread. Really, well who is going to fight the Iranians for Israel then? The volunteer army is stretched pretty thin now considering Iraq,Pakistan,Somalia,Afghanistan and on and on and on since the towers fell straight down that day and number 7 fell at least twice if you tune in to the BBC or the CIA or is it KGB? Such a beautiful, sunny, September day. Some fuck heads Passion Play. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb ,stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #23 September 29, 2009 >When the stats indicate that many are w/o healthcare and >sometimes even a home, they are obscene. I guess we have different definitions of obscene, then. Someone who has to live in a shelter and go to an ER for lousy medical care? Not all that obscene. Pretty good by most of the world's standards actually. A war where both sides use kids for shields? A genocide where hundreds of thousands are killed by having their arms hacked off? Pretty obscene. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #24 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. It's called distribution of wealth, it's necessary to keep a country healthy. It's not. Obsessions over "wealth distribution" are wasteful distractions from the real issues affecting lower earning individuals' quality of life. Bill Gates having just 84,000X my assets instead of 168,000X has nothing to do with my being able to have a home, transportation, decent food, some level of creature comforts, and the ability to retire once I get old and tired. Warren Buffet doing 124,000X better instead of 248,000X has nothing to do with my competitiveness in the global labor market where people in emerging markets with low costs of living do "the same job" for 1/5th my Salary. Real problems stem from "common-man" friendly government programs like buying up mortgages, thus insulating banks from risks and allowing artificially low interest rates which drive up the cost of real-estate so that we've gone from people paying half their salary for five years to 30-50% of their salary for 30 or 40 years to buy a home. Real problems stem from "common-man" friendly government programs like student loan guarantees, thus getting young people unaware of true debt service costs into loans with necessary secondary education cost increases far outpacing inflation so that we've gone from a part time job covering college with no debt to young people entering their adult life owing what they'd pay for half an artificially inflated house. Those same problems make the impending collision between first and third world costs of labor and living more severe than it has to be and amplify the pain of the people caught up in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #25 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote *** QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I want Our Freedom back!! I've taken mine. Are you man enough to take yours? Blues, Cliff "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger I'm with you on the debt, but who was drafted to go to war in the last 30 years? And which politicians are going to commit career suicide by proposing we reinstate the draft?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
FallingOsh 0 #3 September 29, 2009 QuoteTaxing teh rich is the only way to reverse it. You want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. QuoteMedian income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade's worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997. So we should tax the rich more? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #4 September 29, 2009 QuoteYou want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. It's called distribution of wealth, it's necessary to keep a country healthy. Wanna see what America is like? Go play Monopoly, that's what we have. QuoteSo we should tax the rich more? Yes, the number given is after decades of wealth disparity; it's not a new concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #5 September 29, 2009 Quote But they work so much harder and yada, yada, yada. The fact is that no rich man got rich without either exploiting the "less fortunate" , "gaming the system", having rich relatives die , or being paid off by the government to waive their RIGHTS TO INVESTIGATE AND SUE OVER 9-11. Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote But they work so much harder and yada, yada, yada. The fact is that no rich man got rich without either exploiting the "less fortunate" , "gaming the system", having rich relatives die , or being paid off by the government to waive their RIGHTS TO INVESTIGATE AND SUE OVER 9-11. Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. I know, poor young families, recently laid off, just had their carreer field contracted, people with pre-existing medical conditions that cannot work due to it.,..... yea, I get it, lazy worhtless Americans. Just keep watching the polls, sparky, things they are a changin. I wonder how many ass-kickings it will take until the R's get it? This next one will be 3 in a row; will that do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #7 September 29, 2009 >So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% > of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. There are a lot of things in the world that are truly obscene. Stats on who has more money than who isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #8 September 29, 2009 Quote It's called distribution of wealth, Yes I know what it's called. I've heard it somewhere else before. Quoteit's necessary to keep a country healthy. Says who? Russia? Cuba? Wealth moving around happens in all societies. In capitalism it's supposed to happen naturally. In socialist countries it's government forced. That's besides the point anyway. You said we need to tax the rich to bring them down to other peoples' levels. It's not necessary to keep the country healthy. It's greed, jealousy, and bitterness of people better off than you. QuoteWanna see what America is like? Go play Monopoly, that's what we have. Would you still play the game if everytime you started winning, mom came in and gave half your money to the kid who squandered all of his? QuoteQuoteSo we should tax the rich more? Yes, the number given is after decades of wealth disparity; it's not a new concept. You want to tax the rich more than they already are because there is a wealth disparity. Wah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #9 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! They have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! So don't talk about the "lazy and bitter" to me. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" - Henry Kissenger2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #10 September 29, 2009 Quote I know, poor young families, recently laid off, just had their carreer field contracted, people with pre-existing medical conditions that cannot work due to it.,..... yea, I get it, lazy worhtless Americans. I said nothing about the Americans who lost their jobs. I said that worthless whining post about only rotten people being rich was a joke and an excuse. Quote Just keep watching the polls, sparky, things they are a changin. You're damn right they are. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform http://www.gallup.com/poll/123101/Americans-Likely-Say-Government-Doing-Too-Much.aspx http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2009/59_say_americans_angrier_now_than_under_bush http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx Quote I wonder how many ass-kickings it will take until the R's get it? This next one will be 3 in a row; will that do it? And if that doesn't happen, will you get it or will you continue to defend Hopey Changey and take it out on people better off than you? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #11 September 29, 2009 Quote Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. Although a tad cynical for me, we might could actually agree on some things. Quote The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! We do agree on some things. QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 September 29, 2009 QuoteWah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh You know it's kind of cruel of you to reduce the Dem's overall viewpoint to it's most pure form like that......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #13 September 29, 2009 >We might could actually agree on some things. >This is where you lose me. So "every person in congress . . is beholden to corporate America" is a perfectly valid assumption, but saying they are "bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite" is totally unfounded? Both sound about equally supportable to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #14 September 29, 2009 Quote>We might could actually agree on some things. >This is where you lose me. So "every person in congress . . is beholden to corporate America" is a perfectly valid assumption, but saying they are "bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite" is totally unfounded? Both sound about equally supportable to me. Holy cherry-picking Batman. I said we might could agree on some things. Not 'I now believe everything you do.' I think congress loses touch with the Americans they're representing. I don't think they're all bought by corporations. The "here is where you lose me" is because his original quote was a broad sweeping statment about all rich people being dirty, lying cheats. It had nothing to do with congress or anyone in particular. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #15 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote *** QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I want Our Freedom back!! I've taken mine. Are you man enough to take yours? Blues, Cliff "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 September 29, 2009 Quote>So aside from the fact that the top 20% hold 93% of the cash and 85% > of all cash and asset, that's growing even more obscene. There are a lot of things in the world that are truly obscene. Stats on who has more money than who isn't one of them. When the stats indicate that many are w/o healthcare and sometimes even a home, they are obscene. If we're comparing billionaires on Forbes' list, I agree, it matters not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #17 September 29, 2009 Quote Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Me too. Don't keep sticking your hand in my pockets and coming up with assanine reasons to further tax the rich. That's not directed at you, BTW. It's directed at the thread title. Quote Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I'm gunna go ahead and say you're moving towards the deep end here. Nobody is taking your kids and making them fight anywhere. It's not even a topic of discussion in the thread. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #18 September 29, 2009 >I think congress loses touch with the Americans they're representing. I think some do, some don't. Some are really trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability; you don't hear about these people very often. Others want to scream and cry and get on TV. These are the people you hear about. I think the rich have pretty much the same story. Some are just people who happened upon the right combination of luck, talent, hard work and timing. Some are greedy exploitative SOB's. Those are the people you hear most about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #19 September 29, 2009 Quote I think some do, some don't. Some are really trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability; you don't hear about these people very often. Others want to scream and cry and get on TV. These are the people you hear about. Excellent point. Agreed. QuoteI think the rich have pretty much the same story. Some are just people who happened upon the right combination of luck, talent, hard work and timing. Some are greedy exploitative SOB's. Those are the people you hear most about. Agreed completely on both points. First time for everything! -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 September 29, 2009 Quote Yes I know what it's called. I've heard it somewhere else before. Probably at a GOP convention when they declared they wanted to keep shifting it further north. Quote Says who? Russia? Cuba? Speaking of Russia and Cuba, I bet our D of W mirrors theirs. Quote Wealth moving around happens in all societies. In capitalism it's supposed to happen naturally. In socialist countries it's government forced. In Capitalism it is controlled by the welathy elitists who are not accountable to anyone. In Communism it is controlled by the government for the government. In Soicalism it is controlled by teh government for teh people; if it turns to being for teh gov then it is Communism. Quote That's besides the point anyway. You said we need to tax the rich to bring them down to other peoples' levels. Gee, I don't recall writing that, I believe you interpreted that in your own words. We need to tax the rich more so the gap shortens some. Quote It's not necessary to keep the country healthy. It's greed, jealousy, and bitterness of people better off than you. No, it's to have a society where people don't have different rules for different classes. It's about a society that works in harmony where people all have a chance at properity and have basic needs met along the way. Quote Would you still play the game if everytime you started winning, mom came in and gave half your money to the kid who squandered all of his? No, but if it went to people who don't have as much for legitimate reasons like many do, then I would find it pallatable. Quote You want to tax the rich more than they already are because there is a wealth disparity. Yes. Quote Wah, life isn't fair... they have more and I want it... wahh That's what you say to people w/o healthcare too, pure compassion. But write that down, when Obama raises taxes on the rich after HC reform, that's what I will be thinking to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #21 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Blues, Cliff Sounds like a perfect excuse for the lazy and bitter who want to punish people better off than them. Listen,Pal, The wealthy have taken over our government. Every person in congress and even the President are beholden to corporate America and AIPAC for their posts. The Congress dosen't represent us! They can't even relate to us! They have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! So don't talk about the "lazy and bitter" to me. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" - Henry Kissenger yeah... that reply didn't sound bitter at all...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #22 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuote *** Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I'm gunna go ahead and say you're moving towards the deep end here. Nobody is taking your kids and making them fight anywhere. It's not even a topic of discussion in the thread. Really, well who is going to fight the Iranians for Israel then? The volunteer army is stretched pretty thin now considering Iraq,Pakistan,Somalia,Afghanistan and on and on and on since the towers fell straight down that day and number 7 fell at least twice if you tune in to the BBC or the CIA or is it KGB? Such a beautiful, sunny, September day. Some fuck heads Passion Play. Blues, Cliff " Military men are dumb ,stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger,2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #23 September 29, 2009 >When the stats indicate that many are w/o healthcare and >sometimes even a home, they are obscene. I guess we have different definitions of obscene, then. Someone who has to live in a shelter and go to an ER for lousy medical care? Not all that obscene. Pretty good by most of the world's standards actually. A war where both sides use kids for shields? A genocide where hundreds of thousands are killed by having their arms hacked off? Pretty obscene. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #24 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou want to tax them to reverse them making more money than the poor? So now it isn't even an argument that we need the money to run the country. Now we just need to tax them so they'll be brought down to others' levels. It's called distribution of wealth, it's necessary to keep a country healthy. It's not. Obsessions over "wealth distribution" are wasteful distractions from the real issues affecting lower earning individuals' quality of life. Bill Gates having just 84,000X my assets instead of 168,000X has nothing to do with my being able to have a home, transportation, decent food, some level of creature comforts, and the ability to retire once I get old and tired. Warren Buffet doing 124,000X better instead of 248,000X has nothing to do with my competitiveness in the global labor market where people in emerging markets with low costs of living do "the same job" for 1/5th my Salary. Real problems stem from "common-man" friendly government programs like buying up mortgages, thus insulating banks from risks and allowing artificially low interest rates which drive up the cost of real-estate so that we've gone from people paying half their salary for five years to 30-50% of their salary for 30 or 40 years to buy a home. Real problems stem from "common-man" friendly government programs like student loan guarantees, thus getting young people unaware of true debt service costs into loans with necessary secondary education cost increases far outpacing inflation so that we've gone from a part time job covering college with no debt to young people entering their adult life owing what they'd pay for half an artificially inflated house. Those same problems make the impending collision between first and third world costs of labor and living more severe than it has to be and amplify the pain of the people caught up in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #25 September 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote *** QuoteThey have been bought and paid for by the very wealthy elite! This is where you lose me. You're quote said the only rich people are ones who got there by taking advantage of people and gaming the system. You didn't say anything specifying congress or one particular person. You said all rich people are dirty or lucked into the money. That's crap. and does make you sound bitter. Bitter? I could give a fuck about your filthy Lucre. All I care about is my Freedom. Don't make my children slaves to the governments' debt and don't force my kids into conscripted service to fight the war in Iran or any other war. I want Our Freedom back!! I've taken mine. Are you man enough to take yours? Blues, Cliff "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"- Henry Kissenger I'm with you on the debt, but who was drafted to go to war in the last 30 years? And which politicians are going to commit career suicide by proposing we reinstate the draft?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
