JohnDeere 0 #76 September 16, 2009 Quote*cough* rednecks *cough* *cough* yankee *cough* Your so cool!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #77 September 16, 2009 QuoteHe is very pro gun control, there's no doubt about that. But the absurd claims of "he wants to take your guns away" or "he wants to ban as many firearms as he can get away with" aren't supportable. Sure they are, by his own admission. QuoteFrom his own website: Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets. That is *exactly* banning firearms that we can currently own. QuoteFactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns." Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line: 35. Do you support state legislation to: a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes. b. ban assault weapons? Yes. c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes. Quote* Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons. * Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms. * Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms. Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998 Again that is EXACTLY a ban. QuoteOn March 13, 2003, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee for a bill that would have enacted a much broader gun ban. (The vote tally sheet is available at http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf). Again, he voted FOR a ban. QuoteOpposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008 He opposed a bill to allow the use of weapons to defend yourself. Quote"I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry"--Obama He is on record opposing the right to carry to defend yourself. Obama's meeting in Mexico April 16, 2009: QuotePRESIDENT OBAMA: And I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the Second Amendment rights in our Constitution, the rights of sportsmen and hunters and homeowners who want to keep their families safe to lawfully bear arms, while dealing with assault weapons that, as we now know, here in Mexico, are helping to fuel extraordinary violence -- violence in our own country, as well. Now, having said that, I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy. And so, what we've focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws, because even under current law, trafficking illegal firearms, sending them across a border, is illegal. That's something that we can stop. And so our focus is to work with Secretary Napolitano, Attorney General Holder, our entire Homeland Security team, ATF, border security, everybody who is involved in this, to coordinate with our counterparts in Mexico to significantly ramp up our enforcement of existing laws. And in fact, I've asked Eric Holder to do a complete review of how our enforcement operations are currently working and make sure that we're cutting down on the loopholes that are resulting in some of these drug trafficking problems. The last point I would make is that there are going to be some opportunities where I think we can build some strong consensus. I'll give you one example, and that is the issue of gun tracing. The tracing of bullets and ballistics and gun information that have been used in major crimes -- that's information that we are still not giving to law enforcement, as a consequence of provisions that have been blocked in the United States Congress, and those are the areas where I think that we can make some significant progress early. That doesn’t mean that we're steering away from the issue of the assault guns ban, but it does mean that we want to act with urgency, promptly, now. And I think we can make significant progress. Over and over he has stated he wants another ban.... How you could possibly think otherwise is amazing. QuoteSo you're saying that Obama will grab your guns. And as proof you offer the fact that millions of guns are being sold to americans, and sales are setting records? Interesting logic. It is called unintended consequences. Do you for a single second think he would NOT put a ban on semi automatic weapons in place if he could? You can't blame people for taking him at his word and looking at his history and expecting he would do more of it if he could get away with it politically."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #78 September 16, 2009 QuoteIf you do them all simultaneously, the FFL only has to call in and say "handgun," "long gun" or "both." There's no need for them to total a number of firearms. Multiple handgun purchases WILL require more paperwork. Long guns you can buy a crate at a time, and you can buy multiple pistols, but the FFL has to fill out a ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, if you buy more than 2 handguns within 5 days. You can see the form here: http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f33104.pdf It is Title 27 PART 478 Subpart H § 478.126a Reporting multiple sales or other disposition of pistols and revolvers."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #79 September 16, 2009 Ron, you have to read Bill's post. He's trying to set up a strawman. Everyone else was discussing real issues, such as the expired AWB. Bill tried to switch the discussion to be about "take your guns away" and "ban as many firearms as he can get away with." Bill is hoping that someone takes his bait, because then he will have switched the debate to his terms, away from the actual terms it's being held on in the real political arena. Then he can make witty comments about how it's not "as many as he can get away with" or it's not "taking your guns away" (i.e. outright confiscation). By actually discussing the real issue (re-instatement of the expired AWB and Obama's position on it), you're totally failing to fall into Bill's clever intellectual trap.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #80 September 16, 2009 QuoteRon, you have to read Bill's post. He's trying to set up a strawman Oh, I know... It is what he does when he knows he does not have the facts to fight fair. QuoteEveryone else was discussing real issues, such as the expired AWB. Bill tried to switch the discussion to be about "take your guns away" and "ban as many firearms as he can get away with." And they really are the same issue... He is just trying to get into a position to play stupid word games. It is what he does and the only way he knows how to have a "debate" But, stupid word games aside, he can't ignore the fact that Obama has stated several times that he wants to ban weapons, and he can't change the fact Obama has voted at every opportunity to ban normal citizens from having weapons."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #81 September 16, 2009 QuoteQuote*cough* rednecks *cough* *cough* yankee *cough* Your so cool! You're. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #82 September 16, 2009 Do you view the term "redneck" as a racial epithet?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #83 September 16, 2009 QuoteDo you view the term "redneck" as a racial epithet? sorry, did that strike a nerve? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #84 September 16, 2009 No. Not really. I'm just curious why "redneck," which is a pejorative term applied solely to individuals of a specific ethnic derivation, is any less racially offensive than other, similar terms, applied to people of different ethnicities. Can you explain why you think "redneck" is any less racially motivated (and racially offensive) than "wop," "kike" or "nigger"?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #85 September 16, 2009 QuoteNo. Not really. Can you explain why you think "redneck" is any less racially motivated (and racially offensive) than "wop," "kike" or "nigger"? Well then you answered your own question. Why don't you go cry to comedy central who ran Jeff Foxworthy's racially offensive show "You might be a redneck if..."?. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #86 September 16, 2009 Quote bought anoter gun this year and my LTCF. anyone looking for a nice carry pistol i highly reccommend Taurus...they shoot great, great bang for the buck, no failure to loads, eject, misfires or anythig in 1200 rounds... Can't help myself to notice from far away: There is some close correlation between gun lovers and typing errors. Dear Jesus. ROFLMAO dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #87 September 16, 2009 QuoteWell then you answered your own question. How, exactly? Can you answer it for me? QuoteWhy don't you go cry to comedy central who ran Jeff Foxworthy's racially offensive show "You might be a redneck if..."?. I'm not sure how that's relevant to my question, asked of you. Can you explain how that's related, bearing in mind that I am neither Jeff Foxworthy nor Comedy Central?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #88 September 16, 2009 Quote Can't help myself to notice from far away: There is some close correlation between gun lovers and typing errors. Dear Jesus. ROFLMAO Can't help myself to notice from far away: Is there some correlation between being outside the US and being rude and an instigator? ROFLMAO"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #89 September 16, 2009 Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #90 September 16, 2009 If you really need someone to explain to you that "redneck" isn't as offensive as the other words you mentioned, you need a reality check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #91 September 16, 2009 Quote .... Is there some correlation between being outside the US and being rude and an instigator? ROFLMAO Being rude? Where? What I said is just obvious. Being an instigator? What a BS. We're not living in 3rd Reich anymore. Give your guys a better education and less guns. That might help a lot more. I'm sure about that. Edited for typo dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #92 September 16, 2009 QuoteIf you really need someone to explain to you that "redneck" isn't as offensive as the other words you mentioned, you need a reality check. Ok. Why don't you provide the explanation, and give me that reality check. Why is a term that stereotypes one ethnicity any less offensive than similar terms that stereotype others? Please educate me.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #93 September 16, 2009 QuoteBeing rude? Yes coming into a discussion and throwing a comment designed to only stir up trouble is both rude and shows you as being an instigator. Someone who is educated would know that. QuoteWe're not living in 3rd Reich anymore. Give your guys a better education and less guns. That might help a lot more. Giving you guys a book on manners would help a bunch as well. I'm sure about that. And as for Education.... you might want to check the PISA studies."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #94 September 16, 2009 Obama is one helluva firearms salesman. He did the econonmy some good - S&W stock went up - Kept some people working - Ammo prices have shot up also - Reloading supplies are getting hard to find (Primers for instance -) And when you can find them you'll pay a premium. Economic Stimulus!!! Actually good, capitalist stimulus to boot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #95 September 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteIf you really need someone to explain to you that "redneck" isn't as offensive as the other words you mentioned, you need a reality check. Ok. Why don't you provide the explanation, and give me that reality check. Why is a term that stereotypes one ethnicity any less offensive than similar terms that stereotype others? Please educate me. I would if I actually believed that you can't grasp this. But you're just being a crybaby and trying to make this a racial issue when you know there is none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #96 September 16, 2009 Quote Obama is one helluva firearms salesman. He did the econonmy some good - S&W stock went up - Kept some people working - Ammo prices have shot up also - Reloading supplies are getting hard to find (Primers for instance -) And when you can find them you'll pay a premium. Economic Stimulus!!! Actually good, capitalist stimulus to boot. I've wondered if Hillary or any democrate voted into thr WH this cycle would have gotten the same gun sales results, From what I've read the rumor mill was working full time prior to the eelection about new gun laws if a democrate got elected to the WH. Panic buying and hording at it's bestWE NEED AMMO!!!!!!One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #97 September 16, 2009 QuoteI would if I actually believed that you can't grasp this. But you're just being a crybaby and trying to make this a racial issue when you know there is none. Perhaps I should move to Georgia and run for President then.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #98 September 16, 2009 >such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over >local ordinances against handgun possession. Do you support that law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #99 September 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Can't help myself to notice from far away: There is some close correlation between gun lovers and typing errors. Dear Jesus. ROFLMAO .... Is there some correlation between being outside the US and being rude and an instigator? ROFLMAO Being rude? Where? What I said is just obvious. Being an instigator? What a BS. We're not living in 3rd Reich anymore. Give your guys a better education and less guns. That might help a lot more. I'm sure about that. Edited for typo ok... that's rather funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #100 September 16, 2009 Quoteyou're just being a crybaby I know you're new here, but let me give you a tip: insulting a moderator is quick way to getting yourself locked-out of all further discussion. It's also an excellent way to demonstrate that you really don't have any substance with which to argue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
