kbordson 8
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome belief that they deserve "free" health care as a "right.".
this would be better phrased 'some believe that all citizens should have healthcare even the poorest and the sickest'
No. I think I worded my thoughts correctly. But you can word yours how you see it and THATS OK.
See. That is EXACTLY my point.
my words are more honest - if that is your point
There are none so blind than those that refuse to see.
i already have a national health service - and it has served me and my family well - as well as the poorest and the sickest.
So why do you get all hot and bothered about a country that isn't yours? Why try to impose your beliefs on a completely different population? Why are you trying to be Big Brother and tell the U.S. what to do? We kicked you out of our lives once.... don't be surprised if we don't want to come back.
a good idea is a good idea. for instance we only introduced a minimum wage here about ten years ago - but you'd thought of the idea long before that
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So why do you get all hot and bothered about a country that isn't yours? Why try to impose your beliefs on a completely different population? Why are you trying to be Big Brother and tell the U.S. what to do? We kicked you out of our lives once.... don't be surprised if we don't want to come back.
What??? What about you US guys telling the rest of the world has to be armed from teeth to tooth? What about the US guys sticking thier noses in nearly every corner of the world "to clean up the mess" (or simply are increasing it) ??? The Big Brother is WHO (or at least thinks it is
)???
Your post is just too funny. dudeist skydiver # 3105
skybytch 273
QuoteWhen there's a sharp conflict in beliefs, then one camp usually views the others as "fools"... when, in reality, it's just a difference of views.
Neither side is "wrong" and both are valid... but they are in conflict.
I dunno, I chose the word fool partly because it's harsh. If we don't question what we are told, regardless of who is saying it or whether they are saying something that we think we agree or disagree with, we are fools.
I'd like to think that the reason the arguments being made on both sides are so flawed is because those making them didn't pay attention in their college composition classes. That fits better into my Pollyanna fantasy world view than does the idea that these arguments are flawed on purpose - using whatever means necessary to play on the hopes and fears of the population (death, taxes, government interference, lack of medical care) and the core beliefs of the society (freedom, democracy, charity, the superiority of capitalism over communism) to sway those who can't or won't think for themselves.
If only we could be presented candidates who are able to compromise, argue logically and show respect for those who don't share their opinions... Nah, wouldn't work, someone like that would never get elected.
QuoteQuoteSome belief that they deserve "free" health care as a "right.".
this would be better phrased 'some believe that all citizens should have healthcare even the poorest and the sickest'
Your thought would be better phrased: "fuck you if you have shown any personal responsibility. How dare your fucking ass earn something that others should have handed to them. The more irresponsible a person is the more commendation they deserve.
&And doctors - watch your asses. We'll make sure you don't get shit for simply cruising through life - you will not only be taxed for everyone else, but we'll pay you what we want to pay you. Nonworkers of all lands, unite!"
My wife is hotter than your wife.
You don't know what you are talking about, Doctor. You are the problem. If it wasn't for doctors we would have zero troubles with doctors charging too much, doctors practicing defensive medicine, or doctors causing iatrogenic pathology.
Lawyers and politicians know how this system should be run. How it was intended to run. If there is a problem, legislation is the cure.
Shoot, we can simply pass a law banning shouldert dystocia. But the AMA opposed it, leading to unnecessary Erb's palsy and excessive health care costs.
Quit causing Erb's palsy. Quit causing placenta previa (another law I've got on my mind.)
In fact, while you are at it, quit detecting treatable conditions. If you would quit finding omphaloceles then we wouldn't have to treat them.
Quit being part of the problem, doctor. And quit treating them. Health care will be much more affordable.
p.s. I am concerned thàt your patient load involves mainly women under 50. I would expect in this day and age of new enlightenment and understanding that you would allow more elderly, males and transgendered to be your patients.
Thus, we will require you to provide inexpensive obstetrical care to anyone who seeks it, or we will have your license suspended. Furthermore, you will not be compensated for any visit that we feel was not reaonably necessary.
An 80 year old man has as much right to an AFP screening as a 23 year old woman, and you must provide that service. However, if such is deemed to be unwarranted, you will not only not be paid, but will be fined for wasting resources.
Understand? Doctors are now nurses. We will prescribe standard procedures from which you may only deviate with an appropriate endorsement from the "best practices committee" staffed by a cadre of lawyers, economists, and private citizens.
Strict compliane with best practices is a requirement for your getting paid, unless it is determined that you services were medically unnecessary.
Be glad you are not an emergency physician. We will only compensate them for true medical emergencies. No longer will we allow them to get government money for assessing and treating a Puerto Rican with a cold. However, they will be fined for not treating any person who shows up.
If you have any ideas on how to get back at pediatricians, let us know.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Lawyers and politicians know how this system should be run. How it was intended to run. If there is a problem, legislation is the cure.
Shoot, we can simply pass a law banning shouldert dystocia. But the AMA opposed it, leading to unnecessary Erb's palsy and excessive health care costs.
Quit causing Erb's palsy. Quit causing placenta previa (another law I've got on my mind.)
In fact, while you are at it, quit detecting treatable conditions. If you would quit finding omphaloceles then we wouldn't have to treat them.
Quit being part of the problem, doctor. And quit treating them. Health care will be much more affordable.
p.s. I am concerned thàt your patient load involves mainly women under 50. I would expect in this day and age of new enlightenment and understanding that you would allow more elderly, males and transgendered to be your patients.
Thus, we will require you to provide inexpensive obstetrical care to anyone who seeks it, or we will have your license suspended. Furthermore, you will not be compensated for any visit that we feel was not reaonably necessary.
An 80 year old man has as much right to an AFP screening as a 23 year old woman, and you must provide that service. However, if such is deemed to be unwarranted, you will not only not be paid, but will be fined for wasting resources.
Understand? Doctors are now nurses. We will prescribe standard procedures from which you may only deviate with an appropriate endorsement from the "best practices committee" staffed by a cadre of lawyers, economists, and private citizens.
Strict compliane with best practices is a requirement for your getting paid, unless it is determined that you services were medically unnecessary.
Be glad you are not an emergency physician. We will only compensate them for true medical emergencies. No longer will we allow them to get government money for assessing and treating a Puerto Rican with a cold. However, they will be fined for not treating any person who shows up.
If you have any ideas on how to get back at pediatricians, let us know.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
riddler 0
QuoteHeh, the authors of the OP's linked story pretty much made it up.
There's always going to be the issue of questioning the source of data, and no, none of it is going to be perfect. So you have to look at who did it, where their funding came from, and what the range of data is.
On one hand, you have a consortium of three different, respected universities, sharing information and concluding results. It's unlikely there is a profit motive in making the statement that so many people die every year from a lack of health insurance, and it's unlikely that one private source contributed money to fund this study. Also, we're talking about a 10-year period, with massive numbers of people, with a wide statistical range, tempered by normalization factors help show a pretty clear and definite pattern (just my opinion).
On the other hand, there is one guy, who doesn't appear to be a doctor at all, reading the study and concluding that it's false because ... why exactly? I didn't see any actual statistics to back his claims. He just stated "that kind of stuff is junk science" - I guess we should trust him because he knows about that kind of stuff. Another guy said "we need a more careful study". But where is he providing any single datum to back up his belief? And who exactly funds the site junk science?
As far as appeals to authority go, I'm gonna side with the people that provide data, not the people that question it with no data of their own.
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kbordson 8
QuoteIf you have any ideas on how to get back at pediatricians, let us know.
Counselor, you are a wise man.
As far as the peds - THEY cause disease! Have you ever seen a pediatrics clinic?! All those mobile petri dishes! Leaking all over the place! No biohazard labels on those lil infectious sources! Transmitting bacterial and viral agents. It's the fault of the pediatric clinics that there is so much infectious disease in this country!
AND... Pediatrics practices HORRIBLE age discrimination. Try going to your local peds guy when you're 45! That should be illegal. They shouldn't be able to refuse treatment to you just because you're older!!!
- and christelsabine - The U.S. shouldn't do it either. I've been rather consistent with that opinion.
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And about 26% I beleive w/o looking it up, are insured thru MEdicare/Medicaid. What % are insured theru their employer with such horrible insurance that they pay $500 off the top for a family of 4 in premium copay and then deductibles on top of that.
Sounds fine to me.
I had a nice 100% coverage, no-deductible policy. It cost my employer $1000 a month to cover my wife and I where a $500 per person deductible policy would be in the $700 range and high deductible closer to $600. You'd be best off with a high deductible plan to cover catastrophic things with the price difference going into a tax free health savings account until you have the out of pocket maximums covered.
Health insurance is about getting the insurance company's negotiated rates so you're spending $12.50 on blood work instead of the full $300+ retail price. It's about having $40,000 in treatment for a broken leg covered so you don't get bankrupt. As long as you can pay with pre-tax money (HSA/FSA) you're better off paying for minor things out of pocket.
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QuoteI had a nice 100% coverage, no-deductible policy. It cost my employer $1000 a month to cover my wife and I where a $500 per person deductible policy would be in the $700 range and high deductible closer to $600.
What % of emplyers buy a kickass policy like that? 10% maybe. Is this a case, 'I have mine, tough shit for you all?" Kinda my point.
riddler 0
QuoteWhat % of emplyers buy a kickass policy like that? 10% maybe.
In my experience, I could get this sort of coverage by working for either a very large corporation that had tens of thousands of employees and could negotiate a great rate OR a small, well-funded VC company that had kick-ass product and was competing for the best talent. Both scenarios happened in the "good" economies, not the "bad" economies, where the company paid for the insurance.
I still work as a contractor for some of the smaller companies. Now that the economy is bad, they offer insurance to their employees for sale. If I were still an employee, it would cost me about $1,000/month to insure my wife and two children - the same cost as my home mortgage.
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So why do you get all hot and bothered about a country that isn't yours? Why try to impose your beliefs on a completely different population? Why are you trying to be Big Brother and tell the U.S. what to do? We kicked you out of our lives once.... don't be surprised if we don't want to come back.
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