Health Care Policy and the Village Idiots

[TankBuster 0]

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>I even quoted him and put parts of it in bold so that everyone
>could comprehend.

In that case I will do the same for you:

About 20% of the US population do not believe in Evolution and do believe the Creation myth. They consider it fact, not myth.

That's the 20% he's talking about. Again, imagine whatever you like, but those are his actual words. Trying to ignore them doesn't work well when they're right there in black and white.

Now, do you disagree with what he said? If so, can you explain your disagreement coherently?

Making inferences is what people with brains do. Let me rephrase my original point.

101 is attacking people because they believe something that is not based in scientific fact. He even makes that generalization in his own post, even though he does speak specifically to creationism. Therefore my question for those who call creationists "idiots" is this - apply that same rationale to any man who believes other things that are not scientifically "correct." Would you call him an idiot as well?

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[TankBuster 0]

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if you're going to attack people who believe, based on faith, things that are not scientifically proven, you either need to include Obama in the attack (and admit you voted for an idiot) or just call him an outright liar, like Rhys did.

Ahh, actually I did not, I simply pointed out that it is necessary to be christian to be in obamas position. He may well be a christan man as he states he is, for all I know. I wouldn't be completely sure however, as people as rational as he portrays himself to be are not usually as ignorant as true christains, they may go to church to please grandma...

The morals of the church are well engrained in society and for the most part are good, but the basis of the system is flawed in the need to resort to obscure scriptures translated over millenia by greedy two faced human beings.

not common sence, not science but fables and stories of lies, very unbelievable and quite pathetic lies!

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It astounds me that the village idiots, can't work out that Obama and any other person Running for Presedent of the USA would ALWAYS state their religon as Christianity.

If they didn't they would then become the village Idiot, as close to a majority of the village are in fact idiots themselves.

You need to appear be an idiot to have the acceptance of idiots!

Your post pretty well speaks for itself. You didn't leave your self much wiggle room. So which is it? Is he a liar or an idiot?

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[rehmwa 2]

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I had an ancestor hanged on Gallows Hill... I think I know something about witch hunts.

Wouldn't those be two totally unrelated statements unless you were there at the time.

About a 4th of my ancestry is Irish/Scottish - therefore I know something about potato famine

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I had an ancestor hanged on Gallows Hill... I think I know something about witch hunts.

Wouldn't those be two totally unrelated statements unless you were there at the time.

About a 4th of my ancestry is Irish/Scottish - therefore I know something about potato famine

Due to the ancestry, I have taken interest in this topic. I have actually researched the case (including reading of the background of the community at the time, the accusations and charges, the defense and the examinations related to the trial itself.) So, yes. I know something about witch hunts.

What have you researched about the potato famine? It wouldn't be that hard - the blight was only 150 years ago, the fungus was Phytophthora Infestans, the cure is CuSO4. You could know something about it. But you have chosen not to. But are you even aware that potatoes are not even indigenous to Ireland?




Or are you saying that only with being actually present do you know anything about anything? Well then... only 12 people know anything about the moon. For all the rest of us, it might be made of cheese.

[billvon 3,119]

>101 is attacking people because they believe something that is not based
>in scientific fact.

Correct. He is attacking people who do not believe in evolution, to be specific.

>Therefore my question for those who call creationists "idiots" is this - apply
>that same rationale to any man who believes other things that are not
>scientifically "correct." Would you call him an idiot as well?

Nope.

If someone does not believe evolution occurs, he is either uninformed, misinformed or a fool, since you can demonstrate it in a lab. If he didn't know that, then he was just uninformed. If someone told him "evolution doesn't exist" and he believed them, then he was misinformed. If he sees credible evidence of evolution (say, antibiotic resistance in bacteria, speciation in plants and insects) and ignores that evidence because it conflicts with his religion, then he's a fool.

If someone believes that God exists, that does not make him an idiot, since there is no scientific evidence either way.

To use an earlier example of yours, if someone believes Jesus rose from the dead, then that alone does not make him a fool, since a great many people have been clinincally dead for hours (even days in a few cases) and "come back from the dead." If he kills himself, hoping for resurrection, and thinks "well, it worked for Jesus, so it will work for me" then he's an idiot.

[TankBuster 0]

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...if someone believes Jesus rose from the dead, then that alone does not make him a fool, since a great many people have been clinincally dead for hours (even days in a few cases)...

Really? No heartbeat, no brain activity, and then "come back from the dead?" (Why in quotation marks?) Do you have any examples of this? The foundation of Christianity is that Christ died in fact - not that he just appeared to be dead. And then three days later was resurrected.

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If someone believes that God exists, that does not make him an idiot, since there is no scientific evidence either way.

Then couldn't God have created a fossil record to fool you?

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[rehmwa 2]

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Due to the ancestry, I have taken interest in this topic. I have actually researched the case (including reading of the background of the community at the time, the accusations and charges, the defense and the examinations related to the trial itself.) So, yes. I know something about witch hunts.

I think the key words are "I have actually researched", not "Due to ancestry"

that's all I'm saying

I don't know much about potatos - except they are good with cheese

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[billvon 3,119]

>Really? No heartbeat, no brain activity, and then "come back from the dead?"

Yes. People have been clinically dead for hours and come back. Usually it's associated with hypothermia. In fact that's so well known that there's a saying among ER doctors - "nobody is dead until they are warm and dead."

>The foundation of Christianity is that Christ died in fact - not that he
>just appeared to be dead.

Right. And like I said, there have been plenty of people who have been, in fact, dead to the limits of our ability to detect death - and who have come back.

>Then couldn't God have created a fossil record to fool you?

Sure. Heck, we could all be earthworms, and God may be just making us hallucinate that we're humans to fool us. There's just no evidence to support those theories.

[rhys 0]

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Your post pretty well speaks for itself. You didn't leave your self much wiggle room. So which is it? Is he a liar or an idiot?

You obviously can't comprehend very well, I have explained to you in plain english.

He may be or not be but will always state he is.

You can say the same for any future candidate, while christianity is a the mainstream religon.

Can you seriously not understand what I am talkng about?

are you christian?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[TankBuster 0]

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Your post pretty well speaks for itself. You didn't leave your self much wiggle room. So which is it? Is he a liar or an idiot?

You obviously can't comprehend very well, I have explained to you in plain english.

He may be or not be but will always state he is.

You can say the same for any future candidate, while christianity is a the mainstream religon.

Can you seriously not understand what I am talkng about?

are you christian?

I comprehend finely. Here's what you said.

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It astounds me that the village idiots, can't work out that Obama and any other person Running for Presedent of the USA would ALWAYS state their religon as Christianity.

If they didn't they would then become the village Idiot, as close to a majority of the village are in fact idiots themselves.

You need to appear be an idiot to have the acceptance of idiots!

So you're equating Christians with idiots, by making those statements. Obama must appear to be Christian, even if he's not. I get that. But if he is, he's an idiot. Try to keep up now. And if he isn't - and he says he is - he's a liar. So which is it?

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[billvon 3,119]

>So you're equating Christians with idiots, by making those statements.

I'm starting to see why right wingers think that "universal health care" equals "death boards." With logic like that you can equate any two things.

[TankBuster 0]

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>Really? No heartbeat, no brain activity, and then "come back from the dead?"

Yes. People have been clinically dead for hours and come back. Usually it's associated with hypothermia. In fact that's so well known that there's a saying among ER doctors - "nobody is dead until they are warm and dead."

>The foundation of Christianity is that Christ died in fact - not that he
>just appeared to be dead.

Right. And like I said, there have been plenty of people who have been, in fact, dead to the limits of our ability to detect death - and who have come back.

Christians don't believe Jesus was resuscitated, but resurrected. There's a world of difference. We don't believe in the "near death and resuscitation" of Christ. If Obama is a Christian, he doesn't either.

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Pretty much, creationists are in fact idiots, that are incapable of thinking for themselves, the older they are the weaker the excuse they have for believing such a pile of shit.

It's really no different than throwing around numbers like 1 billion years, or 150 million years, when the truth is, you haven't got a clue.

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>So you're equating Christians with idiots, by making those statements.

I'm starting to see why right wingers think that "universal health care" equals "death boards." With logic like that you can equate any two things.

With the inability to see that logic it is no wonder the left loonies are being sold the "feds can do it better, cheaper, with no rationing" line of bullshit.

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[billvon 3,119]

>Christians don't believe Jesus was resuscitated, but resurrected. There's
>a world of difference.

He came back from the dead. The mechanism really isn't all that important to me, although I'm sure it's very important to some people.

>We don't believe in the "near death and resuscitation" of Christ.

You could start your own religion, then, and claim that you are the True Death Believers. Could even get in a war with the Clinical Death Believers if they fail to see the light.

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It's really no different than throwing around numbers like 1 billion years, or 150 million years, when the truth is, you haven't got a clue.

The natural world is what I respect as the provider of our recources and ability to even exist at all.

The Earth is first including all it inhabitants, the Sun is the next level, it again provides us with the ability to exist, and then our galaxy and who knows from there?

These fables of snakes, apples and ribs and dirt;

A crock of shit! and completely stupid!

We as humans can decide if we would like to make the world better, or make it worse.

Religons that disrespect this, IMHO are not even worthy of consideration.

Too much emphasis on human beings and social structure for the benifit of the small proportion in charge, with No plausable explanations of existance itself including the complete natural world that surrounds us, supports us, creates us and destroys us, all day, everyday, whether we wish to acknowledge it, or are taught to acknowledge it at all.

The creation stories are limited to insignificant time spans and too much tweaked to the advantage of human beings. Without consideration for what obviously provides for us (The natural world), we have our heads so far up our own asses in our social world to be saddened by what it is that we are actually doing.

For me this is the ultimate disrespect, I am a part of it, and I am aware that I contribute, we are all born of this world and history will tell a story of violence and deceit.

I like to be as respectful as I can, while allowing myself the ability to do the things I want to do, there are alternitives for all of the evil things we are all contributing to, and ther is an unlimited amount of ways we could all coexist and live good lives but the majority chooses not to.

We are gifted and cursed by our own accepted definition of intellegence.

We are not here to destroy and consume our planets recources for the benefit of a small proportion of the global community.

We can be good or we can be bad, we can co exist or we can destroy each other, we can be friendly and we can be a cunt, we can be kidding ourselves or we can be aware...

There is a balance for everything and there is no reason that every human being on the planet can't be living a healthy, productive and enjoyable lifestyle.

We choose greed over caring and respect, we are our own demise.

There was talk of wirch hunts and soothsayers earlier, these people were killed by the self proclaimed illuminati for being a threat. They may have been lying or fooling themselves, or they may have been naturally wise, simply giving some nutrition to a sick person. This could threaten the illuminati and reduce its ability to have the control over the population. these people were killed in front of a subdued and willing audience.

This shit has shaped the way the world is, in so many different levels it is astounding.

The simple reality is that it is all hand me down chinese whispers.

JC my well have been the man, but he may have been tripping also. Remeber the irgots in the wheat...?

Who knows.

Chinese whispers!

It bewilders me that such a huge proportion of the population will still believe it?

For me the truth seems quite obvious, but hey that's just me right? Not.

My beliefs, obviously not yours.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entiltled to mine.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,119]

>It's really no different than throwing around numbers like 1 billion years, or
>150 million years, when the truth is, you haven't got a clue.

We actually have some pretty good clues. Some info for ya (if you care:)

Formation of the universe: 13.5 to 14 billion years ago, calculated by the intensity/frequency of background radiation and expansion of the universe.

Formation of the earth: 4.49 to 4.58 billion years ago (from radiometric dating of meteorites)

Evolution of life: 4.5 billion to 2.5 billion years ago (depending on how you define "life")

Cambrian explosion: 580-500 million years ago, from fossil records

K-T event: 65.5 million years ago, from radiometric dating of fossils (paved the way for man!)

Divergence of most recent common ancestor, man/chimpanzees/bonobos: 5-7 million years ago (from molecular clocks and genetic drift)