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kbordson 8
QuoteSo - do you have anything to add to the discussion?
Yes, I've given several comments in one of the (what is it.... now three) other threads on the same topic.
This thread was just added on to further distract from the real topic.
billvon 3,111
>This thread was just added on to further distract from the real topic.
What is "the real topic" that you refuse to discuss here?
What is "the real topic" that you refuse to discuss here?
kbordson 8
Quote>This thread was just added on to further distract from the real topic.
What is "the real topic" that you refuse to discuss here?
My opinion on "the real topic" is whether government officials should be giving speeches to children.
Not about how the United States is falling apart or how the democrats react or how the GOP reacts, because this isn't something that will tear the US apart, nor is this really a problem with one party or the other. I believe that it wasn't right in 1991 and it's not right now.
billvon 3,111
>My opinion on "the real topic" is whether government officials should
>be giving speeches to children.
OK, cool. Since this thread wasn't about that, I was a bit confused.
To get to your topic - do you think children should recite government pledges? How about have a government flag displayed prominently in the classroom or on school grounds? Should they follow a government-approved curriculum? Do you see a difference between government officials who address students (like, say, the President compared to the local chief of police?)
>be giving speeches to children.
OK, cool. Since this thread wasn't about that, I was a bit confused.
To get to your topic - do you think children should recite government pledges? How about have a government flag displayed prominently in the classroom or on school grounds? Should they follow a government-approved curriculum? Do you see a difference between government officials who address students (like, say, the President compared to the local chief of police?)
kbordson 8
Quote>My opinion on "the real topic" is whether government officials should
>be giving speeches to children.
OK, cool. Since this thread wasn't about that, I was a bit confused.
To get to your topic - do you think children should recite government pledges?
My opinion - no. Especially considering there are children of multiple countries/nationalities, such as exchange students or even "illegal" children (NOTE: I don't consider children to be "illegal" at all. They are not responsible for their parents decisions and I feel that regardless of nationality, they still should be able to get an education... but I do hope that their parents, in time, would become American citizens and contribute to the tax base.)
QuoteHow about have a government flag displayed prominently in the classroom or on school grounds?
This is ok. It is a "government" facility, like the post office or the court house. If the government wants a flag, that's fine.
QuoteShould they follow a government-approved curriculum?
They do. But, the parents should be involved in that educations and I think that if the parent doesn't agree with a topic, that they should talk with lil susie or lil johnie and be allowed to pull them from "controversial" topics and that they should be allowed to home school as well.
QuoteDo you see a difference between government officials who address students (like, say, the President compared to the local chief of police?)
I don't think that elected government officials should be making addresses to children. Is there a difference between the President v. the Chief of Police? Of course there is a difference. But neither should be in front of the children.
I honestly even have a hard time accepting Police Departments that send K-9 units to visit schools - whether to talk with classes or to have the dogs sniff out lockers. Even though I know it's a "good thing." I still don't think that is the proper use of that position.
-lots of thoughts and opinions for someone without a lil one....
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billvon 3,111
>This is ok. It is a "government" facility, like the post office or the
>court house. If the government wants a flag, that's fine.
Agreed there. It is a governmentally funded facility, like a courthouse.
>They do. But, the parents should be involved in that educations and I
>think that if the parent doesn't agree with a topic, that they should talk
>with lil susie or lil johnie and be allowed to pull them from "controversial"
>topics and that they should be allowed to home school as well.
Agreed, as long as those objections are real and not used to avoid any education whatsoever (i.e. "I am offended by books" or something.) Home schooling/private schooling should be an option as well.
>I don't think that elected government officials should be
>making addresses to children.
I disagree there, no matter what their method of entry into government.
I think it would be great if John Glenn gave a talk on space exploration at a local school, or if Jimmy Carter talked to kids about the Middle East peace process. I think it's important to have kids talk to real people on occasion who live this stuff. Students nowadays read about the space race and the moon landings as boring, dry history in dusty textbooks, something they have no real connection to. Talking to someone who has lived through that - and who tells them they can do it too, if they want - can be invaluable. It makes it real to them (which, of course it was.)
IMO, of course.
>court house. If the government wants a flag, that's fine.
Agreed there. It is a governmentally funded facility, like a courthouse.
>They do. But, the parents should be involved in that educations and I
>think that if the parent doesn't agree with a topic, that they should talk
>with lil susie or lil johnie and be allowed to pull them from "controversial"
>topics and that they should be allowed to home school as well.
Agreed, as long as those objections are real and not used to avoid any education whatsoever (i.e. "I am offended by books" or something.) Home schooling/private schooling should be an option as well.
>I don't think that elected government officials should be
>making addresses to children.
I disagree there, no matter what their method of entry into government.
I think it would be great if John Glenn gave a talk on space exploration at a local school, or if Jimmy Carter talked to kids about the Middle East peace process. I think it's important to have kids talk to real people on occasion who live this stuff. Students nowadays read about the space race and the moon landings as boring, dry history in dusty textbooks, something they have no real connection to. Talking to someone who has lived through that - and who tells them they can do it too, if they want - can be invaluable. It makes it real to them (which, of course it was.)
IMO, of course.
Lucky... 0
Quote>This is ok. It is a "government" facility, like the post office or the
>court house. If the government wants a flag, that's fine.
Agreed there. It is a governmentally funded facility, like a courthouse.
>They do. But, the parents should be involved in that educations and I
>think that if the parent doesn't agree with a topic, that they should talk
>with lil susie or lil johnie and be allowed to pull them from "controversial"
>topics and that they should be allowed to home school as well.
Agreed, as long as those objections are real and not used to avoid any education whatsoever (i.e. "I am offended by books" or something.) Home schooling/private schooling should be an option as well.
>I don't think that elected government officials should be
>making addresses to children.
I disagree there, no matter what their method of entry into government.
I think it would be great if John Glenn gave a talk on space exploration at a local school, or if Jimmy Carter talked to kids about the Middle East peace process. I think it's important to have kids talk to real people on occasion who live this stuff. Students nowadays read about the space race and the moon landings as boring, dry history in dusty textbooks, something they have no real connection to. Talking to someone who has lived through that - and who tells them they can do it too, if they want - can be invaluable. It makes it real to them (which, of course it was.)
IMO, of course.
You forgot about GWB teaching kids how to speak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLres-ZDcg
Where were the Republicans then? Where was the unrest? Hide your kids, everyone.
Quote>if we had a president that could be trusted.
He is no more or less trustworthy than previous presidents.
Yeah, but that doesn't sound as good on a poster.
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QuoteRegardless of political association this thread nor others of similar content would not even exist if we had a president that could be trusted.
When did you EVER?
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
>of discrediting and not to discuss or debate.
Right - which is precisely what you did.
So - do you have anything to add to the discussion?
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