cliffwhite 0 #1 September 15, 2009 What is your opinion of contracting out prison service to the private sector. I know many of you believe that government does nothing well, but when it comes to prisons I see alot of potential for abuse by private contractors. What do you think? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #2 September 15, 2009 Provided strong oversight I don't see an issue with running prisons privately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #3 September 15, 2009 QuoteProvided strong oversight I don't see an issue with running prisons privately. Bill, how do you feel about our government run prisons? Do you think they are run properly? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #4 September 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteProvided strong oversight I don't see an issue with running prisons privately. Bill, how do you feel about our government run prisons? Do you think they are run properly? Blues, Cliff And would such intense oversight actually create more problems and red tape? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #5 September 15, 2009 Not only privatize, but outsource. For anyone sentence to more than 25 years, send them to Bangladesh. And import Chinese prison wardens to manage it. (The Indians are outsourcing to China now) If the bribe the guards and escape, it improves the local economy because bribes are paying part of the guards salary. Escapes reduce the overall cost of running the prison and ease overcrowding. Plus, they're in another country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #6 September 15, 2009 Or establish a penal colony on Greenland! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fossg 0 #7 September 15, 2009 The overall record of private prisons has been dismal. A prison because of the very nature of its existence does not loan itself to be run as a profit making venture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #8 September 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteProvided strong oversight I don't see an issue with running prisons privately. Bill, how do you feel about our government run prisons? Do you think they are run properly? Blues, Cliff And would such intense oversight actually create more problems and red tape? Well , here's the deal.., If private prisons need government oversight and we all know how poorly run the government prisons are... Bill? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #9 September 15, 2009 QuoteThe overall record of private prisons has been dismal. A prison because of the very nature of its existence does not loan itself to be run as a profit making venture. Yeah but how great is it for Wall Street? I mean 5000 beds at $40,000 a year, let's not let that thing empty out! He struck a guard, two more years! Let's let corporate America build 10 more a year and fill them with even more nonviolent offenders. Fill them with union activists and pot smokers and put Charlie Sheen in solitary confinement for paying women.., "to leave after I've had sex with them". And with corporate money we can build enough prisons to lock up all of the fags for the violation of sodomy laws ,we'll call it "club anytime" and we can build one for the "truthers" and one for the "Birth Certificate Bunch" and one for the protesters , because nowadays protest is "terrorism" and we have a war against those types. And as long as the corporations are making money! I mean surely no judge would take some cash from some corporate type to ensure those private jails were full at all times,right! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #10 September 15, 2009 >Bill, how do you feel about our government run prisons? Do you think >they are run properly? They are, in general, run reasonably well - but most are more expensive to run than they would be if they were privately run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #11 September 15, 2009 >And would such intense oversight actually create more problems and red tape? It might. Left to their own devices, and shorn of burdensome government oversight, prisons could become shining examples of capitalism. For example, a single prisoner could yield thousands of dollars worth of profitable organs and tissues, and turn a tidy profit for investors in the corporation that ran it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #12 September 15, 2009 Quote>Bill, how do you feel about our government run prisons? Do you think >they are run properly? They are, in general, run reasonably well - but most are more expensive to run than they would be if they were privately run. So you think that rape and assault in prison is ok? How about the crucifixtions? You'r OK with that? In a government institution? You are the government Bill. Do you condone rape and torture of those under your guardianship? Prisons are "run reasonably well"? How about we throw your wife in there? "Reasonably well"? Really? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #13 September 15, 2009 >So you think that rape and assault in prison is ok? How about the >crucifixtions? You'r OK with that? Nope. Next question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #14 September 15, 2009 Quote>So you think that rape and assault in prison is ok? How about the >crucifixtions? You'r OK with that? Nope. Next question? "Reasonably well" That's how you described the way our prisons are run. With the rampant rape and assault problems in our prison system , why do you believe they are run "reasonbly well? How many rapes do you believe should be allowed to occur on a daily basis? Please Bill, give us a "reasonable" number. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #15 September 15, 2009 >With the rampant rape and assault problems in our prison system , >why do you believe they are run "reasonbly well? To answer that to your satisfaction, I have to figure out your criteria for "reasonable." Please tell me something that _you_ think is run reasonably well, so that I have a basis for comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #16 September 15, 2009 Quote>With the rampant rape and assault problems in our prison system , >why do you believe they are run "reasonbly well? To answer that to your satisfaction, I have to figure out your criteria for "reasonable." Please tell me something that _you_ think is run reasonably well, so that I have a basis for comparison. Oh ,I see, you do believe that some number of assaults and rapes in prison could go on and yet you would see this government institution as being reasonably well run. My God Man!!! You have these people in cages and you can't ensure their security? And that is "reasonably well run"? It sounds as cruel and unusual punishment to me! And you need my insight as to what I think is well run so that you can determine if your own statement of "reasonably well run"bears true? Let me tell you ,Bill, If even one person in state custody is molested the prison system is not "reasonably well run"!Unless of course you condone that sort of thing. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #17 September 15, 2009 >Oh ,I see, you do believe that some number of assaults and rapes in >prison could go on and yet you would see this government institution as >being reasonably well run. Yes. I thought the college I went to was reasonably well run. But there were, on occasion, rapes and suicides there. >Let me tell you ,Bill, If even one person in state custody is molested > the prison system is not "reasonably well run"!Unless of course you >condone that sort of thing. In that case, pretty much nothing is reasonably well run. There have been rapes and molestations in everything from churches to schools to nunneries to post offices to national parks to banks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #18 September 15, 2009 Quote>Oh ,I see, you do believe that some number of assaults and rapes in >prison could go on and yet you would see this government institution as >being reasonably well run. Yes. I thought the college I went to was reasonably well run. But there were, on occasion, rapes and suicides there.Quote On occasion? Did any of these *occasional*rapes on campus occur in a secured building and in cages? If 10 puppies at a pet store were killed in a cage by their cagemates daily, would you say that pet store was "reasonably run"? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites format 1 #19 September 15, 2009 A smack, rape, ass ault, kill, mutilation and so on. Talking of physical damadge. With history, prison future is not a mistery. Somehow, somewhere in my mind - I get it's like that, no matter how 'strong oversight' (that was a smile maker) there is. Idea is falsely written in law, present prison reality is painfully real and I bet that WAS the idea "Strong oversight" lol, very good What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #20 September 15, 2009 >If 10 puppies at a pet store were killed in a cage by their cagemates >daily, would you say that pet store was "reasonably run"? If the store, countrywide, had a population of 7.2 million dogs - perhaps. If it had a population of 20 - no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #21 September 15, 2009 QuoteWhat is your opinion of contracting out prison service to the private sector. I know many of you believe that government does nothing well, but when it comes to prisons I see alot of potential for abuse by private contractors. What do you think? Blues, Cliff One of the bigger issues is the 8th Amendment. How can a private contractor be held to US Constitutional standards? They can't, so I am against it. If there's government waste I would rather it be in the government in teh way of hiring too many employees, etc. If there is corporate waste then a small number of people end up with all the money. So on at least 2 fronts I'm against it. As well, parole means a customer lost, would private prisons do things to keep their customers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #22 September 15, 2009 the us prison system is a black stain on the conscience of the world. the russian gulags were also run reasonably well billvon.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #23 September 15, 2009 Quote"It is an uncontested fact that, on average, an inmate in one of California's prisons needlessly dies every six or seven days, due to constitutional deficiencies in the [California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation]'s medical delivery system. This statistic, as awful as it is, barely provides a window into the waste of human life occurring behind California's prison walls due to the gross failures of the medical delivery system." http://www.alternet.org/rights/142573/with_its_prisons_dangerously_full%2C_why_is_california_fighting_for_custody_of_a_dying_prisoner_across_the_country/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #24 September 15, 2009 Quote Or establish a penal colony on Greenland! or Australia. oh... too late... how about Manhattan? wait... bad movie... uh... dunno-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #25 September 15, 2009 QuoteOh ,I see, you do believe that some number of assaults and rapes in prison could go on and yet you would see this government institution as being reasonably well run. My God Man!!! You have these people in cages and you can't ensure their security? And that is "reasonably well run"? If even one person in state custody is molested the prison system is not "reasonably well run"!Unless of course you condone that sort of thing. Well, if they kept the animals-in-human-flesh (prisoners) in cages(solitary confinment), all day there would be no assaults and no rapes. Would that make you happy, do you want everyone in prison to sit in solitary for their entire sentence? Or would you rather they be allowed to eat, congregate, and exercise together. If you prefer them not to sit in solitary for years at a time, and recognizing that these are violent and non-law abiding folks, then you must recognize that some level of lawlessness is going to happen in prison.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
format 1 #19 September 15, 2009 A smack, rape, ass ault, kill, mutilation and so on. Talking of physical damadge. With history, prison future is not a mistery. Somehow, somewhere in my mind - I get it's like that, no matter how 'strong oversight' (that was a smile maker) there is. Idea is falsely written in law, present prison reality is painfully real and I bet that WAS the idea "Strong oversight" lol, very good What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #20 September 15, 2009 >If 10 puppies at a pet store were killed in a cage by their cagemates >daily, would you say that pet store was "reasonably run"? If the store, countrywide, had a population of 7.2 million dogs - perhaps. If it had a population of 20 - no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 September 15, 2009 QuoteWhat is your opinion of contracting out prison service to the private sector. I know many of you believe that government does nothing well, but when it comes to prisons I see alot of potential for abuse by private contractors. What do you think? Blues, Cliff One of the bigger issues is the 8th Amendment. How can a private contractor be held to US Constitutional standards? They can't, so I am against it. If there's government waste I would rather it be in the government in teh way of hiring too many employees, etc. If there is corporate waste then a small number of people end up with all the money. So on at least 2 fronts I'm against it. As well, parole means a customer lost, would private prisons do things to keep their customers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #22 September 15, 2009 the us prison system is a black stain on the conscience of the world. the russian gulags were also run reasonably well billvon.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #23 September 15, 2009 Quote"It is an uncontested fact that, on average, an inmate in one of California's prisons needlessly dies every six or seven days, due to constitutional deficiencies in the [California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation]'s medical delivery system. This statistic, as awful as it is, barely provides a window into the waste of human life occurring behind California's prison walls due to the gross failures of the medical delivery system." http://www.alternet.org/rights/142573/with_its_prisons_dangerously_full%2C_why_is_california_fighting_for_custody_of_a_dying_prisoner_across_the_country/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #24 September 15, 2009 Quote Or establish a penal colony on Greenland! or Australia. oh... too late... how about Manhattan? wait... bad movie... uh... dunno-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #25 September 15, 2009 QuoteOh ,I see, you do believe that some number of assaults and rapes in prison could go on and yet you would see this government institution as being reasonably well run. My God Man!!! You have these people in cages and you can't ensure their security? And that is "reasonably well run"? If even one person in state custody is molested the prison system is not "reasonably well run"!Unless of course you condone that sort of thing. Well, if they kept the animals-in-human-flesh (prisoners) in cages(solitary confinment), all day there would be no assaults and no rapes. Would that make you happy, do you want everyone in prison to sit in solitary for their entire sentence? Or would you rather they be allowed to eat, congregate, and exercise together. If you prefer them not to sit in solitary for years at a time, and recognizing that these are violent and non-law abiding folks, then you must recognize that some level of lawlessness is going to happen in prison.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
