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s I have stated before, the reason socialism works in New Zealand, is the same reason it works in Canada-
Canada has the US to help provide security and New Zealand has Australia. It's very convenient. Does New Zealand Even have an Air force? What a huge savings.

So you can live without socilaism, because you have a socialised defence force? that makes sence!

We have an army and a Navy, we used to have an airforce (we still have a minimal one) but a coast guard is our main concern. Cunts pillaging our well managed seafood recources are a huge threat.

Australia has a very similar socialist/capitalist system as NZ, they have socilaised medicine and rebates for pharmacuticals, they also have an airfoce, army and navy.

defence forces are for the most part socialist.

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Here in the US, where all the worlds economies combine, we have to ensure our security for the sake of the worlds markets. Our capitalist markets have been a great engine for other markets to grow in.

America has forced this upon the world since world war 2, any country wanting to trade oil in anything other than US$ has faced very tough decisions indeed, iraq and venezuela are two of them.

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Our capitalist markets have been a great engine for other markets to grow in. China, India, Taiwan, nothing is actually make in america anymore. What would happened to the New Zealand economy when the US went belly up?

We would continue selling our (plantation) wood, pulp, wool,(grazed) beef, (grazed) lamb, (Grazed) milk, butter, and cheese to the world.

Also as the world gets exponentially ruined by corporate greed, our green snow covered hills and mountains will continue to attract millions of people to visit. Agriculture is our primary income and tourism is the second, We don't need americans.

The real question is; What will the USA do if the world starts trading oil in euros? The US$ has fluctuated so much lately and is losing the ground that it gained back in last years orcastrated sharmarket crash.

where the rockefellas and rothschilds.. fortunes are made of the US, they will move to where the profit is at the end of the day.

America and americans are too sure of themselves, your powerhold on the world has lost its strength but the attitudes that goes along with it still lingre.

As you said you export nothing, you produce crappy cars that no one else can afford to run.

what will you do when the oil is no longer the backbone of the world economy?

you'd better start thinking, coz the fat cats will bail on ya with all your cash you have invested in them. Thier swiss bank accounts will be fat and the mederterranian will be nice on thier super yacht, meanwhile americans will have nothing but a shitload of debt.

better start making a plan, or you'll miss the boat!

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Also, from your original post I got the impression that you agree with signing things before they are read. I am sending you some documents, don't bother to read, just sign.

No, I beleive that movements in the right direction need to be made promptly, adjustments and ammnedments can be made in the future, but waiting for the beaurocracy of the rights' selfish, corporate adgenda will only worsen the already ugly situation.

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tax cut expires and more taxes get piled on.

Why do you always seem so happy that taxes will be going up? You like sending your check to the Govt? You always seem to smile when more taxes get mentioned. Why is that?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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When you hear "We need to do this quickly"......

...I'm 16 again, in the back seat of my dad's Dodge, parked up at the reservoir.

I feel sorry for the girl you were with

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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You are full of the "truth"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Leave then. WE will welcome you back once you have learned

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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tax cut expires and more taxes get piled on.

Why do you always seem so happy that taxes will be going up? You like sending your check to the Govt? You always seem to smile when more taxes get mentioned. Why is that?

You forget - taxes are for those evil people that have the audacity to work for a living. Those selfish bastards!

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As I have stated before, the reason socialism works in New Zealand, is the same reason it works in Canada-
Canada has the US to help provide security and New Zealand has Australia.

That's hillarious. HINT: countries that aren't opressive, imperialistic assholes don't have to defend themselves against anyone.

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2009/

New Zealand is #1 and Canda #8 most peaceful countries in teh world, that IS my point. Hmmmm,where;s teh US? Oh yea, 83 this year with Obama, up from 97 under Bush last year. Figure it out.

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It's very convenient. Does New Zealand Even have an Air force? What a huge savings.

Yea, think of it, don't fuck with people, don't need a massive military, what a savings. It all makes sense to me.

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Here in the US, where all the worlds economies combine,..

Combine and go down the toilet. Just ask all teh foreign countries that have lost billions with this last mess.

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...we have to ensure our security for the sake of the worlds markets.

Oh, is AL Quaeda attacking Wall Street now?

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Our capitalist markets have been a great engine for other markets to grow in. China, India, Taiwan, nothing is actually make in america anymore.

Right, we outsource it so our people starve so the few Americans can be filthy rich and then deny HC to those same working stiffs from whom they outsourced work.

The reason we're agreat market is due to use being a nation based upon consuption.

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What would happened to the New Zealand economy when the US went belly up?

New Zealand doesn't give a shit about the US economy. Their main economy is tourism because it's such a paradise.

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tax cut expires and more taxes get piled on.

Why do you always seem so happy that taxes will be going up? You like sending your check to the Govt? You always seem to smile when more taxes get mentioned. Why is that?

Why do you never address my data, or none of your cohorts? 2 reasons:

1) You don't get taxed. If you think your little BS that gets sent in matters, you're delluded. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers pays <4% of all taxes, teh cutoff is about 32k GROSS ADJUSTED, which means people who own a house and have a couple kids and earn 50kish per yr. We just don't pay shit. Even if you earn 100k/yr, you still don't really contribute that much, so a tax increase doesn't affect you, just the people who have been grossly undertaxed for 30 years or more.

2) Whenever taxes are raised the economy does better and the deficit gets repaired and the debt increase falls. Cut taxes and the opposite happens, would you like supporting data?

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Leave then. WE will welcome you back once you have learned

I don't think so, I will keep you informed if I ever make it. I can read your angry, data-dodging rhetoric and you can view my pictures of happiness.

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tax cut expires and more taxes get piled on.

Why do you always seem so happy that taxes will be going up? You like sending your check to the Govt? You always seem to smile when more taxes get mentioned. Why is that?

You forget - taxes are for those evil people that have the audacity to work for a living. Those selfish bastards!

Yea, go act like your little 1700 you pay every year even matters. You're probably in the group that pays 4% of all taxes, if not, slightly above.

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Leave then. WE will welcome you back once you have learned

I don't think so, I will keep you informed if I ever make it. I can read your angry, data-dodging rhetoric and you can view my pictures of happiness.

Then stay if you want. I dont care. I just thought it was a perfect situation for you to grow up
Angry? No,, dont think so. Frustrated by others ignorance? Ya, that happens. Data? You got data? Now that is fucking funny.

And today I am happy. If I have to live in the world you support? Well, thing may change then. But, until then, today life is good.

And I hope you are happy. And I hope you dont fuck yourself (and the rest of us by forcing your world view on us)and get what you seem to think you want and wreck it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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You got data? Now that is fucking funny.

I know, from the author of, "My diddy the perfect teacher." A recount of readin', ritin' and rithmatic.

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And today I am happy.

Did you get your meds?

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If I have to live in the world you support? Well, thing may change then. But, until then, today life is good.

When Obamacare is enacted, better double up on the red ones.

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And I hope you are happy. And I hope you dont fuck yourself (and the rest of us by forcing your world view on us)and get what you seem to think you want and wreck it.

Explain how it could get worse.

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You got data? Now that is fucking funny.

I know, from the author of, "My diddy the perfect teacher." A recount of readin', ritin' and rithmatic.

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And today I am happy.

Did you get your meds?

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If I have to live in the world you support? Well, thing may change then. But, until then, today life is good.

When Obamacare is enacted, better double up on the red ones.

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And I hope you are happy. And I hope you dont fuck yourself (and the rest of us by forcing your world view on us)and get what you seem to think you want and wreck it.

Explain how it could get worse.

It will not, unless you get your way

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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So you can live without socilaism, because you have a socialised defence force? that makes sence!

We have an army and a Navy, we used to have an airforce (we still have a minimal one) but a coast guard is our main concern. Cunts pillaging our well managed seafood recources are a huge threat.

Australia has a very similar socialist/capitalist system as NZ, they have socilaised medicine and rebates for pharmacuticals, they also have an airfoce, army and navy.

defence forces are for the most part socialist.

This is one of the most wrong statements I have ever seen. having a military does not make the country socialist. All countries have the right to defend their sovereignty. Also, nobody looks to you to fix all of their problems. Everyone comes to the US looking for help. You also have not promised yourself to Israel.
Yes, you have a military, but your biggest threat to your country, as you have just said, is poachers in your territorial waters. New Zealand having a huge military is like Switzerland needing a huge military.

The other part o the equation that you are missing is the population of NZ and AUS. Your not trying to cover nearly as many people with your health care. Also, as you have stated, your country has something to export, therefor are able to levy taxes from all.

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America has forced this upon the world since world war 2, any country wanting to trade oil in anything other than US$ has faced very tough decisions indeed, iraq and venezuela are two of them.

America hasn't forced anyone to trade in dollars. It's just convenient since everyone wants to trade in America. Having one of the most open and capitalist based markets, it's where everyone wanted to go because we had to smallest tariffs and the least amount of corruption (for a while anyway) of any other market. You want to trade in America, you trade in American dollars. When NZ becomes the economic center of the Universe, we will all trade in NZ$.

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We would continue selling our (plantation) wood, pulp, wool,(grazed) beef, (grazed) lamb, (Grazed) milk, butter, and cheese to the world.

Also as the world gets exponentially ruined by corporate greed, our green snow covered hills and mountains will continue to attract millions of people to visit. Agriculture is our primary income and tourism is the second, We don't need americans.

The real question is; What will the USA do if the world starts trading oil in euros? The US$ has fluctuated so much lately and is losing the ground that it gained back in last years orcastrated sharmarket crash.

where the rockefellas and rothschilds.. fortunes are made of the US, they will move to where the profit is at the end of the day.

America and americans are too sure of themselves, your powerhold on the world has lost its strength but the attitudes that goes along with it still lingre.

As you said you export nothing, you produce crappy cars that no one else can afford to run.

what will you do when the oil is no longer the backbone of the world economy?

you'd better start thinking, coz the fat cats will bail on ya with all your cash you have invested in them. Thier swiss bank accounts will be fat and the mederterranian will be nice on thier super yacht, meanwhile americans will have nothing but a shitload of debt.

better start making a plan, or you'll miss the boat!

You've pretty much made my point for me. Yes we have the super rich, and they are the ones who have to start the new industries in the US. Yes, all we export is crappy cars. With that said, who are we going to tax to pay for health care? The super rich? If the US doesn't have some kind of industry to replenish the coffers, even they will run out of money after a while, or leave the country. California right now is the perfect example.

Every one is saying health care now, but no one knows how they will pay for it. Having a real industry and jobs should be the priority. Once we have a strong market place, then maybe look at health care, otherwise who is going to pay for it? America is on the verge of collapse unless we start to produce something. If we don't produce and try to socialize our health care, we are just speeding up our demise. You are lucky that a flood of illegal immigrants haven't ruined your farms and other industries yet.

And you still never answered the question of if you would sign a document before you read it. You think we need health care now, but do you know all the legal ins and outs of what is involved with that piece of crap on the senate floor? If you did, you would vote hell no.

All the legalese, double speak, and false promises is the reason they want to push it through in a hurry.

Every country is different. Just because it may work in NZ, AUS, Switzerland, and a few others doesn't mean it will work in the US. Our circumstances are different. Huge commitments over seas and no industry are a bad combination.

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Why do you never address my data, or none of your cohorts?

Oh goodie, I ask you a direct and simple question and the reply I get is a sidestep with another question.

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1) You don't get taxed.

Really? So when will the money stop leaving my paycheck?

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If you think your little BS that gets sent in matters, you're delluded.

May be a little amount in your eyes but to me it's a lot. The amount of all the taxes I paid last year total in everything was at 43% of my gross. That was all my fuel tax, retail, federal, state, local, property, SS, everything. So how much more do you want to bleed out of me. I cannot afford much more to fund these BS social programs.

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teh cutoff is about 32k GROSS ADJUSTED, which means people who own a house and have a couple kids and earn 50kish per yr.

Ok, No kids and I am above 32K adjusted. So that means you want more from me?

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We just don't pay shit.

Speak for yourself. I see less and less of my check with all the deductions.

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2) Whenever taxes are raised the economy does better and the deficit gets repaired and the debt increase falls.

So you raise taxes and spend your way out of debt? How does that work? How about the Govt try what everyone else i the world has to do. Stop spending when you dont have money!!!!!!!!!! Works pretty good on my end. I would love to own a BMW. But I cannot afford it. So why would I buy one?

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Cut taxes and the opposite happens, would you like supporting data?

Go ahead, I bet I can find data turned to show the exact opposite so don't even waste your time.

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Do you not have a heart? do you not get bad feelings when you take advantage of somebody?

Taking advantage of somebody? You mean like taking their money to pay for handouts? You mean making people pay their own way and the way of others? There's plenty of people being taken advantage of but people like you try to justify it by pushing some kind of contrived guilt.

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...Greed!

Couldn't agree more. 'Spread the wealth around' 'Subsidies for this and that' 'tax the wealthy (and middle class) and corporations to fund freebies'

You're damn right it's greed. Greed by people who won't fend for themselves and expect the government to play Robin Hood.

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If you think your little BS that gets sent in matters, you're delluded.

I bet the IRS will show up if I decide my little percentage doesn't matter enough to pay. Who are you to tell me money taken out of my paycheck doesn't matter?

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The bottom 50% of all taxpayers pays

Really? The income taxes owed on 100k would be over $20,000. Would you mind contributing $20K to my jump fund since it really isn't that much?

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so a tax increase doesn't affect you, just the people who have been grossly undertaxed for 30 years or more.

Ok... so 50% pay less than 4% and, according to you, everyone earning less than 100k don't contribute anything meaninful... but.... the earners over 100k are the under-taxed?

What kind of backwards ass logic is that? What exactly is your definition of properly taxed if the people being taxed the most are undertaxed?

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YaLaugh

You are full of the "truth"

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You are proud to be selfish, greedy, and careless, you also find it amusing.

It is people like yourself that bring our society to a point where nobody can be bothered careing anymore.

We could do with less negativity and more positivity.

The glass can be seen as half emty or half full.

I'm a half full kind of guy.

You can think and do as you please but don't be so upset when nobody gives a shit about you in a time of need.

I suppose nothing drastic could ever happen to you right? that stuff happens to other people, but never you!

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Taking advantage of somebody? You mean like taking their money to pay for handouts? You mean making people pay their own way and the way of others? There's plenty of people being taken advantage of but people like you try to justify it by pushing some kind of contrived guilt.

I mean looking after your countrymen so they can look after you. If you all pay so much tax and you unemployment is so low, why do you have such a deficit?

because of war and private corporations soaking up profit.

Seriously you have 300 million people and less the 10 % unemployment, you should have trillions coming in each year, do the maths.

You spend it all on war so that a small few can reap the profit.

it is stupid, unethical, uneconomical, and you are all suffering for it.

If you pay taxs and don't see anything for it, you should try to ensure the greedy cunts raping your recources are paying, I bet you bottom dollar they are not paying thier share due to tax breaks...

That is republican policies for ya, rape the poor to feed the rich!

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If you all pay so much tax and you unemployment is so low, why do you have such a deficit?

Thats simple! My govt spending more than it takes in.

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This is one of the most wrong statements I have ever seen. having a military does not make the country socialist.

You are right, if it was pay for by private corporations, then it would be capitalist, if it is payed for by taxes, it is in fact socialist.

i guess you are kind of correct as the corporations dictate what heppens with the military, but the ownership is held by the people.

it is quite sick really.

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The other part o the equation that you are missing is the population of NZ and AUS. Your not trying to cover nearly as many people with your health care.

we also don't have 300 million people to pay for it.

The more you have investing the more you have to spend,

We have 4 million paying for 4 million, you have 300 million paying for 300 million, it is all relative.

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Also, as you have stated, your country has something to export, therefor are able to levy taxes from all.

you could too but you decide it is easier to get third world countries do it for ya, then you go and kill some civillians, steal thier recources and live for another devade or two, just to start all over again, there is nothing stopping america from producing goods, you have very low minimum wage, plenty of recources and alot of population.

you write you own future, it is a shame you are all so short sighted!

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America hasn't forced anyone to trade in dollars. It's just convenient since everyone wants to trade in America. Having one of the most open and capitalist based markets, it's where everyone wanted to go because we had to smallest tariffs and the least amount of corruption (for a while anyway) of any other market. You want to trade in America, you trade in American dollars. When NZ becomes the economic center of the Universe, we will all trade in NZ$.

not likely, we don't like to be the centre of attention, what is more likely to happen, is the stock market will crash another time (or two) and the world will lose faith in the USA, then the euro will become the standard.

It is already the most stable currency and even the pound has lost it's ground against it.

Once the pound is merged into the euro (not so far away), then the inevitable will become closer.

I'll pick this to happen within the next 10 years.

America will be doomed at that point. If you don't start educating your people, and learn to do more than one task per person, you will not adapt fast enough to survive in the state you are at present.

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You are lucky that a flood of illegal immigrants haven't ruined your farms and other industries yet.

Like america, New Zealand was built by illeal immigrants. Both countries have only been around for a few hundred years/a handful of generations.

Sustainability is the key, sharing and caring for one another allows the circle to continue to flow, if you keep taking and taking you will eventually run out.

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You've pretty much made my point for me. Yes we have the super rich, and they are the ones who have to start the new industries in the US. Yes, all we export is crappy cars. With that said, who are we going to tax to pay for health care? The super rich? If the US doesn't have some kind of industry to replenish the coffers, even they will run out of money after a while, or leave the country. California right now is the perfect example.

as i said above 300 million people, and 10% unemployment.

I can't work out the retirement and children without reserach but it is safe to say you should have trillions up you sleeves each year to play with, Invest it correctly and you will have to pay less and less every year.

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Every country is different. Just because it may work in NZ, AUS, Switzerland, and a few others doesn't mean it will work in the US. Our circumstances are different. Huge commitments over seas and no industry are a bad combination.

You placed yourselves in the position as world police, You may have done well out of it, for a few decades but it is going to continue to be a burden on your economy until you learn something about being economical, if you had all been driving small 4 cylenders instead of large 8 cylenders you could have used the same oil you used in the last 10 years, for at least 30 years.

I can't belive how nieve you guys are, bigger is better my ass?

You're paying for it now and capitalism is to blame, not the answer.

Your loss!



I'm about to board a plane back to NZ, my private health care will expire, about half way there.

Once i am there I will have about $30 more each week to spend at corner stores and small businesses. I may pay $10 or so in tax out of that $30 as i purchase any goods but it goes through our economy, rather than in some rich cunts bank acount.

How much of your money has gone to swiss bank accounts of filthy rich assholes?

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I mean looking after your countrymen so they can look after you.

So they can look after you? How do you mean? The people who are soaking up the government handouts are going to repay them later? Or are you saying we should just provide government programs so they can eventually help me? Kinda greedy and selfish...

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If you all pay so much tax and you unemployment is so low, why do you have such a deficit?

Spending. That... and 40% of Americans don't pay income tax at all so the unemployment level is irrelevant. The progressive tax system is pushed so far up the chain that the amount being squeeezed from the country's top earners is reaching a limit.

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because of war and private corporations soaking up profit.

Spending is spending. If you don't have the money then you don't have the money.

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Seriously you have 300 million people and less the 10 % unemployment, you should have trillions coming in each year, do the maths.

Unemployment doesn't have much to do with it since, again, 40% don't pay income taxes.

The 'maths' after that is pretty simple. (spending > income) = deficit. The location of the spending doesn't effect the outcome of deficit.

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You spend it all on war so that a small few can reap the profit.

All of it? Really? Hmm. The total cost of both wars is roughly equal to the emergency stimulus pushed through earlier this year. Again, it doesn't matter where the money is spent. Deficit is still the result.

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it is stupid, unethical, uneconomical, and you are all suffering for it.

So the economic meltdown was the result of the wars in the middle east?

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If you pay taxs and don't see anything for it, you should try to ensure the greedy cunts raping your recources are paying,

If I pay my taxes and don't see anything from it then the 'greedy cunts' to blame are the ones in government signing the budget.

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I bet you bottom dollar they are not paying thier share due to tax breaks...

I assume you mean corporations...

What do you consider their proper share? The federal corporate tax rate in the US is roughly 35%, making it one of the highest in the world.

Tax breaks are for people who pay taxes. People in this country who don't even pay income tax can get a tax refund. How is that 'paying their share?'

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That is republican policies for ya, rape the poor to feed the rich!

The tax rates and budgets in this country are not republican policies. They're government policies.

Spending, which you seem to hate so much, has reached unprecedented levels in President Obama's first year. Those are democrat policies. Does it matter? No. Deficit is deficit. Being pissed at corporations (the ones footing the majority of the bill, BTW) doesn't do any good. Jacking up the taxes just pushes them overseas to countries like yours who will give them a tax break. irony...

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we also don't have 300 million people to pay for it.

The more you have investing the more you have to spend,

We have 4 million paying for 4 million, you have 300 million paying for 300 million, it is all relative.

Ok, i think you need to spend some time reading before you go lashing out at a country you clearly don't understand. It's not your fault you don't know the American tax system, but maybe you should try a little harder before making claims like this.

Reading the rest of the post is a waste of time since it's based on false information like this.

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So the economic meltdown was the result of the wars in the middle east?

No, it was caused by the greed of capitalism, and the false monry your country keeps printing.

treasury bonds and US$ are fcticious in value, it is all number crunching gone wrong and many people hd to lose in order for the system to carry on.

When you good guys removed the gold standard, becoming rich was just a number tweaking game, it is a bad habit but who in thier right minds would chnge now eh?

Much of the debt you owe is to yourselves? go figure.

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No, it was caused by the greed of capitalism, and the false monry your country keeps printing.

Yep, too much money being printed. It's being printed to pay for more government programs that we can't afford. Government money printing and capitalism are (or should be) two seperate things.

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treasury bonds and US$ are fcticious in value, it is all number crunching gone wrong and many people hd to lose in order for the system to carry on.

The system will carry on and people will again make money. I started investing after the market crash and have done pretty well thus far. Some people win and some people lose in a capitalist society. If people are breaking the law then they should be put in jail.

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When you good guys removed the gold standard, becoming rich was just a number tweaking game, it is a bad habit but who in thier right minds would chnge now eh?

Some things are already changing. Other things will change in the future. The system will change and adapt.

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Much of the debt you owe is to yourselves? go figure.

We owe debt to ourselves? How so?

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