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QuoteIf you want to debate with grownups, your intellect and reading skills should be up to the task.
If they aren't, perhaps you could find another way to spend your time...
By making posts like yours?
Mike
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kallend 2,108
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Conversely, you can raise taxes and have the rich shelter their money even more and have corporations downsize or move overseas where they can afford to do business - you know, like what happened a whole lot during the 90's.
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More appeal to emotion. Show me the tax revenues, not the expenditures.
Of course, tax revenues increased during the '90s leading to steadily declining deficits. Revenues decreased during Bush's administration after correcting for inflation and population growth. In real terms, revenues were down about $50Billion in 2008 compared with 2000.
In 2000 federal revenue was $2.03T
In 2008 federal revenue was $2.52T
An increase of 24.1%
The CPI went from 515.8 (2000) to 644.4 (2008), a 24.8% increase
The population went from 281.4M (2000) to 303.5M (2008), a 7.8% increase.
In order just to keep up with inflation and population growth from 2000 to 2008 the federal revenues needed to be $2.57T in 2008. So the shortfall in revenues in real terms was $50Billion.
Thanks be to the GOP.
Cite, please - and YOU can leave the spending off, as well - we are discussing tax revenues.
What I wrote was VERY clear. In REAL terms, revenues declined. You can choose 2000 or 2008 as your baseline for the $US, but either way, revenues declined in terms of the REAL value of the revenues.
All the data are easy to verify.
Cite.
Revenues - US Dept. of the Treasury
Population - US Census Bureau
CPI - US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Percentages - Ask a friend if you can't handle them yourself.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteRevenues - US Dept. of the Treasury
Population - US Census Bureau
CPI - US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Thank you.
QuotePercentages - Ask a friend if you can't handle them yourself.
I'm pretty sure I can - can YOU manage a post without trying to belittle someone who disagrees with you?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
People seem to ignore that it was Clinton that passed on the failure of Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae to the Bush administration. It was the Bush administration that warned of their coming failure. Barney Frank is again pressuring the administration to start again giving loans to people who cannot pay them back so his friends will double their executive bailout. In your wildest dreams, do you really think BHO has a handle on the deficit and government entitlement programs? Do you think he will ever bring home the troops? No chance. I believe he is afraid of them. Bush was a terrible president who would have sold our national parks to balance the budget, but your guy is worse, and people with no political allegiance are speaking out.QuoteQuoteNah, you have to look at the "projedted" deficit.
I'm willing to look forward, but you're unwilling to look back. Care to discuss how we got here? Have a problem cutting the military, probably in half for starters? That is where the origin lies.QuoteSure, Bush had a mini-auto bailout, and he spent some money after 9-11, ..
Spent money on what? Let's not dissect Bush's work, let's get a better understanding of his term by looking at the totality of it since it's finished.
- Received a very good economy
- Cut taxes sharply right off the bat
- Became engage in a war that has cost 1T to date and was entered on cherry-picked intelligence
- Experienced some of the worst inflation in history
- Ended up leaving a borderline depression
- And finally, the debt grew 5 trillion, almost doubling the 5.5T he inherited
Is that a fair assessment? If we pick and prod we can find microcosms with which we can excuse him, I choose to look atthe whole picture and I think I have detailed it.Quote...but look at his replacement a little closer, and pay attention to the use of "trillions" and the term, "our grandchildren will pay for this".
Yea, he inherited an 11.5T debt, we're done with billions. We were talking billions with Reagan, he fixed that. As for grandchildren, we've been on that system since the country was founded, how is that new? The use of that term is become cliche and patently false since the debt will never be paid back.QuoteOne more thing, your guy has not been in office a year.
Yep, so give him a chance. So what do you think, shall we cut the military in half so we can relieve the debt?
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
Incredible that people would swallow another lie. A couple of months ago the emperor was holding secret meetings on immigration "reform" which no doubt included heathcare for illegals. Bush himself, left the White House sad that he could not grant amnesty. The President of the United States, whether a democrat or republician, can be a lying sack of shit if it benefits his agenda.QuoteQuote“There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”
Try very very hard to understand that statement, since it is clear that right now you do not.
Strawman much?
Try very hard to understand THIS statement: Link to the post where I have said that Obama's plan would cover illegal immigrants.
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
kallend 2,108
QuoteQuoteRevenues - US Dept. of the Treasury
Population - US Census Bureau
CPI - US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Thank you.QuotePercentages - Ask a friend if you can't handle them yourself.
I'm pretty sure I can - can YOU manage a post without trying to belittle someone who disagrees with you?
You asked. I answered.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteRevenues - US Dept. of the Treasury
Population - US Census Bureau
CPI - US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Thank you.QuotePercentages - Ask a friend if you can't handle them yourself.
I'm pretty sure I can - can YOU manage a post without trying to belittle someone who disagrees with you?
You asked. I answered.
So in other words, no, you can't.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
kallend 2,108
QuoteIncredible that people would swallow another lie.
It is, and it seems that you swallowed Wilson's too,
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A couple of months ago the emperor was holding secret meetings on immigration "reform" which no doubt included heathcare for illegals. .
If it was secret, then your "no doubt" is just another bunch of BS.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,108
People seem to ignore that it was Clinton that passed on the failure of Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae to the Bush administration.
Suggest you look up:
Gramm(R), Leach(R), and Bliley(R).
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It was the Bush administration that warned of their coming failure..
But did NOTHING about it despite having (R) control of the House and Senate.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Strawman much?
Try very hard to understand THIS statement: Link to the post where I have said that Obama's plan would cover illegal immigrants.
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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