Americans Buy Over One Million Guns In August

[kbordson 8]

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My question is why? have 1 Million Americans purchased firearms in August? Is it for home defense? If so why so many in August? Is it for sport purposes? When does the hunting season start over there? Is it because they fear a collapse in law and order? If so why?

Typically it is related to the hunting season that is coming up.
Look at the graph that was included in that link. It shows total NICS background checks on a monthly basis from 1998 to Aug 2009. With examining that, you can see that May, June and July tend have less purchases, August starts the pick up and that trend continues through December. Then it drops off again in January. This is just the "normal" pattern that has gone on for AT LEAST the last 10 years. Over the 10 years, there has been a progressive increase, but that could be more linked to population increases.

Now, might there more because of a fear of restriction or future limitations - possibly. Is there more because Americans "fear a collapse" - VERY doubtful.

Like just all related to sales pattern. No drama. No panic. Just normal sales patterns.

But... it makes good news to try to spin.

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So WHY am I focusing on that instead of the rest of what you said? Because YOU said it. I didn't. I didn't open the door for your bullshit tangent. You did.

I wouldn't call it a bullshit tangent, and to me it's got everything to do with gun control. Obama has made all kinds of wonderful speeches and promises to the american people, including the "I won't ban guns" rhetoric, provided you don't include the "clinging to guns and religion" crap.

However, what the rest of his staff and congress are doing is a whole different story. A good example is Rahm Emanual starting CIA investigations while Obama was on vacation. I feel the president made his position on the matter clear.

Do I think the the president deserves a vacation? Yes. Am I comparing vacation time to past presidents? I could care less. Am I looking at what the mice are doing while the cats away? You bet your ass.

Despite what the president has said, do I think that gun control is out of the question? Fuck no. After the health care debacle is done and over with, I could very easily see Obama taking another vacation and his staff passing anti-gun legislation. Obama comes back, signs it, then shrugs his shoulders and says "Ohhh that Rahm.....I didn't do it"

So ya, I think it's kind of relevant.

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My point is what is coming out of Obama's mouth and what congress and his staff is doing behind him isn't matching up. When is he going to take control and be a president? I'm seeing lots of change, but none that I can believe in.

Are you suggesting that he "take control of congress"? If you are then I think you should take a look at this thing called seperation of power, checks and balances, the legislative, judicial, and executive branches...

[jgoose71 0]

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My point is what is coming out of Obama's mouth and what congress and his staff is doing behind him isn't matching up. When is he going to take control and be a president? I'm seeing lots of change, but none that I can believe in.

Are you suggesting that he "take control of congress"? If you are then I think you should take a look at this thing called seperation of power, checks and balances, the legislative, judicial, and executive branches...

If a something has his name on it, he should at least stand up and tell congress what he wants in it. And he definitely needs to spend some time at home and reign in his cabinet, Chief of Staff, and Czars. I got a feeling really soon we will see Janeane Garofalo as the "Gun Czar"

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[kallend 2,150]

Signs of an economic recovery. Guns aren't inexpensive.

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My question is why? have 1 Million americans purchased firearms in August? Is it for home defense? If so why so many in August? Is it for sport purposes? When does the hunting season start over there? Is it beause they fear a collapse in law and order? If so why?

Paranioa and penis extentions, there was no more danger in august than what there was is june or july, just the radical pro gun renecks, feel they are losing the battle.

Right wing moronism 'is' losing the battle against common sense.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kbordson 8]

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My question is why? have 1 Million americans purchased firearms in August? Is it for home defense? If so why so many in August? Is it for sport purposes? When does the hunting season start over there? Is it beause they fear a collapse in law and order? If so why?

Paranioa and penis extentions, there was no more danger in august than what there was is june or july, just the radical pro gun renecks, feel they are losing the battle.

Right wing moronism 'is' losing the battle against common sense.

Ummmm.

Did you EVEN LOOK at the attached graph?

There have been months of sales over a million for over the last 10 years. This August is a representation of a NORMAL increase in sales due to the upcoming hunting season... in fact, I remember reading that [cough] someone else[/cough] was going to buy a firearm for hunting in the coming future....

Maybe he's paranoid too. (not that I'm "fingering" anyone out)

This is a NON story. Just drama to be used by each side for nothing.

Sound and fury. Signifies nothing

[rhys 0]

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There have been months of sales over a million for over the last 10 years. This August is a representation of a NORMAL increase in sales due to the upcoming hunting season... in fact, I remember reading that [cough] someone else[/cough] was going to buy a firearm for hunting in the coming future....

so a million guns per month for how many years?

Soon you will have 1 gun per person (regestered), so therefore yor shooting stats will fall, because no one will shoot anyone if everyone has a gun right?

you can bet your bottom dollar that less than a third of people in the us have guns, and they horde them.

A high percentage of those that buy new guns(in the US, won't use them, already have one or more and will not be hunting anytime in the future.

I will buy a gun (a rifle) and and I will only have one, and will keep it for a long time. It will provide me meat, and will help the ecology of my country.


The chances of me needing if for self defence is VERY LOW. So I will not even consider that when I purchase.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kbordson 8]

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There have been months of sales over a million for over the last 10 years. This August is a representation of a NORMAL increase in sales due to the upcoming hunting season... in fact, I remember reading that [cough] someone else[/cough] was going to buy a firearm for hunting in the coming future....

so a million guns per month for how many years?

Look at the graph.

[kallend 2,150]

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My question is why? have 1 Million americans purchased firearms in August? Is it for home defense? If so why so many in August? Is it for sport purposes? When does the hunting season start over there? Is it beause they fear a collapse in law and order? If so why?

Paranioa and penis extentions, there was no more danger in august than what there was is june or july, just the radical pro gun renecks, feel they are losing the battle.

Right wing moronism 'is' losing the battle against common sense.

Ummmm.

Did you EVEN LOOK at the attached graph?

The article linked in the OP has a link to a table, but no graph that I could find.

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Americans Buy Over One Million Guns In August

Data released by the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported 1,074,757 checks in August 2009, a 12.3 percent increase from the 956,872 reported in August 2008. So far that is roughly 9,076,205 gun bought this year! The total is probably more as NICS background checks may cover the purchase of more than one gun at a time.

The bulk of the buying has been concentrated on the following types of guns or calibers:

Semi Auto Handguns
Revolvers
AR15s and all variants of the Black Rifle
.50 Caliber

Source: http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/435266.asp

Have you purchased a firearm this year?

Anti-gun liberals, imagine this: One million new pro-gun voters, every month!

The problem is I don't know who to follow if I love gun rights, and I do, since I can post arguments how both sides have done or promised to do things to limit gun ownership.

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Yep, all those fears of Obama getting into office and taking away your guns sure were justified. I mean, holy crap, it's like the first thing that was on his agenda wasn't it? Better go and buy some more before they run out.

Remember in the early 90's when either Bush, who encouraged Colt to stop making firearms for teh public or Clinton did his Brady Bill / AWB the gun shelves cleared? Yea, and to think, all that paranoia came true

[TomAiello 26]

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The problem is I don't know who to follow if I love gun rights, and I do, since I can post arguments how both sides have done or promised to do things to limit gun ownership.

Who, specifically, are the "both" sides? Why do you feel you must follow one of them? Do you really only have two choices?

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The problem is I don't know who to follow if I love gun rights, and I do, since I can post arguments how both sides have done or promised to do things to limit gun ownership.

Who, specifically, are the "both" sides? Why do you feel you must follow one of them? Do you really only have two choices?

We can pretend that other parties, Green, Liberatrian, etc actaully have an impact on the country, but they really don't. As for me, I've voted for boh parties at president and congress, and I voted for Perot too, who received 19% of the popular vote and zero electoral votes. He was the most substantial 3rd party since the Republicans won in 1860. Speaking of which, the Dems and the Whigs were the 2-party system then, butthey sucked so bad the Republicans entered and knocked out the Whigs. Until a 3rd party doees this to either the D's or the R's it's a 2-party system.

As for both sides not being gun friendly at times, let me be more clear to say Republicans and Democrats have doen things to harm private gun ownership, certainly the D's have been a little worse.

[Ron 10]

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Yep, all those fears of Obama getting into office and taking away your guns sure were justified

We only took him at his word:

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From his own website:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

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FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

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"I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry"--Obama

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* Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

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The Post quotes Obama out of context, claiming that he only wanted to tax “certain types” of guns in 1999. But the full sentence in the 1999 article reads, “Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.” Chinta Strausberg, Obama unveils federal gun bill, Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999, at 3.

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On March 13, 2003, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee for a bill that would have enacted a much broader gun ban. (The vote tally sheet is available at http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf).
The bill under debate that day, SB 1195 (available at http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/93/...300SB1195lv.pdf), would have made it illegal to “knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess” a “semiautomatic assault weapon.”

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Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008

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2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month

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OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Obama's meeting in Mexico April 16, 2009:

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: And I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the Second Amendment rights in our Constitution, the rights of sportsmen and hunters and homeowners who want to keep their families safe to lawfully bear arms, while dealing with assault weapons that, as we now know, here in Mexico, are helping to fuel extraordinary violence -- violence in our own country, as well.

Now, having said that, I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy. And so, what we've focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws, because even under current law, trafficking illegal firearms, sending them across a border, is illegal. That's something that we can stop.

And so our focus is to work with Secretary Napolitano, Attorney General Holder, our entire Homeland Security team, ATF, border security, everybody who is involved in this, to coordinate with our counterparts in Mexico to significantly ramp up our enforcement of existing laws. And in fact, I've asked Eric Holder to do a complete review of how our enforcement operations are currently working and make sure that we're cutting down on the loopholes that are resulting in some of these drug trafficking problems.

The last point I would make is that there are going to be some opportunities where I think we can build some strong consensus. I'll give you one example, and that is the issue of gun tracing. The tracing of bullets and ballistics and gun information that have been used in major crimes -- that's information that we are still not giving to law enforcement, as a consequence of provisions that have been blocked in the United States Congress, and those are the areas where I think that we can make some significant progress early.

That doesn’t mean that we're steering away from the issue of the assault guns ban, but it does mean that we want to act with urgency, promptly, now. And I think we can make significant progress.

You can't blame us for thinking he would try to keep his word.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Anti-gun liberals, imagine this: One million new pro-gun voters, every month!

Yep. How nice. Economy is working again.

Buying guns - but inapt to pay a dentist. So, it's easier to wait for all those alien dentists visiting the US every year, giving the poor man new "dining room cutlery".

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[Skyrad 0]

Thanks Karen

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[Kennedy 0]

A select fire "Evil Black Rifle" is readily available in Canada?

Or were you thinking of the Tavor Carbine (T.C. 21) which is semi-auto only?
(though I wouldn't mind that, I'd absolutely love to get my hands on a TAR-21)

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[TomAiello 26]

It's the semi-auto only version.

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[Kennedy 0]

I figured, but the further south I go, the less attention I pay to Canadian criminal law. Honestly I care more about video reply consideration in Tornoto than I do legislative action.

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[JohnRich 4]

News:

FBI: Murder, Violent Crime Dropped in 2008

The FBI says murder and manslaughters reported to police dropped almost 4 percent last year. The 3.9 percent decline in killings was part of a nationwide drop in violent crime of 1.9 percent from 2007 to 2008. The number of forcible rapes represents a decrease of 1.6% from the 2007 estimate, and is the lowest figure in the last 20 years. Property crimes also declined overall, by 0.8 percent, but that was driven mostly by a very large drop in car thefts, which declined 12.7 percent.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/14/national/main5309836.shtml

Americans are purchasing a million guns per month, and crime is dropping to significantly low levels.

And yet the anti-gun folks insist that "more guns equals more crime!"

[livendive 8]

I've purchased two guns this year, an LMT Defender 2000 (evil black assault rifle), and an XD-40 sub-compact (evil concealed carry pistol, and got the permit to match). Of course, these purchases didn't turn me into a "new pro-gun voter", much less two of them. I voted for Obama and don't expect to become a single-issue voter anytime soon.

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[TomAiello 26]

I'm curious how you could buy an EBR, and vote for a politician who thinks you shouldn't have the right to own it, and has promised to take them away.

Seriously. Can you shed some light on your thought process for me?

Thanks!

-- Tom Aiello

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[warpedskydiver 0]

I would also like to know and try to understand how you came to that decision.