georgerussia 0 #101 October 8, 2009 Quote NO, it IS true. Military spending and size ARE in the government scope and will be adjusted as needed. Health care is NOT! Big difference that you want to ignore That's just your personal opinion, which is not supported by facts. And I see no reason to argue with your personal opinions as long as you do not push it through like "a right thing" - and then I like to see evidence that what you're saying is true. Quote NO IDEA WHY? For christs sake man have you read anything I have posted??? You posted a few things which were not consistent with other things you said. Quote Oh sorry, please excuse me for not monitoring your every post 24x7. So could you please just post a link to your post which contains realistic suggestions how should we fix current issues with healthcare? So where it is? You said it three times you wrote it. Quote You dont care to think about what I am saying here so so be it. You want gov controled health care I dont. The end Nice excuse. Quote And gov controled health care is NOT good for the country I don't think you are in position to decide for the whole country.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #102 October 8, 2009 Quote There's a reason the approval rating of the GOP is half the approval rating of the democrats. People don't like either one, but at least one is trying to do something other than obstruct, distort and delay. let me ask you a simple question then bill. really simple. shouldn't require much explanation on either part. would you rather that your elected representatives A:held up legislation so that they could know what it said and understand it's content, or that they B:vote based on the last version that they read while hoping that the last minute changes made in the previous 24hours didn't have anything that would make them change their minds?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #103 October 8, 2009 I don't think you are in position to decide for the whole country. I guess you must think and those you agree with are then. Aaaaaalllllllllllrrrrrriiiigggghhhtttttyyyyyy then"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #104 October 8, 2009 Quote So if they don't look at it they are lazy and it's a terrible idea to vote on it. If they do look at it - and make changes - it's a terrible idea to vote on it. Nice attempt at a twist. It's good for everyone to read the bill (not just the few making the changes). It's a good idea to allow the public to view the final draft of a bill before voting on it - if the final draft hasn't even been printed, then there's a good chance the public hasn't had a chance to read it. Quote I can just hear it now. "Hey, they say that they're going to give everyone a month to read it! If you need a month to read it, it's a terrible, complex law, and it should NEVER be enacted." Probably true. That month would probably be a pretty good time to determine that. It's certainly better than the alternative. Quote There's a reason the approval rating of the GOP is half the approval rating of the democrats. People don't like either one, but at least one is trying to do something other than obstruct, distort and delay. Congress' approval rating (according to Gallup) is at 21% overall, with democrats not much higher. Not much to brag about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #105 October 9, 2009 >would you rather that your elected representatives >A:held up legislation so that they could know what it said and understand >it's content, >B:vote based on the last version that they read while hoping that the last >minute changes made in the previous 24hours didn't have anything that >would make them change their minds? Neither. I would not like legislation held up forever. I would like it to be proposed, revised, re-examined and voted on. Let me ask you a question, then. Let's say a republican president and congress was in power, and they proposed a tax cut. The democrats kept proposing changes then saying "you can't possibly have read it! We just changed it!" whenever it came up for a vote. How long would you be willing to wait for that cycle to complete? Six months? A year? Five years? Would you see the democrats as the heroes of the day, standing firmly against the evil republicans trying to ram through potentially unknown legislation - or would you see them as obstructionist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #106 October 9, 2009 Quote Congress' approval rating (according to Gallup) is at 21% overall, with democrats not much higher. Not much to brag about. If the Dems are higher, where does that put the GOP?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #107 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote Congress' approval rating (according to Gallup) is at 21% overall, with democrats not much higher. Not much to brag about. If the Dems are higher, where does that put the GOP? Does that really matter? Congress has a shitty approval rating because people are tired of watching them fight like a couple of sorority sisters (although I might watch that). It's funny you're putting your nose in the air over the dems being just a tad higher, but still overwhelmingly disliked. It's like being proud cause your dog shits on the floor a little less than the neighbor's dog. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #108 October 9, 2009 >Congress' approval rating (according to Gallup) is at 21% overall, with >democrats not much higher. Not much to brag about. Agreed. Both sides are doing a lousy job. Some details from Research 2000: Congressional dems approval 39% disapproval 55% Congressional repubs approval 18% disapproval 69% Neither side has much to brag about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #109 October 9, 2009 I'm kinda nervous we're agreeing so much lately. Armageddon? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #110 October 9, 2009 Quote Isn't that the point? Who really knows if the bill is different by one page or a hundred? Do you not find that concerning? Why should I find it concerning? It's the legislator's JOB is to read papers, and we pay them to do exactly that.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #111 October 9, 2009 Quote that is the damned point dude!!!! They do not want you to know what is in it until after the vote!!! Well, THEY do - the bill is also posted, I just didn't have time to read it. I'll do it on my flight back to US. Quote IF they would allow debate then posting for 5 days is not as big an issue. There also was a rule in the house that stated the final bill will be printed and (in something) BEFORE debate was even allowed. The bill the house debated was placed there at 1 am the morning of the debate. You didn't answer my question: how many bills previous administration posted online five days before they were voted on? This is important to understand whether we're talking about progress or regress.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #112 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote that is the damned point dude!!!! They do not want you to know what is in it until after the vote!!! Well, THEY do - the bill is also posted, I just didn't have time to read it. I'll do it on my flight back to US. Quote IF they would allow debate then posting for 5 days is not as big an issue. There also was a rule in the house that stated the final bill will be printed and (in something) BEFORE debate was even allowed. The bill the house debated was placed there at 1 am the morning of the debate. You didn't answer my question: how many bills previous administration posted online five days before they were voted on? This is important to understand whether we're talking about progress or regress. None that I know of but what the hell has that got to do with Obamas promise to start doing it! IT IS a good idea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #113 October 9, 2009 Quote None that I know of Quote Good, so we're talking about progress, not regress. Quote but what the hell has that got to do with Obamas promise to start doing it! IT IS a good idea If you trust everything a politician promises, you must be really naive. And if you don't (which I assume), then your point is kinda weak.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #114 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote None that I know of Quote Good, so we're talking about progress, not regress. Quote but what the hell has that got to do with Obamas promise to start doing it! IT IS a good idea If you trust everything a politician promises, you must be really naive. And if you don't (which I assume), then your point is kinda weak. Dude, you twist and squirm with the best of them. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #115 October 9, 2009 Quote>would you rather that your elected representatives >A:held up legislation so that they could know what it said and understand >it's content, >B:vote based on the last version that they read while hoping that the last >minute changes made in the previous 24hours didn't have anything that >would make them change their minds? Neither. I would not like legislation held up forever. I would like it to be proposed, revised, re-examined and voted on. Let me ask you a question, then. Let's say a republican president and congress was in power, and they proposed a tax cut. The democrats kept proposing changes then saying "you can't possibly have read it! We just changed it!" whenever it came up for a vote. How long would you be willing to wait for that cycle to complete? Six months? A year? Five years? Would you see the democrats as the heroes of the day, standing firmly against the evil republicans trying to ram through potentially unknown legislation - or would you see them as obstructionist? nice dodge of the question btw: that situation is why we need line-item veto. also, you ASSume that I'm a republican apologist. (FAIL!!) I don't need a tax cut. Actually I'd rather have the fairtax plan which would result in me paying more taxes every year actually. And I don't want crap rammed through the process to make laws. Look at what happened 8 years ago with the Patriot Act .... "if you don't pass this legislation.... the terrorists win..." what a load of crap. Laws that take away rights deserve to be held up forever.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rushmc 23 #114 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote None that I know of Quote Good, so we're talking about progress, not regress. Quote but what the hell has that got to do with Obamas promise to start doing it! IT IS a good idea If you trust everything a politician promises, you must be really naive. And if you don't (which I assume), then your point is kinda weak. Dude, you twist and squirm with the best of them. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #115 October 9, 2009 Quote>would you rather that your elected representatives >A:held up legislation so that they could know what it said and understand >it's content, >B:vote based on the last version that they read while hoping that the last >minute changes made in the previous 24hours didn't have anything that >would make them change their minds? Neither. I would not like legislation held up forever. I would like it to be proposed, revised, re-examined and voted on. Let me ask you a question, then. Let's say a republican president and congress was in power, and they proposed a tax cut. The democrats kept proposing changes then saying "you can't possibly have read it! We just changed it!" whenever it came up for a vote. How long would you be willing to wait for that cycle to complete? Six months? A year? Five years? Would you see the democrats as the heroes of the day, standing firmly against the evil republicans trying to ram through potentially unknown legislation - or would you see them as obstructionist? nice dodge of the question btw: that situation is why we need line-item veto. also, you ASSume that I'm a republican apologist. (FAIL!!) I don't need a tax cut. Actually I'd rather have the fairtax plan which would result in me paying more taxes every year actually. And I don't want crap rammed through the process to make laws. Look at what happened 8 years ago with the Patriot Act .... "if you don't pass this legislation.... the terrorists win..." what a load of crap. Laws that take away rights deserve to be held up forever.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
