Senator Barney Frank Pushes for 10 Trillion Dollar Budget for NASA

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Ok, so what does and does not constitute a prejudiced joke and separates it from say, legitimate satire? I'll admit, it's a tough question and a bit of a fine line.

I think the basic thing to think about would be context and intent. For it to be satire, the author has to assume the facts and events he's trying to be satirical about are reasonably well known.

Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay, but is that really a subject in an of itself that you can make a joke about and NOT be perceived as simply prejudiced? I don't think so.

What about the Fannie May stuff? Well, perhaps, but my guess is most people don't know about that at all and in context of NASA it doesn't make any real sense whatsoever. It's just a lame attempt to get the hack "Uranus" bit in there which is clearly a lame gay joke in the best of times.

If anything, Frank is pushing for LESS NASA funding and has been doing so for quite some time. Of course, I don't expect folks to know that either, but in light of Warped's "joke" the only thing I can take away from it is he clearly doesn't know that and well, it's just an attack based on Frank being gay.

So yeah, I think it is prejudiced.

You can have a different opinion if you want. That's cool.

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[billvon 3,116]

>The type of comments claiming bigotry and like stem from the world of
>political correctness.

In a 100% politically correct world we wouldn't be talking about bigotry or racism; they wouldn't exist. Unfortunately, those things still exist - and pretending they don't is the best way to ensure they exist forever.

>Which, as I have stated before on this site, is one of the most
>underhanded attampt at curtailment of the 1st amendment.

Yet you want to restrict the freedom of someone else to say something is bigoted.

People have the right to say what they want, even if it's racist or bigoted. Other people have the right to call them on it. Can't only have "your kind" of freedom.

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Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay …

Count me in the not so reasonably informed group. I didn't know he was gay. Maybe I read about it before, but because I consider sexual preference to be about as important as eye color, I don't remember, because I just didn't care. C'est la vie.

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>The type of comments claiming bigotry and like stem from the world of
>political correctness.

In a 100% politically correct world we wouldn't be talking about bigotry or racism; they wouldn't exist. Unfortunately, those things still exist - and pretending they don't is the best way to ensure they exist forever.

>Which, as I have stated before on this site, is one of the most
>underhanded attampt at curtailment of the 1st amendment.

Yet you want to restrict the freedom of someone else to say something is bigoted.

People have the right to say what they want, even if it's racist or bigoted. Other people have the right to call them on it. Can't only have "your kind" of freedom.

I see your point but you yet again twist my meaning. I have little on this site I would consider racists or bigoted. Yet YOU continually call or insinuate that people are.

So, No, I am not saying you should shut up instead of calling someone trully racists or bigotted one or the other. But, as is mostly done on this site, is used to place names and limit debate. I dont believe you and many others fully believe someone is a racists or bigoted as ofter as you call him or her that IMO.



Also, using politcally correct in context you use here is insane. To continue to talk about things does help get past issues and move on.

Nice try though

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

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Ok, so what does and does not constitute a prejudiced joke and separates it from say, legitimate satire? I'll admit, it's a tough question and a bit of a fine line.

I think the basic thing to think about would be context and intent. For it to be satire, the author has to assume the facts and events he's trying to be satirical about are reasonably well known.

Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay, but is that really a subject in an of itself that you can make a joke about and NOT be perceived as simply prejudiced? I don't think so.

What about the Fannie May stuff? Well, perhaps, but my guess is most people don't know about that at all and in context of NASA it doesn't make any real sense whatsoever. It's just a lame attempt to get the hack "Uranus" bit in there which is clearly a lame gay joke in the best of times.

If anything, Frank is pushing for LESS NASA funding and has been doing so for quite some time. Of course, I don't expect folks to know that either, but in light of Warped's "joke" the only thing I can take away from it is he clearly doesn't know that and well, it's just an attack based on Frank being gay.

So yeah, I think it is prejudiced.

You can have a different opinion if you want. That's cool.

As I said, bad taste? For me yes probably. but to take it to the level of homophobe or bigot or racist is a PC attempt to shut someone up.

I know Frank is gay. I could care less. I know he is black too. Again, I dont really care if he is green orange or blue either.

But he does sit on the commitee that writes tax law. He should have been kicked off of that when his tax creationism was discovered but that is just me.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>Yet YOU continually call or insinuate that people are.

Sadly I have seen that people here are indeed bigoted. After 9/11, the number of references to 'sand niggers' or 'towelheads' was remarkable, as was the attitude that muslims were all murderous fanatics. Keep in mind that you do not see some of the worst posts, because they get deleted per Willem's rules.

Fortunately those people are in the minority. (Also note that I don't think Randall made his post with bigotry on his mind; it was probably just a combination of a very bad joke and a lack of forethought.)

>But, as is mostly done on this site, is used to place names and limit debate.

I agree. It is odd coming from you, though; 99% of your posts seem to be attempts to belittle others, limit debate or make people angry.

>Also, using politcally correct in context you use here is insane.

Uh, you were the one who used it in that context. And while I often disagree with you, I don't really think you're insane . . .

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>Yet YOU continually call or insinuate that people are.

Sadly I have seen that people here are indeed bigoted. After 9/11, the number of references to 'sand niggers' or 'towelheads' was remarkable, as was the attitude that muslims were all murderous fanatics. Keep in mind that you do not see some of the worst posts, because they get deleted per Willem's rules.

Fortunately those people are in the minority. (Also note that I don't think Randall made his post with bigotry on his mind; it was probably just a combination of a very bad joke and a lack of forethought.)

>But, as is mostly done on this site, is used to place names and limit debate.

I agree. It is odd coming from you, though; 99% of your posts seem to be attempts to belittle others, limit debate or make people angry.

>Also, using politcally correct in context you use here is insane.

Uh, you were the one who used it in that context. And while I often disagree with you, I don't really think you're insane . . .

No, my context is not what you said but in any event.

You will also notice that replies of the type you refer to are when those to whom I reply are talking down their noses at me or somebody else.

Like to like so to speak.......


Perfect example is the subject line of a recent thread speaking about idiots. HE is the one that set the tone for that thread , (and for the most part I now avoid religous topic threads as there is no point to agrue from either side)

How is someone, who believes the side he belittles, to respond?

Anyway, I see your points

marc

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I know Frank is gay. I could care less. I know he is black too.

See, now THERE is something I didn't know.
I mean, damn, that's what I would calling some passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

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Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay …

Count me in the not so reasonably informed group. I didn't know he was gay. Maybe I read about it before, but because I consider sexual preference to be about as important as eye color, I don't remember, because I just didn't care. C'est la vie.

that would be two of us

and seriously, the planet Uranus has been used as the butt of jokes for about forever.....

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I know Frank is gay. I could care less. I know he is black too.

See, now THERE is something I didn't know.
I mean, damn, that's what I would calling some passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

Opps, was I thinking of Rangle??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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99% of your posts seem to be attempts to belittle others, limit debate or make people angry.

wow, just wow - Marc is politically opinionated, but it seems that the balance sheet on what he gets vs what he serves up is hugely tilted. If he gave what he got in proportion to just 1 of his personal detractors here (there's about 8), he'd be in Amazon's league. Hell Bill, it's clear you've been trying lately to be balanced on all topics, but when it comes to Rushmc's posts you don't even try

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Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay …

Count me in the not so reasonably informed group. I didn't know he was gay. Maybe I read about it before, but because I consider sexual preference to be about as important as eye color, I don't remember, because I just didn't care. C'est la vie.

that would be two of us
and seriously, the planet Uranus has been used as the butt of jokes for about forever.....

Ok, you two are no longer invited to the Political Junkies and Wonks Club. Turn in your cards.

Really? How can people not know this? He's been the focus of tasteless gay jokes in Congress for years. He's one of the only openly gay Congress members out there.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I don't think Randall made his post with bigotry on his mind; it was probably just a combination of a very bad joke and a lack of forethought.)

...and an abundance of backthought.

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And here I thought the included irony that Frank would be all the sudden in favor of NASA if it included exploring Uranus would at least get a chuckle from you.

If a comedian said it you might be will to pay them to hear the same joke.

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And here I thought the included irony that Frank would be all the sudden in favor of NASA if it included exploring Uranus would at least get a chuckle from you.
If a comedian said it you might be will to pay them to hear the same joke.

I don't think you know as much about me as you seem to be assuming.

I am extraordinarily rough on comedians that use hack material. Any use of a "uranus" joke is hack by any comedy standards. I doubt most people got past 6th grade without hearing it used. While it might get a chuckle around the dz bonfire by some drunks, it's not comedy and simply wouldn't fly with any comedian that's trying to be taken seriously. No; that's not a contradiction.

About the only time it possibly can work is if the comedian is making fun of other hack comedians that use it.

But, maybe I'm assuming something . . . lemme ask you, when was the last time you got up on stage for an open mic night and what was the reaction when you used a "uranus" joke?

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[rehmwa 2]

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Ok, you two are no longer invited to the Political Junkies and Wonks Club. Turn in your cards.

Really? How can people not know this?

I dunno - we don't care?

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[Misternatural 0]

The problem is even though you made an effort to exaggerate the astronomical sum and made the whole post as ridiculous as possible....given what Washington has provided over the decades?........parts of it still sounded plausible!

Do the Democrats like Frank tend to go a little wild with the spending...yes
does it look like we are getting to be more socialist....yes
why do I say this?...I live in sen.Bernie Sanders land.

BUT- I think it has been established here that we are governed by a system which consists of a conglomeration of theoretical governmental philosophies and ideals, a mixture of democracy, republicanism, socialism....no one system can govern such a huge and complicated infrastructure.

If you think about it relatively speaking, it's working very well, because on a scale ranging between complete satisfaction of all of the demographics and absolute anarchy, mayhem, and destruction, we are pretty stable as a nation and closer to the satisfaction end of the scale.

in other words things are really not so bad considering what a massive population is being supported in such a relatively cushy environment. is this sustainable indefinitely....HELL NO- but for now life here is pretty damn good for the majority so just remember that when you go to the supermarket.

Even the dissidents have it pretty good here.

see I feel better already and I did not have to shoot at anything today.

plus I just found out i got a nice rebate on my property taxes.....

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Ok, so what does and does not constitute a prejudiced joke and separates it from say, legitimate satire? I'll admit, it's a tough question and a bit of a fine line.

I think the basic thing to think about would be context and intent. For it to be satire, the author has to assume the facts and events he's trying to be satirical about are reasonably well known.

Ok, so reasonably informed people know Barney Frank is gay, but is that really a subject in an of itself that you can make a joke about and NOT be perceived as simply prejudiced? I don't think so.

What about the Fannie May stuff? Well, perhaps, but my guess is most people don't know about that at all and in context of NASA it doesn't make any real sense whatsoever. It's just a lame attempt to get the hack "Uranus" bit in there which is clearly a lame gay joke in the best of times.

If anything, Frank is pushing for LESS NASA funding and has been doing so for quite some time. Of course, I don't expect folks to know that either, but in light of Warped's "joke" the only thing I can take away from it is he clearly doesn't know that and well, it's just an attack based on Frank being gay.

So yeah, I think it is prejudiced.

You can have a different opinion if you want. That's cool.

Are you going to make the same pronouncement in all the threads about Larry Craig or Mark Foley, or is your outrage only reserved for jokes about Democrats?

Mike
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99% of your posts seem to be attempts to belittle others, limit debate or make people angry.

wow, just wow - Marc is politically opinionated, but it seems that the balance sheet on what he gets vs what he serves up is hugely tilted. If he gave what he got in proportion to just 1 of his personal detractors here (there's about 8), he'd be in Amazon's league. Hell Bill, it's clear you've been trying lately to be balanced on all topics, but when it comes to Rushmc's posts you don't even try

Attention K-Mart shoppers, isn’t it really time to find someone new to hate on, since you are so adept at it.

I moved on and don't post here anymore....I decided to go outside and interact with the other three dimensional people. It is just no fun teasing the 20 percenter 1/4 wits around here who, even though blithereing such staunch support of the party of personal responsibility ( I guess all the responsibility they expect of others, just eludes them personally) , wish to continually blame others for their, myriad of shortcomings, physically, personally, professionally, and intellectually.

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Attention K-Mart shoppers, isn’t it really time to find someone new to hate on, since you are so adept at it.

Well, since Ted Kennedy died, they just don't know what to do with themselves. Or, maybe, just like with Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Barack and Michelle Obama, they're intimidated by brilliant, accomplished people with stellar Ivy League educations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank#Early_life

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Frank was educated at Harvard College, where he resided in Kirkland House and then Winthrop House, graduating in 1962. Frank's undergraduate studies were interrupted by the death of his father, and Frank took a year off to help resolve the family's affairs prior to his graduation.[10] He taught undergraduates at Harvard while studying for a Ph.D., but left in 1968 before completing the degree, to become Boston mayor Kevin White's Chief Assistant, a position he held for three years. He then served for a year as Administrative Assistant to Congressman Michael J. Harrington. Frank later graduated from Harvard Law School, in 1977, while serving as Massachusetts State Representative.