Dem reaction to speech

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Democrat hypocrisy? Say it isn't so!!!

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The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Mike
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Democrat hypocrisy? Say it isn't so!!!

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The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Well, I think it would be really crappy of them to have a problem with the speeches content, which in this case it sounds like they didn't and it was more so about using 26K of NEA funds to make the taping. I think thats an awful lot of money for that too. I am not sure what Obama's shindig cost the NEA but if it's that much money then I have a problem with him doing it as well.

Attacking for use of funds is still attacking, but its VERY different than denouncing the president BEFORE he even speaks saying he is going to indoctrinate and brainwash all of America's children.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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Attacking for use of funds is still attacking, but its VERY different than denouncing the president BEFORE he even speaks saying he is going to indoctrinate and brainwash all of America's children.

Dept. of Education should have thought of that BEFORE they put "write letters to themselves about how they can help the President" as part of the lesson plan, then.

Mike
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[DanG 1]

Do we really need another thread regarding this lame-ass crap?

- Dan G

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Do we really need another thread regarding this lame-ass crap?

Absolutely - it's always good to show when the politicians play their "do as I say, not as I do" games.

You just think it's 'lame-ass crap' because the sentiment is against "your guy", politically speaking.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[DanG 1]

No, it's just lame because it's lame.

Drop it, "your side" is looking silly.

- Dan G

[wmw999 2,573]

It was lame then, and it's lame now.
So are we surprised that politicians engage in this kind of thing? Not really.

It's when the whole fucking country jumps on specially-constructed bandwagons that we should be appalled. And don't think that Rush, Glenn Beck, Keith Olbermann, and their ilk are anything different from bandwagon-builders.

Edit to add: all this cussing. I feel like the Fruitcake Lady. But it's just about that stupid.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[lawrocket 3]

Notice how everything is about "reaction?" Reactions are unconscious respenses. Reflexes. Muscle memory. Etc.

Most out there seek to get people's reactions. No their thoughts. Why, thoughts are no fun! We want reactions.

My thoughts? I read the speech on Monday evening. I found that I had no problem with it.

On reflection I had no problem with the President's speech. I had a problem with the lessons about helping the President. On reflection, this was more overzealous staffers bringing this about.

Another thought? Most people in the administration admitted that they went too far. And once the objections were made they changed it.

This was an administration being responsive to the People, doing the right thing, and in the end giving a speech I want my kids to see.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kbordson 8]

Thoughts.


First, I think that it's rather mature of you to say "yes, my initial reaction was... but my thoughts are now..."

My initial reaction wasn't as much about the content of the speech nor really about the cost of the speech.

Rather, I didn't think it appropriate for an elected government official to be giving "required" speeches to children. Whether they are democrat or republican, whether they are the President or a city Mayor. School should teach about government and politics... but probalby not until middle school. AND... I really don't think that parents should push children to become a "Young Republican" or a "Good Democrat." I think that once the child has both sides and an appropriate understanding of the topics, then he/she should be allowed to decide on where their beliefs lie.

I was once brought along on a union strike line.... I was rather young, maybe 6 or so. I remember that it was raining, lots of people yelling. It made good pictures for the emotional story.... but it wasn't really the right thing to do for a child.

Again though... since I don't have any children of my own, this is all an intellectual point for me. Not an emotional one.

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I think that once the child has both sides and an appropriate understanding of the topics, then he/she should be allowed to decide on where their beliefs lie.

.......... since I don't have any children of my own, this is all an intellectual point for me. Not an emotional one.

it's perfectly fine and expected that parents teach their kids right and wrong and opinions - parents are the "only" ones with the right to "indoctrinate" their kids - no matter how much we might disagree with certain parents. But the term 'indoctrinate' doesn't apply here - 'indoctrinate' is when those that try to influence the kids are inappropriate for that role (i.e., anyone other than the parents or those the parents approve)

once the kids get old enough, then we open them up to making their own opinions on things - some can start early, some can start as late as the age of majority - it's up to the parents as to when

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No, it's just lame because it's lame.

Drop it, "your side" is looking silly.

Any YOUR side is BEING a hypocrit




Now YOU drop it

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[kelpdiver 2]

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School should teach about government and politics... but probalby not until middle school.

so the cure to uneducated Americans is to teach them even less? Great.

[kbordson 8]

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School should teach about government and politics... but probalby not until middle school.

so the cure to uneducated Americans is to teach them even less? Great.

Do you really think that 6 year olds can understand or SHOULD be taught about politics?

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Do you really think that 6 year olds can understand or SHOULD be taught about politics?

Yes, imo, 6 year olds can start to learn civics.

When I was in 1st grade, i.e., 6 years old, we had a mock presidential election. Pres Reagan won both irl and in my grade school. We were taught the concepts of an election and the basics for the US Presidential election.

/Marg

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[Channman 2]

> Attacking for use of funds is still attacking, but its VERY different than denouncing the president BEFORE he even speaks saying he is going to indoctrinate and brainwash all of America's children.


Obama pitches Health Care at Wakefield High School
By Kyle Prast
Sept. 9, 2009 11:00 a.m.

Today I learned* that prior to the president's very conservative national broadcast address to America's school children, he met with 40 freshmen at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. (Same school he made his broadcast address from)

Let's just say I don't think that meeting made the national news, but CNS reported it: Obama Pitched Universal Health Care to Students in Meeting Prior to His Speech on Education. It was a face to face Q&A session with innocuous questions like how has your life changed, how would your life be different if you father were involved, who would you like to have dinner with, and what were your main goals when you were in college, etc. The session was filmed, but not broadcast as far as I know.

Transcript It seemed Obama could not resist steering the question, "How [do] you motivate yourself to do all the work that goes along with your job?", toward discussing his health care reforms. He replied, "... I'm just going to be honest with you -- some of it is just you don't want to fail. Right? A lot of people are counting on me," and went on to talk about the 40,000 letters he receives a day on all different subjects. He reads 10 a day -- some inspiring, some depressing.

He elaborated on both. The inspiring being about someone who was the first to go to college. The depressing, "You hear about people who are sick but don't have health care, and suddenly they get a bill for $100,000, and there's no way they can pay for it, and they're about to lose their house."

"And you're just reminded that the country is full of really good people who sometimes are going through a hard time. They just need a break. They need a little bit of help. Maybe the way things are set up right now isn't always fair for people, and that motivates you, because you say, well, I can't make everything perfect, I can't prevent somebody from getting sick, but maybe I can make sure that they've got insurance so that when they do get sick, they're going to get some help."

Arne then announces, "Last question." Obama asks, "Who's got the mic? Well, he already had the mic, so we'll give two last questions. These two right here. Go ahead." The first was from a guy who wanted to be president and was just asking for advice.

The second question was more notable, which coincidentally was the very subject of Obama's joint session of Congress address the next day, not to mention a pretty precocious question for a freshman. No wonder Obama wanted to take that one. The newbie Freshman asked, "...currently 36 countries have universal health coverage, including Iraq and Afghanistan, which have it paid for by the United States. Why can't the United States have universal health coverage?"

Obama gives his standard pep-talk concluding his health care discussion with his usual vague generalities of how this will work despite the actual language of the bill. "So what we're trying to do is set up a system where people who have health insurance on the job, they can keep it, but if you don't have health insurance for the job, if you're self-employed, if you're unemployed, that you're able to get health insurance through another way. And we can afford to do it and it will actually, I think, over time save us money if we set that up. All right?" (No mention of how paying for all this will rest upon this freshman class' generation and all to come, or how nations like the UK have severe health care rationing.)
So that was the under-reported face-to-face discussion with the president, that just happened to include a specific question from that odd subject list included in the email to the nation's principals.

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

Obama gives the finger to the people; more at 7

This was exactly what his opponents were looking for. It certainly makes his speach to be less innocent than his proponents were trying to make out.

You keep surprising me President Obama.

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

Obama gives the finger to the people; more at 7

This was exactly what his opponents were looking for. It certainly makes his speach to be less innocent than his proponents were trying to make out.

You keep surprising me President Obama.

And i bet he would have done the same thing to all the students if people didn't speek up! If you cant get all of the adults to conform, then go for the youth

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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Credit goes to Chanmann for finding the article. Since he didn't link it, I decided to confirm it's existance myself because it really does wreak of satire. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

[wmw999 2,573]

I haven't been able to find any other references to a pre-speech. Not that I'm denying it happened, but two sources is better than one. I'm surprised that there weren't a whole lot more articles about it, so that's why the single source only got me wondering.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[downwardspiral 0]

I'm guessing it was written by a highschool newspaper reporter which could explain the delay with other news media outlets to take on the story.

www.FourWheelerHB.com

[kallend 2,131]

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

Obama gives the finger to the people; more at 7

This was exactly what his opponents were looking for. It certainly makes his speach to be less innocent than his proponents were trying to make out.

You keep surprising me President Obama.

cnsnews - there's a balanced source - NOT.

You only have to look at their opinion pieces to see the right wing bias: cnsnews.com/commentaries

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[Channman 2]

I found out about the pre speech listening to all things, "Local Talk Radio". I will link to article but you can call the school which has been contacted by 950 KPRC Houston to confirm the speach did occur.

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

Obama gives the finger to the people; more at 7

This was exactly what his opponents were looking for. It certainly makes his speach to be less innocent than his proponents were trying to make out.

You keep surprising me President Obama.

cnsnews - there's a balanced source - NOT.

You only have to look at their opinion pieces to see the right wing bias: cnsnews.com/commentaries

So they fabricated the story?

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

Obama gives the finger to the people; more at 7

This was exactly what his opponents were looking for. It certainly makes his speach to be less innocent than his proponents were trying to make out.

You keep surprising me President Obama.

cnsnews - there's a balanced source - NOT.

You only have to look at their opinion pieces to see the right wing bias: cnsnews.com/commentaries

So they fabricated the story?

I think they fabricated their spin.

Would you trust an article on GWB if the Huffington Post was the only source?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Channman 2]

http://www.brookfieldnow.com/blogs/communityblogs/58085647.html

The Pre Speech to the students was given to a select group of students and was held in the school libary as reported by MSNBC which never mentioned or intended to imform the public of the actual intent of the meeting.

Not to mention a young freshmen was hand feed a question by the school to ask a question the President was assured he would recieve as if it came honestly from the student's own mouth.

The State Run Media, as they appear to be is working closly with the White House to shove a product down the throats of American's who have made it very clear they don't want it.